Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel
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ELinder
Registered: Feb 14, 2010
Total Posts: 993
Country: United States

I'm glad I stopped shooting when the wing began to drop. Not sure I'd need to see those photos. I'd much rather focus on the pass before, when all was well and they were doing something they loved. Aviation can be an unforgiving passion.

Erich



JWilsonphoto
Registered: Jan 16, 2002
Total Posts: 19078
Country: United States

So sorry Laura. That is always such a shock when relaxing fun turns to tragedy so unexpectedly. Makes it difficult to get your mind around it. Several times in the course of our thread, i have recounted the long list of friends/clients that have gone west in the air show business. Glenn's team is still together as friends, but haven't flown a show since his loss. The right wing in that formation flew his jet home and hasn't flown it since. I've seen it over and over, nothing happens for a few years and the air of invincibility and immortality creeps in, then reality hits. The truth is, it's dangerous, all of it, in different increments. That's what powers the crowd to some degree, unfortunately, and the dance with risk plays a part in the thrill for the performers as well. Like Johnny Rutherford said in his eulogy for Charlie Hillard, "If you don't crawl right up to the edge of the envelope every once in a while and look over the edge, life gets pretty boring......." That edge is different for everyone, for those kinds of folks, it's way out there and that's why they achieve what they do. The odds catch up with us all though, sooner or later.

Anyway, wish some of us were with you today for support during and after, I imagine you are a little shaken. Our thoughts and prayers are with you and the performers loved ones. And life goes on............



Mike Deep
Registered: Jun 12, 2009
Total Posts: 193
Country: United States

Thoughts and prayers for everyone out there today.



JWilsonphoto
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Niall, very cool story and photographs.



astrobrian
Registered: Sep 27, 2012
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Country: United States

Thoughts and prayers to all those there, rough day.



astrobrian
Registered: Sep 27, 2012
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Laura, I don't know what to say really. Agreed the FAA needs those shots, but no idea how one would be able to do it without going into some detached journalist mode or something. We're here for ya if you need us.



JWilsonphoto
Registered: Jan 16, 2002
Total Posts: 19078
Country: United States

What in the world did we do before we were this family? We take it for granted because it's been a part of our daily routine for quite a while now, but every once in a while the magnitude of what we are here re-dawns on me, it's really something. Our experience here is dotted with births and deaths, tragedy and triumph, joy and sorrow. And learning, lots of learning, across a myriad of subjects.

Aside from the obvious fun, HQ Thursday is a gas for me just because I like sitting back for a minute and watching everyone enjoy each other. I see MA2A in action that day, in person, and that's neat. I hope a couple of things fall into place over the next six months that will allow the personality of HQ to expand as an environment within which to gather, but even if it stays just as it is, it's a cool place for us to be.

Anyway, a backdrop of loss and sadness always makes one appreciate those significant people in one's life with greater clarity, and I appreciate all of you.



JWilsonphoto
Registered: Jan 16, 2002
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astrobrian wrote:
Laura, I don't know what to say really. Agreed the FAA needs those shots, but no idea how one would be able to do it without going into some detached journalist mode or something. We're here for ya if you need us.



That's what Ya have to do. Although, the sequence of events is extremely clear. The NTSB should be able to put that to bed in about 5 minutes, well they are a governmental agency, so let's give them three or four months.



NightOwl Cat
Registered: Feb 19, 2007
Total Posts: 9068
Country: United States

Thanks Jim, I was shaken, but my thoughts immediately went to her kids. The last photo in my camera is what I feared it was, on the way to becoming gruesome. Luckily my brain kicked in and disconnected the shutter finger and the camera captured no more. I'll give the disks (four copies for redundancy) to the FAA when I find the information desk tomorrow. Other than that, I don't think I can edit any of these shots. hey were announcing that anyone with video or camera shots to come forward and give them copies. I've got the raw and JPEGs on a DVD disk now. I'll go look at the Fifi shots an the F-86 instead. I had Erich on one side of me, and Mike and Lisa on the other side. I know word spreads quickly, so that's why one of my first text messages was to you. Her pilot today was Charlie Schwenker.


JWilsonphoto wrote:
So sorry Laura. That is always such a shock when relaxing fun turns to tragedy so unexpectedly. Makes it difficult to get your mind around it. Several times in the course of our thread, i have recounted the long list of friends/clients that have gone west in the air show business. Glenn's team is still together as friends, but haven't flown a show since his loss. The right wing in that formation flew his jet home and hasn't flown it since. I've seen it over and over, nothing happens for a few years and the air of invincibility and immortality creeps in, then reality hits. The truth is, it's dangerous, all of it, in different increments. That's what powers the crowd to some degree, unfortunately, and the dance with risk plays a part in the thrill for the performers as well. Like Johnny Rutherford said in his eulogy for Charlie Hillard, "If you don't crawl right up to the edge of the envelope every once in a while and look over the edge, life gets pretty boring......." That edge is different for everyone, for those kinds of folks, it's way out there and that's why they achieve what they do. The odds catch up with us all though, sooner or later.

Anyway, wish some of us were with you today for support during and after, I imagine you are a little shaken. Our thoughts and prayers are with you and the performers loved ones. And life goes on............


I'll be ok, I'm pretty sure, might take a bit of time to make sure that there's no nightmares or anything. I can't imagine the detachment the inspectors have to do to watch all these videos and look at all the shots from air show accidents.

astrobrian wrote:
Laura, I don't know what to say really. Agreed the FAA needs those shots, but no idea how one would be able to do it without going into some detached journalist mode or something. We're here for ya if you need us.



JWilsonphoto
Registered: Jan 16, 2002
Total Posts: 19078
Country: United States

I've got several friends that are NTSB/FAA investigators, it's weird how detached they are. I guess that's good, you don't want your heart surgeon getting all emotional while he's working on you, guess it's kind of the same thing. They have to develop an analytical detachment that allows them to do their job. Can't imagine what they see play on their eyelids at night, don't want to.

God has spared me the experience several times, I was supposed to ride down and back to SNF with Charlie, but couldn't due to a West Coast assignment, couldn't go with Glenn to Davenport because of three assignments. I would have had to have spent the night with him in that field until the NTSB released him to the medical examiner, and I doubt that I would have recovered well from that duty, it's been difficult enough as it is.



JWilsonphoto
Registered: Jan 16, 2002
Total Posts: 19078
Country: United States

Something only a few people know, is that Charlie always carried The Lord's Prayer in his flight suit pocket, that day was no different. Much more significant is the fact that he carried Trust in Christ in the heart that was behind that pocket, a "game changer" as they say these days.



Kingfishphoto
Registered: Nov 26, 2005
Total Posts: 7372
Country: United States

Eddie - Thanks for for the run down on the 101s flight characteristcs. Theres a beauty in Canada at the RCAF Museum near Toronto , best restored one i have everseen. The information on RCAF buying whats left from the U.S. , is posted in detain at the RCAF museum at Halifax. I quess for Air Defense, the just flew it longer than we did or wanted to do. Big aera up there looking at the Big Red Bear.
Harry



PeterGlaso
Registered: Jul 28, 2008
Total Posts: 617
Country: Norway



anthonysemone
Registered: Mar 08, 2008
Total Posts: 5276
Country: United States

Indeed, crew, what a sad day, and especially so for you, Laura, and your compatriots who witnessed the crash. And the pain and the sorrow of the families of these aviators. Ain't no words for that!

Not any good way to transition to these pics, save to say that I was enormously blessed to have been able to spend time with the men and women of 2ID at Camp Casey, South Korea. These pics are a testimony to those men and women, who, 8 clicks from the DMZ, are training, day and night, in and out, 24/7. Should that little fat )*&^ in NK make a mistake, these puppies will ring a door bell at 20 miles.

I got to stand in the turret and watch these guys engage in a mock firing cycle - let's just say that their talent produces a prodigious rate of fire for 155mm Howitzer



futurshox
Registered: Feb 15, 2008
Total Posts: 2754
Country: United States

Pretty awful day in Dayton, for sure. I only witnessed one airshow crash (the two MiGs at Fairford, way back when) but both involved survived. I don't even want to think about witnessing a fatality like that. *hugs* to Laura and her friends.

On a completely different note, here's something that just popped up on my radar: http://www.fractureme.com/ - printing on glass. No idea what it's like but it sounds interesting.

Edit: Another TOPP! Here's that helicopter again, disgorging its Sheriffs:



ELinder
Registered: Feb 14, 2010
Total Posts: 993
Country: United States

It's days like this that make you remember that every day is a blessing. It doesn't matter if you are personally touched by tragedy or see it unfold in front of you. Live each day to it's fullest. Tell those closest to you that you love them.

That detachment that was mentioned is a funny thing. I saw it happen. I knew immediately what happened and why. And yet after a short time I was drawn to watch the video. The pilot in me wanted to know if the plane gave any early warning signs. How did the pilot react, could you see his control movements trying to save them. Could anything have prevented it. Detachment, covering the deep sorrow for the loved ones of those lost today.

And yet I'll be back at the airport tomorrow, cheering on those who go back up, and fondly remembering the days that I too held the controls of an aircraft.

Erich



Jan-Arie
Registered: Dec 24, 2005
Total Posts: 4076
Country: Netherlands

Hey Guys just checking in to see if everybody is allright heard the news about Dayton.
I'm with Marcel at the 24h race at Le Mans.
Just finish'd some night shooting with the gang should have some good stuff.
Take it easy Ripper out



NightOwl Cat
Registered: Feb 19, 2007
Total Posts: 9068
Country: United States

Thanks Jo and Ripper. Physically, we're all fine. Looking forward to your Good Stuff from LeMans.

Jo, printing on glass definitely sounds interesting.



msalvetti
Registered: Dec 20, 2003
Total Posts: 3151
Country: United States

Tough day in Dayton (my thoughts are with all of you that witnessed this, and the families of all involved), and tough day at Tertre Rouge (for those not following, Danish driver Allan Simonsen was killed 10 minutes into the 24 hours when his Aston Martin went off into the Armco).

J-A, don't know if you've seen the in-car from the car following, but it looked like Simonsen got up on the rumble strip, went squirrely, then veered straight off into the barrier.

Mark



NightOwl Cat
Registered: Feb 19, 2007
Total Posts: 9068
Country: United States

Some processed images from the tour



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