Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel
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futurshox
Registered: Feb 15, 2008
Total Posts: 2775
Country: United States

JayDavis wrote:
I don't think I will ever get tired of that feeling.



It is a most excellent feeling ;-) Nice one!



Wrei
Registered: Aug 01, 2008
Total Posts: 2939
Country: United States

Go4Long wrote:
Here's the thing with the F-35 in my opinion. Every new fighter has had it's supporters and it's haters. F-4 pilots hated the F-16 at one point too, and look at where it sits now.



Most F-4 guys didn't like it because it had a fixed stick on the console that used pressure, not movement to fly the jet. Many older pilots would over G the aircraft because they tried to move the stick, thus, too much pressure. The other reason, two engines. In a dogfight, an extra engine is always nice. Plus...well...the F-4 is just awesomeness!



stevezzzz
Registered: Aug 01, 2010
Total Posts: 4082
Country: United States

johnahill wrote:
I'm still getting through my images from Duxford legends.
Spitfire Mk xiv


I know the engineers must have had their reasons, but it's always jarring to see a clipped-wing Spit. How could you mess with the perfection of that beautiful, elliptical wing?



Go4Long
Registered: Sep 04, 2005
Total Posts: 2012
Country: Canada

Wrei wrote:
Go4Long wrote:
Here's the thing with the F-35 in my opinion. Every new fighter has had it's supporters and it's haters. F-4 pilots hated the F-16 at one point too, and look at where it sits now.



Most F-4 guys didn't like it because it had a fixed stick on the console that used pressure, not movement to fly the jet. Many older pilots would over G the aircraft because they tried to move the stick, thus, too much pressure. The other reason, two engines. In a dogfight, an extra engine is always nice. Plus...well...the F-4 is just awesomeness!


That's my point though. People needed to learn how to fly it the way it was meant to be flown, if you try to fly it like an F-4, it doesn't do that. Same thing with the F-35...most people are stepping in to them from F-16s, and if you try to fly it like an F-16...it doesn't do that. The F-16 does things that no other fighter can do, the F-35 does things that no other fighter can do...to expect it to do the same different things that an F-16 does is pretty much the same as expecting an F-16 to suddenly do all of the things an F-35 can do, neither one is a reasonable expectation.

It's still a few months from its IOC. Give it a few years and who knows where it'll be. Maybe people will still hate it...maybe they'll love it. Let's get some people with REAL seat time in the jet and then let them say if they like it or hate it, since most of the critics are still arm chair warrioring a jet that they've only seen in pictures or from across the apron.



Wrei
Registered: Aug 01, 2008
Total Posts: 2939
Country: United States

We are not in disagreement.



Tim Adams
Registered: Jan 01, 2004
Total Posts: 2887
Country: United States

F-100 go around from Friday.



johnahill
Registered: Jan 08, 2006
Total Posts: 3389
Country: United Kingdom

stevez wrote:
johnahill wrote:
I'm still getting through my images from Duxford legends.
Spitfire Mk xiv


I know the engineers must have had their reasons, but it's always jarring to see a clipped-wing Spit. How could you mess with the perfection of that beautiful, elliptical wing?


Yeah but its got a cool 5 bladed prop



Bill Gass
Registered: Feb 09, 2006
Total Posts: 4118
Country: United States

On sale in the used dept today, only $180,000.00 OMG !

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/801201815-USE/canon_2527a001_super_telephoto_1200mm_f_5_6l.html

Canon Super Telephoto 1200mm f/5.6L EF USM Autofocus Lens



Zane Adams
Registered: Oct 26, 2011
Total Posts: 371
Country: United States

More from AirVenture...this is going to take a while ...

T-6 Parade


Prowling at Night


Panchito


and...That "Ugly" airplane



JWilsonphoto
Registered: Jan 16, 2002
Total Posts: 19260
Country: United States

I love my "job".................



FlyingPhotog
Registered: May 09, 2008
Total Posts: 4775
Country: United States

The "Stars" Of AirVenture 2015:

QF-4E Phantom II


F-100F Super Sabre



FlyingPhotog
Registered: May 09, 2008
Total Posts: 4775
Country: United States

Old Gunfighters Never Die...



MMcGrath
Registered: Apr 15, 2006
Total Posts: 2649
Country: United Kingdom

Great set of Oshkosh stuff guys.



nrferguson
Registered: Apr 20, 2004
Total Posts: 2448
Country: United Kingdom

FAA regulations are obviously not so tight in Budapest!!!

https://www.youtube.com/embed/0px9HFIVYjY?feature=player_embedded

Niall



stevezzzz
Registered: Aug 01, 2010
Total Posts: 4082
Country: United States

Hand...Salute!

The mighty Fairey Swordfish passes in review, at RNAS Yeovilton International Air Day.



Wrei
Registered: Aug 01, 2008
Total Posts: 2939
Country: United States

After all the news about the F-16 killing the F-35 in a dogfight, I had to do a little research. I know the DoD and Lockheed wouldn't spend $35 million on a dog. Here is what LM says about air to air:

"The F-35ís integrated sensors, information and weapons systems give pilots an advantage over potential threat front-line fighter aircraft. Compared to 5th Generation fighters like the F-35 and F-22, legacy aircraft have a larger radar cross-section (RCS), which means they can be more easily detected by enemy radar. In aerial combat, legacy aircraft have relatively equal opportunities to detect and engage one another, while a 5th Generation fighter pilot can see enemy aircraft first and take decisive, lethal action from a stand-off distance. The ability to see and not be seen is redefining previous generation air-to-air tactics."

Again, much like how the F-4 was not given a gun because it was designed to kill bombers...yeah, DoD thought the threat of bombers was the future of air to air defense...it appears the F-35 is designed to kill the enemy using it's stealth and electronics advantage. Here we go, the DoD isn't expecting line of sight dogfights for the F-35...go figure. Guess they will be backed up with F-22s.

I haven't posted a photo in a while, so here's an oldie of what some first thought was a Weird Bird:







(Anyone else used the "Dehaze" slider in LR?)


Go4Long
Registered: Sep 04, 2005
Total Posts: 2012
Country: Canada

The DOD has maintained all along that the F-35 is meant to work WITH the F-22, not replace it.

It's a simulation but here's some interesting scenarios

http://aerosociety.com/News/Insight-Blog/3272/Does-the-F35-really-suck-in-air-combat#.VaBahxSM1mU.facebook



FlyingPhotog
Registered: May 09, 2008
Total Posts: 4775
Country: United States

Attila...



FlyingPhotog
Registered: May 09, 2008
Total Posts: 4775
Country: United States

My initial air to air hop for EAA...

L-19


Velocity


1944 PT-26 Cornell



Jan-Arie
Registered: Dec 24, 2005
Total Posts: 4093
Country: Netherlands

Absolute top notch set of shots Jay super crispy... I hope they ask you to come back next year..



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