Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel
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JWilsonphoto
Registered: Jan 16, 2002
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I've been trudging along the DJI learning curve since my birthday party and have discovered several tips today. First, the prop guards introduce some instability , second, the preferred method (although the legal department would never let it out in print) for launch and recovery, is from and to your hand. Zim, you are exonerated! I see little chance, as stable as the Phantom is, that you would get your hands or arms into the props launching and recovering it by the lower portion of the gear legs. The third thing I discovered is that the wider/taller gear will render my super slick carrying case all but worthless. The parts are on their way, so I'll form my own opinions.

A fourth bit of knowledge is the fact that DJI is about to release a Movi like gimbal that will handle our cameras, for the price of a Movi5, and I'll be all over that!



Jeff W.
Registered: Feb 09, 2008
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I'm just loving shooting Harriers lately and especially the Marine aviators that fly these bad boys.



MMcGrath
Registered: Apr 15, 2006
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Qantas will upgrade their 747 flights to DFW to the A380 from 29 SEP.



stevezzzz
Registered: Aug 01, 2010
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JWilsonphoto wrote:
I've been trudging along the DJI learning curve since my birthday party and have discovered several tips today. First, the prop guards introduce some instability , second, the preferred method (although the legal department would never let it out in print) for launch and recovery, is from and to your hand. Zim, you are exonerated! I see little chance, as stable as the Phantom is, that you would get your hands or arms into the props launching and recovering it by the lower portion of the gear legs. The third thing I discovered is that the wider/taller gear will render my super slick carrying case all but worthless. The parts are on their way, so I'll form my own opinions.

A fourth bit of knowledge is the fact that DJI is about to release a Movi like gimbal that will handle our cameras, for the price of a Movi5, and I'll be all over that!


Interesting that the community has decided launching to and from the hand is the way to go, Jim. I had mine tip over on landing a couple of times (in the grass, thankfully, so no props were trashed); and I have seen it go unstable momentarily on takeoff, before righting itself. I bought the prop guards, but never flew with them: on installing the guards I saw that they would render my semi-slick carrying case useless and decided to forego them.



JWilsonphoto
Registered: Jan 16, 2002
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Me too Steve. I'm headed out to the hangar today to, among other things, spend some time getting familiar with the P2. Winds are 25G35 so I'll skip flight ops, but I'm going to update software and install new props, then get up to speed with the Black Pearl HD Monitor set up. I need to determine if my gimbal is defective too, the supplier suggested a reinstall and the update to see what is going on there.

I wouldn't have flown it on concrete, but the grassy areas were dark and everyone wanted to see it fly, so I took it out to the ramp area in front of the hangar.....in retrospect not a smooth move.



stevezzzz
Registered: Aug 01, 2010
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JWilsonphoto wrote:
That's a considerable investment when you consider the number of Telsa vehicles on the road today, impressive commitment.


Tesla's done some smart things along the way (and had some good luck, too), but the Supercharger network is one of the best: brilliantly conceived and cleverly executed. They had the foresight to realize that bootstrapping the charging infrastructure was the only way they were going to be able to attack one of the major roadblocks (you'll pardon the expression) to widespread adoption of EV's. So they hand-built and sold 2500 expensive roadsters to prove out their drivetrain and generate enough buzz and cash to bootstrap the launch of a factory to assemble the Model S, then had the foresight to reserve a reported $2K from the sale of each car to build out the Supercharger network. And then they had the brilliant marketing insight to make that network free to use for Model S owners (and all future Tesla models, presumably), forever. The rest of their Secret Master Plan (which is public: they also have a corporate sense of humor) involves releasing an affordable family sedan with at least 200 miles of range, with first deliveries likely in 2017 or 2018 (by my estimate). There were a number of spots along the way where this master plan nearly foundered and the future is never guaranteed, but the CEO bet his last personal penny on Tesla (and Space X, but that's a different story) and persevered. It's the great American success story, writ large: an immigrant with big ideas, big dreams, pluck, perseverance and luck goes out and does the impossible (according to everyone else) and is richly rewarded; and the rest of the country is better off for his tenacity and vision.



futurshox
Registered: Feb 15, 2008
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Hm; I always launch and land on the ground. But then perhaps I'm rendered simple, since I've always flown with the guards. I could see myself grabbing the gear to catch it, if needs be.

They look bad-ass in the dusk though; don't they? All those lights!



Jeff W.
Registered: Feb 09, 2008
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stevez wrote:
Tesla's done some smart things along the way (and had some good luck, too), but the Supercharger network is one of the best: brilliantly conceived and cleverly executed. They had the foresight to realize that bootstrapping the charging infrastructure was the only way they were going to be able to attack one of the major roadblocks (you'll pardon the expression) to widespread adoption of EV's. So they hand-built and sold 2500 expensive roadsters to prove out their drivetrain and generate enough buzz and cash to bootstrap the launch of a factory to assemble the Model S, then had the foresight to reserve a reported $2K from the sale of each car to build out the Supercharger network. And then they had the brilliant marketing insight to make that network free to use for Model S owners (and all future Tesla models, presumably), forever. The rest of their Secret Master Plan (which is public: they also have a corporate sense of humor) involves releasing an affordable family sedan with at least 200 miles of range, with first deliveries likely in 2017 or 2018 (by my estimate). There were a number of spots along the way where this master plan nearly foundered and the future is never guaranteed, but the CEO bet his last personal penny on Tesla (and Space X, but that's a different story) and persevered. It's the great American success story, writ large: an immigrant with big ideas, big dreams, pluck, perseverance and luck goes out and does the impossible (according to everyone else) and is richly rewarded; and the rest of the country is better off for his tenacity and vision.


I forgot to mention that Tesla is building a Supercharger station directly across from the main gate at MCAS Yuma. It appears to be nearly complete. I think these guys are getting it right and would be my choice for an EV.



Wrei
Registered: Aug 01, 2008
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Anyone who gets a $500 million contract from NASA and has the guts to tell them they don't need their "ex-NASA engineer" expertise, and then repeatedly launches successful missions to resupply the International Space Station has my respect! That would be the same Elon Musk of Tesla and SpaceX.



stevezzzz
Registered: Aug 01, 2010
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Jeff W. wrote:
stevez wrote:
Tesla's done some smart things along the way (and had some good luck, too), but the Supercharger network is one of the best: brilliantly conceived and cleverly executed. They had the foresight to realize that bootstrapping the charging infrastructure was the only way they were going to be able to attack one of the major roadblocks (you'll pardon the expression) to widespread adoption of EV's. So they hand-built and sold 2500 expensive roadsters to prove out their drivetrain and generate enough buzz and cash to bootstrap the launch of a factory to assemble the Model S, then had the foresight to reserve a reported $2K from the sale of each car to build out the Supercharger network. And then they had the brilliant marketing insight to make that network free to use for Model S owners (and all future Tesla models, presumably), forever. The rest of their Secret Master Plan (which is public: they also have a corporate sense of humor) involves releasing an affordable family sedan with at least 200 miles of range, with first deliveries likely in 2017 or 2018 (by my estimate). There were a number of spots along the way where this master plan nearly foundered and the future is never guaranteed, but the CEO bet his last personal penny on Tesla (and Space X, but that's a different story) and persevered. It's the great American success story, writ large: an immigrant with big ideas, big dreams, pluck, perseverance and luck goes out and does the impossible (according to everyone else) and is richly rewarded; and the rest of the country is better off for his tenacity and vision.


I forgot to mention that Tesla is building a Supercharger station directly across from the main gate at MCAS Yuma. It appears to be nearly complete. I think these guys are getting it right and would be my choice for an EV.


Interesting, Jeff. Did you think to grab a photo? There's already a Tesla Supercharger in Yuma at the Hilton Garden Inn, south of the highway; I used it, twice, driving to and from El Centro in February. I wonder why Tesla thought another one so close by was needed, given that much of the country is not as yet served by even one Supercharger. My guess is that they've got a fleet deal with a buyer somewhere nearby; they did something similar in Las Vegas when the CEO of Zappos ordered 100 Model S cars.

http://www.teslamotors.com/supercharger



JWilsonphoto
Registered: Jan 16, 2002
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Jo, have you found any airflow/prop efficiency problems using the guards?



futurshox
Registered: Feb 15, 2008
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Jim, now you're getting technical ;-)
How would I even determine those?



Jeff W.
Registered: Feb 09, 2008
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stevez wrote:
Interesting, Jeff. Did you think to grab a photo? There's already a Tesla Supercharger in Yuma at the Hilton Garden Inn, south of the highway; I used it, twice, driving to and from El Centro in February. I wonder why Tesla thought another one so close by was needed, given that much of the country is not as yet served by even one Supercharger. My guess is that they've got a fleet deal with a buyer somewhere nearby; they did something similar in Las Vegas when the CEO of Zappos ordered 100 Model S cars.

http://www.teslamotors.com/supercharger


I did not get a photo Steve, but it is located on the back/east side of an existing Chevron Gas Station & Convenience Store at 3919 South Avenue 3 E. Here is a GoogleMap link:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/24+Hour+Chevron+Gas+Station+%26+Convenience+Store+Ave.+3E+@+MCAS+(Marine+Base)+Main+Gate,+Yuma,+AZ/@32.6565508,-114.5804889,100m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x55b56c69af07fdd6



stevezzzz
Registered: Aug 01, 2010
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futurshox wrote:
Jim, now you're getting technical ;-)
How would I even determine those?


Why, you just need to do your own test piloting, Jo: remove the prop guards and take copious notes on your kneeboard while flying the thing without 'em...



stevezzzz
Registered: Aug 01, 2010
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Jeff W. wrote:
stevez wrote:
Interesting, Jeff. Did you think to grab a photo? There's already a Tesla Supercharger in Yuma at the Hilton Garden Inn, south of the highway; I used it, twice, driving to and from El Centro in February. I wonder why Tesla thought another one so close by was needed, given that much of the country is not as yet served by even one Supercharger. My guess is that they've got a fleet deal with a buyer somewhere nearby; they did something similar in Las Vegas when the CEO of Zappos ordered 100 Model S cars.

http://www.teslamotors.com/supercharger


I did not get a photo Steve, but it is located on the back/east side of an existing Chevron Gas Station & Convenience Store at 3919 South Avenue 3 E. Here is a GoogleMap link:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/24+Hour+Chevron+Gas+Station+%26+Convenience+Store+Ave.+3E+@+MCAS+(Marine+Base)+Main+Gate,+Yuma,+AZ/@32.6565508,-114.5804889,100m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x55b56c69af07fdd6


Way at the back, behind the strip mall? Or just along the back wall of the Chevron?



JWilsonphoto
Registered: Jan 16, 2002
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Well I guess if you haven't noticed anything weird, then the guards aren't causing a problem. JR did get me the deluxe case so , as Zim pointed out, that would be useless if I put them on.. I'm thinking the hand launch/recovery technique will be the route I go. Having gourmet south of the border cuisine at Taco Bueno, then heading to HQ to dig in.



stevezzzz
Registered: Aug 01, 2010
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JWilsonphoto wrote:
Well I guess if you haven't noticed anything weird, then the guards aren't causing a problem. JR did get me the deluxe case so , as Zim pointed out, that would be useless if I put them on.. I'm thinking the hand launch/recovery technique will be the route I go. Having gourmet south of the border cuisine at Taco Bueno, then heading to HQ to dig in.


Mine is just a Pelican case I bought and custom fit to the Phantom, so it's only semi-deluxe.

I ran into a guy at the Rockies game last night (they beat the Rangers, 12-1, BTW) who owns a small chain of restaurants down your way, Hacienda Ranch I think he said. Heard of them?



Jeff W.
Registered: Feb 09, 2008
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stevez wrote:
I did not get a photo Steve, but it is located on the back/east side of an existing Chevron Gas Station & Convenience Store at 3919 South Avenue 3 E. Here is a GoogleMap link:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/24+Hour+Chevron+Gas+Station+%26+Convenience+Store+Ave.+3E+@+MCAS+(Marine+Base)+Main+Gate,+Yuma,+AZ/@32.6565508,-114.5804889,100m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x55b56c69af07fdd6


Way at the back, behind the strip mall? Or just along the back wall of the Chevron?


Along the back wall of the Chevron. In a weird way, it made sense to me that they co-located it with a traditional gas station/convenience store.



FlyingPhotog
Registered: May 09, 2008
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In 2011, on a grey, rainy day in Everett, WA, Boeing handed over the first operational 787 Dreamliner to All Nippon Airways. I think the look on this young lady's face pretty much summed up the "hopes and dreams" for the 787 program at that time.

We get so wrapped up in the sound and fury of the aircraft themselves, that we often forget that there are real blood, sweat and tears involved in the industry as well...

Hopes And Dreams



MMcGrath
Registered: Apr 15, 2006
Total Posts: 2649
Country: United Kingdom

UK airline Easyjet are developing their own drones to allow engineers to carry out engineering inspections of difficult to reach areas of aircraft.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-27308232



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