Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel
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Rodolfo Paiz
Registered: Jan 07, 2007
Total Posts: 9906
Country: United States

Jeff W. wrote:
No matter how I try, I've yet to find an angle on the F-35 that I think makes it look like a seriously sexy super sonic fighter. To me, is just screams "weird". I suppose this is just further testament to my shortcomings behind the camera.


No, just your aesthetic biases from years of seeing different aircraft. Nothing wrong with that.

By the way, that's a beautiful image, with smooth and silky tones. And it's actually one of the neatest, most flattering images I've seen of the F-35. Regardless of your opinion of the aircraft, that's a job well done.



Jeff W.
Registered: Feb 09, 2008
Total Posts: 2444
Country: United States

Rodolfo Paiz wrote:
Jeff W. wrote:
No matter how I try, I've yet to find an angle on the F-35 that I think makes it look like a seriously sexy super sonic fighter. To me, is just screams "weird". I suppose this is just further testament to my shortcomings behind the camera.


No, just your aesthetic biases from years of seeing different aircraft. Nothing wrong with that.

By the way, that's a beautiful image, with smooth and silky tones. And it's actually one of the neatest, most flattering images I've seen of the F-35. Regardless of your opinion of the aircraft, that's a job well done.


You're too kind Rodolfo, thank you. If I had been photographing in more typical Arizona blue skies and puffy white clouds, the 35 may have looked better.

When I have some texture or variation in a storm cloud layer, I can usually pull some detail from the background - like I did with the F-35. Especially if the clouds are a mix of dark (primarily) with splotches of white. However, in some cases the cloud layer was solid with little if any texture or contrast. That has been a real challenge for me with several images from this particular day. What little creativity I have in my brainpan was quickly exhausted trying different techniques to mine even a smidgen of texture and contrast from a nearly solid grey/white background. It was very frustrating that the Prowler and background cloud wall was nearly the same color/hue. Any efforts I made to separate the two was not effective. After many failed attempts, I finally embraced the wall of grey/white and tried to create a stormy mood. I'm not sure how well I like this particular effort, but it is much better (IMO) than the RAW file. I'm hoping that our British contingent can offer some helpful and much needed advise. Just to give you some context, this Prowler is less than 100' over the end of RWY 21L and I haven't cloned anything out of this image.



JWilsonphoto
Registered: Jan 16, 2002
Total Posts: 19249
Country: United States

I know what you mean Zane, there are numerous vantage points around the perimeter roads. Post 9/11 it doesn't take too long for DFW's finest to come along and usher you to Pioneer Plaza.

Zane Adams wrote:
Thank you Jim,

The spot is for limitd use only...I don't hang out there for long, but I've never been ran off from there either. Just not an 'official' spot at DFW.


Map>>> http://goo.gl/maps/TlA1L


There tends to be some heat problems with shooting from there...but it lends it's self to some drama...for airliners that is...lol





Jeff W.
Registered: Feb 09, 2008
Total Posts: 2444
Country: United States

Now this is what I'm talking about when it comes to the sleek lines I associate with a super sonic fighter. I know the F-5 is old by today's comparisons, but it still looks good and nasty in my book. Especially in aggressor colors

This is "Sniper 00" going for the midfield break at MCAS Yuma.



nickjohnson
Registered: Sep 15, 2009
Total Posts: 983
Country: United Kingdom

Jeff W. wrote:
Rodolfo Paiz wrote:
Jeff W. wrote:
No matter how I try, I've yet to find an angle on the F-35 that I think makes it look like a seriously sexy super sonic fighter. To me, is just screams "weird". I suppose this is just further testament to my shortcomings behind the camera.


No, just your aesthetic biases from years of seeing different aircraft. Nothing wrong with that.

By the way, that's a beautiful image, with smooth and silky tones. And it's actually one of the neatest, most flattering images I've seen of the F-35. Regardless of your opinion of the aircraft, that's a job well done.


You're too kind Rodolfo, thank you. If I had been photographing in more typical Arizona blue skies and puffy white clouds, the 35 may have looked better.

When I have some texture or variation in a storm cloud layer, I can usually pull some detail from the background - like I did with the F-35. Especially if the clouds are a mix of dark (primarily) with splotches of white. However, in some cases the cloud layer was solid with little if any texture or contrast. That has been a real challenge for me with several images from this particular day. What little creativity I have in my brainpan was quickly exhausted trying different techniques to mine even a smidgen of texture and contrast from a nearly solid grey/white background. It was very frustrating that the Prowler and background cloud wall was nearly the same color/hue. Any efforts I made to separate the two was not effective. After many failed attempts, I finally embraced the wall of grey/white and tried to create a stormy mood. I'm not sure how well I like this particular effort, but it is much better (IMO) than the RAW file. I'm hoping that our British contingent can offer some helpful and much needed advise. Just to give you some context, this Prowler is less than 100' over the end of RWY 21L and I haven't cloned anything out of this image.


Dear Jeff, I hear you and feel your pain. All the modern “in service” jets I've encountered have the special, low viability, grey (ish) paint jobs. Said paint job is very effective – grey day = grey 'plane - purple blue dark stormy sky = same for 'plane. So white balance is a nightmare. Green fields and blue sky? Take your pick – one right the other not so much, or compromise between the two and it looks ….. “alternative”. No matter – as you point out – grey clag is the real downer. Getting any visual contrast I find very difficult. I usually end up with halos around the aircraft. I don't know if masking is the answer – I need to learn how to do that properly - to find out.

So I have no answer for you – but your kind enquiry deserves an answer. Accordingly, give me some time, and I will post a result – good, bad, or indifferent. In the meantime, could you post a raw version of your Prowler image?



Jeff W.
Registered: Feb 09, 2008
Total Posts: 2444
Country: United States

nickjohnson wrote:
Dear Jeff, I hear you and feel your pain. All the modern “in service” jets I've encountered have the special, low viability, grey (ish) paint jobs. Said paint job is very effective – grey day = grey 'plane - purple blue dark stormy sky = same for 'plane. So white balance is a nightmare. Green fields and blue sky? Take your pick – one right the other not so much, or compromise between the two and it looks ….. “alternative”. No matter – as you point out – grey clag is the real downer. Getting any visual contrast I find very difficult. I usually end up with halos around the aircraft. I don't know if masking is the answer – I need to learn how to do that properly - to find out.

So I have no answer for you – but your kind enquiry deserves an answer. Accordingly, give me some time, and I will post a result – good, bad, or indifferent. In the meantime, could you post a raw version of your Prowler image?


Hey Nick - Any help, advise or counsel you could offer would be appreciated.



JWilsonphoto
Registered: Jan 16, 2002
Total Posts: 19249
Country: United States

One of my very good clients just acquired several F5's in flying condition. We're planning some cool air to air sessions with them.



Jeff W.
Registered: Feb 09, 2008
Total Posts: 2444
Country: United States

JWilsonphoto wrote:
One of my very good clients just acquired several F5's in flying condition. We're planning some cool air to air sessions with them.


If you need an elderly lens bearer for this assignment, let me know



FlyingPhotog
Registered: May 09, 2008
Total Posts: 4775
Country: United States

The Marine CH-53
Maybe not subtle, but highly effective...



nickjohnson
Registered: Sep 15, 2009
Total Posts: 983
Country: United Kingdom

Here you go Jeff. This is bad even by my standards. Grey day, grey (ish) plane, oh, and two stops under exposed – just for good messure.



So this is the after – as in after DXO, Lightroom, CS6, SEP2, kitchen sink + taps.



Well yes it's full of noise – it's a Harrier.

…. and on firmer ground.



kdrk888
Registered: Feb 22, 2010
Total Posts: 1469
Country: United States

Jeff W. wrote:
No matter how I try, I've yet to find an angle on the F-35 that I think makes it look like a seriously sexy super sonic fighter. To me, is just screams "weird". I suppose this is just further testament to my shortcomings behind the camera.


On the other hand, the F-22 is sexy from every angle.. But I would still like to see an F-35 in flight. I don't think they have shown them on the east coast.

Douglas



Glenn Watson
Registered: Nov 13, 2007
Total Posts: 3829
Country: United States

You got that right Douglas!



Glenn



kdrk888
Registered: Feb 22, 2010
Total Posts: 1469
Country: United States

Glenn, I envy you guys who have opportunities to shot air to air!

BTW, I think I have read somewhere folks said the F-35 looks like a female guppy .

Regards,

Douglas



stevezzzz
Registered: Aug 01, 2010
Total Posts: 4082
Country: United States

nickjohnson wrote:

Well yes it's full of noise – it's a Harrier.


Oh, ha!



Jan-Arie
Registered: Dec 24, 2005
Total Posts: 4092
Country: Netherlands

Man Jeff that F5 is Tack sharp amazing..
Sorry no Photo it's in the middle of the night i'm off to bed



Razor17
Registered: Oct 08, 2012
Total Posts: 465
Country: United States

Zane Adams wrote:
Thank you Jim,

The spot is for limitd use only...I don't hang out there for long, but I've never been ran off from there either. Just not an 'official' spot at DFW.


Map>>> http://goo.gl/maps/TlA1L


There tends to be some heat problems with shooting from there...but it lends it's self to some drama...for airliners that is...lol



Sweet spot to shoot from Zane, but watch out of a unmarked Tahoe, if you are marked, several will arrive. People try to shoot on the fence in front of CAE and get nailed every time...



FlyingPhotog
Registered: May 09, 2008
Total Posts: 4775
Country: United States

UH-1Y Venom from HMLA-269 "Gunrunners" at WTI 1-15
Pretty sure the pilot is singing "Kill The Wabbit, Kill The Wabbit..."



FlyingPhotog
Registered: May 09, 2008
Total Posts: 4775
Country: United States

Giant Grey Cuisinart...



FlyingPhotog
Registered: May 09, 2008
Total Posts: 4775
Country: United States

Respect My Authoritay!
Marine providing perimeter security for the helo exercise in Yuma.



FlyingPhotog
Registered: May 09, 2008
Total Posts: 4775
Country: United States

"Double Nuts" bird from VMA-223 "Bulldogs" on short final into MCAS Yuma during WTI 1-15



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