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Wrei
Registered: Aug 01, 2008
Total Posts: 2913
Country: United States

Laura, if it is DOF, why is all the ground plane out of focus?

In other news, a second day of heavy showers here in Central Texas. We sure welcome the rain.


Storm clouds gathering...








NightOwl Cat
Registered: Feb 19, 2007
Total Posts: 8899
Country: United States

Thanks Al, Steve, and Wrei, I plan on showing him this on Thursday, and then printing out the film shots I planned on doing. Today was pretty much an exercise in frustration in the darkroom.



ELinder
Registered: Feb 14, 2010
Total Posts: 972
Country: United States

Laura, tell the instructor to look at the blur. It's obviously greater horizontally than vertically, hence there was lateral movement..

Erich



NightOwl Cat
Registered: Feb 19, 2007
Total Posts: 8899
Country: United States

Thanks Erich, I did try, I pointed out the Oracle flag/banner and it still didn't cut it with him. (oo... need to clean that sensor again, thought I got it before the show!)



ELinder
Registered: Feb 14, 2010
Total Posts: 972
Country: United States

Sheesh, then make him explain to you why the base of the water tower looks so blurred while the top of the fence is a fairly solid line.

Erich



Glenn Watson
Registered: Nov 13, 2007
Total Posts: 3780
Country: United States

Hi Lynn:
I'm not positive but I think thats Lake Waxahachie.

Glenn



astrobrian
Registered: Sep 27, 2012
Total Posts: 827
Country: United States

Laura, that first shot contradicts his whole argument as the Oracle sign is close enough to the focal plane that it should be perfectly legible if going by his theory. The fence and ground as the others have said too, no idea where he gets DOF being what you see there. It is possible he is just trying to rattle you to come up with every single item in the shots to prove him otherwise as a way of tearing the shot down technically. Just a thought.



Glenn Watson
Registered: Nov 13, 2007
Total Posts: 3780
Country: United States

Hi Angry:
We plan to be at the Hampton on Friday night, and again at the Allen Marriott on Thursday night. Looking forward to hanging out dude!

Glenn



Glenn Watson
Registered: Nov 13, 2007
Total Posts: 3780
Country: United States

Colin Giersberg wrote:
astrobrian wrote:
Love the pastel nature of that last one Glenn.



This is my favorite of the set as well.



Hi Colin:

How are you man? Thanks (and others) - that was one of my favorites as well - had a real interesting feel to the sky and tried my best for a Beckman liquid metal feel!

Glenn



Glenn Watson
Registered: Nov 13, 2007
Total Posts: 3780
Country: United States

Hi Laura:

How long til the regular teacher comes back?

Glenn



JWilsonphoto
Registered: Jan 16, 2002
Total Posts: 18968
Country: United States

The phrase, "Those who can't teach......" while not always true, certainly comes to mind here Laura. He probably wants to beat you up a little because you can outshoot him. How about we all sign a letter of accreditation to proficiency you out of his course?

Shucks, I never took one of them photographic courses, think what I might have accomplished if I had..

I'm sure there are some good profs out there, but more often than not the stuff I've witnessed leads me to believe it's frustrated photographers lording it over "unworthy" subjects, in about the only scenario that they can exercise any authority or prowess.

Bottom line is, bite the bullet and give him what he wants, pass and go shoot circles around him, never look back.

Course this is advice from a guy who was told he had little to no chance of making a living in the competitive field of photography, so factor that in.



JWilsonphoto
Registered: Jan 16, 2002
Total Posts: 18968
Country: United States

Beautiful skyscape Wrei. I'm just about to turn in for a 5 am wake up call and there's one of those thunderbumpers moving right over 610 as we speak. Like you said, welcome for sure. How unusual is all of this in mid July? A high of 74 when we rolled in late yesterday, um that's about 30 degrees below normal. "Climate change", I'll take it.

24 VP's tomorrow and I'm spending the rest of the week at HQ, Photoshopping, and dreaming a bit.



NightOwl Cat
Registered: Feb 19, 2007
Total Posts: 8899
Country: United States

Thanks Jim, Glenn, and Brian. I knew that checking with the best of the best would ease my mind. The regular instructor will return next week; he had a prior obligation before being asked to teach this class over summer. Now to get that portfolio printed the best way to an A Nowadays, it's less about what you know, and more about the certifications you have, testing is such a profitable arena (Microsoft MCSE/MCP tracks, for instance)

(the class is the prerequisite to taking any other photo related classes at school, and I just might get that photography certificate as a backup)



NightOwl Cat
Registered: Feb 19, 2007
Total Posts: 8899
Country: United States

Liz, love "Bad Kitty" and the nose art so reminds me of the cartoon kitty going Pfft pfft with that stance Welcome!

ImperfectSense wrote:
Historic Flight Foundation's F7F Tigercat over the Southern Idaho Warbird Festival in Grangeville, ID.






'Bad Kitty' by Liz Matzelle


Tim Ashton
Registered: Dec 27, 2006
Total Posts: 3175
Country: Australia

Donald Gray wrote:
nickjohnson wrote:
Dear Sir Donald,

It's so nice to hear from you following your recent computer difficulties – tricky customers those on / off switches – and so cunningly disguised too, with words like “Power” and “On” - all very confusing.

Now you know very well that I did none of the bad behaviour detailed previously. Everyone knows that lady Grey is far too gracious to mention such things in a public place such as this. Might I suggest a little more study of your “Creative Writing For The Older Gentleman” course material might be in order?

Regarding “.....make the vehicle secure against rouges and vagabonds”, I should point out that doing so would have made it impossible for you to drive your own car.

Regards,

Slow Nick.

(Former Butler to the nobility and gentry. Oh, and single day “minder” to Sir Donald Grey)



Mr Johnson are you inferring that I was telling some untruths and masquerading as Lady Diana? Shame on you sir. I would never step so low as to render my honour and reputation in tatters.

Firstly, my recent computer difficulties was caused by a miscreant rodent that decided to up and die in a most undignified manner, leaving my computer incapacitated until after its funeral and subsequent reincarnation.

With regards to the events of Friday evening that Lady Diana so eloquently and succinctly described, she did refrain from mentioning several of the other alarming and strange events of that evening; We are still perplexed as to how did the statuette of the Goddess Venus have its head exchanged with the garden gnome? And how come the initials ‘NJ’ were deeply scratched on her left buttock? (I refer to the statuette's left buttock, not Lady Diana's)

Can you shed any light on how my zimmer (walker frame) became lodged high up the English Oak tree that you seemed to take a fancy to?

It took ages to untie the ‘I love the Rolling Stones’ banner from the TV antenna especially as we didn’t have a tv antenna in the first place.

Lady Diana has asked me to pass on to Mrs J her deepest sympathies and to say that she fully understands.

Respectfully yours
Sir Donald

To all: Lady Diana & I would like it to be known by all and sundry of the immediate vacancy of Under-Butler with the prospects of being elevated to that of a ‘gentleman’s gentleman’ and companion. The prospective candidate must be of exemplary character, able to look after a gentleman of repute. Be of sober habits. And above all, have a sense of humour.



Sir Donald,
Do you accept applications for the position from house trained antipodeans?
If so, I would appreciate if you could forward the terms of engagement
Respectfully yours
Tim Ashton



nickjohnson
Registered: Sep 15, 2009
Total Posts: 972
Country: United Kingdom

JWilsonphoto wrote:
Does anyone know where this Spit is based. We have a partner whose Dad flew it in WWII and we want to find it, and or find one and restore it in his Dad's scheme. I know the brain trust can find it. It's in the UK I believe.........



…... well, since this is a serious enquiry, and at the risk of causing unrest in the family, I have to say “not so fast”.

The aeroplane in your picture has a “blunt” fin (vertical stab), the BBMF bird has the “pointy” fin. Also your picture shows – I think – an aeroplane with clipped wing tips.

Soooo we need more info. Basically folks can paint up their warbird anyway they choose – so the numbers and letters may mean little. For example if the gent in question served with the Eighth Air Force Eagle Squadron there is some evidence of them flying clipped wing MKV aircraft. On the other hand if we look at your photo and take a punt at MJ852 it was a Mark IXB of the Royal Canadian Air Force, I say “was” because apparently Sqn Ldr Everard baled out of it on Christmas Day 1944 over Venlo Netherlands. See what I mean?

We now return you to your scheduled programming.



….. sorry, got to go now – the Butlers Bell just rang. It's Lady Grey needing assistance with Sir Donald's medication.



futurshox
Registered: Feb 15, 2008
Total Posts: 2751
Country: United States

Well that, and I suspect you might have a tough job prising a shiny Spitfire like that away from the BBMF...!



ImperfectSense
Registered: Apr 05, 2010
Total Posts: 10
Country: United States

Hahaha, I know just what you mean! We had a bird strike on the wing once, put a big dent in it, and we tried to talk the owner into letting us put a bird kill marking on the airplane... Our preferred idea was to paint a little feather in the kitten's mouth. Unfortunately that idea "didn't fly"



ImperfectSense
Registered: Apr 05, 2010
Total Posts: 10
Country: United States

It is actually quite a simple matter to convert a Spitfire between pointy/rounded rudder and elliptical/clipped wingtips, from a mechanical point of view. The wingtips are simply bolt-on accessories, choose your poison, and for the tail you just hang a different rudder. The markings on these airplanes can certainly change a lot, but the one thing that shouldn't change is the manufacturer's serial number. In the case of the Historic Flight Spit that's SL633, in this case it's MK356. I'm not saying it never happens, but generally since this is the link to the aircraft's true history, it is left alone.

Here is a photo of this aircraft from 1986 when it was on static display only, elliptical wings and a rounded rudder: http://www.airliners.net/photo/UK---Air/Supermarine-361-Spitfire/0372931/&sid=4322ff73e3303f0ab446c877c0aa020f

In 2003 with the BBMF the aircraft is flying again, still has the rounded tail but has acquired clipped wings: http://www.airliners.net/photo/UK---Air/Supermarine-361-Spitfire/0418329/&sid=4322ff73e3303f0ab446c877c0aa020f

By the 2004 show season they had added a pointy rudder: http://www.airliners.net/photo/UK---Air/Supermarine-361-Spitfire/0568153/&sid=4322ff73e3303f0ab446c877c0aa020f

The repaint occurred during 2007, at which time they bolted on elliptical wingtips again:
http://www.airliners.net/photo/UK---Air/Supermarine-361-Spitfire/1730055/&sid=4322ff73e3303f0ab446c877c0aa020f

The BBMF page specifically states that this aircraft served with the RCAF during the war and lists the history of the airframe. The final paragraph explains that she is now painted as a different Spitfire entirely, MJ250, which led a very different life: http://www.raf.mod.uk/bbmf/theaircraft/spitfiremk356.cfm

Sorry about the long reply, Spits and their history have become a hobby of mine. I've been busy tracking down the history of SL633 and fleshing out details for months. Does anyone here speak Czech? Or better yet, live in the Union of Myanmar?



nickjohnson
Registered: Sep 15, 2009
Total Posts: 972
Country: United Kingdom

Liz …. not long at all. Actually a very good illustration of the point I was trying to make. Sorry about my error – yes it's the rudder that is pointy or not. However, one might find that the rudders are not quite as interchangeable as one might be led to believe – it's my understanding that the fins also changed size as development progressed.

So what do you think the a/c is in Jim's photo? Is it the BBMF bird in 2003 guise? I'm not totally convinced – the Letter after the M is unclear – is it really a K?

… ah well





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