Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel
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stevezzzz
Registered: Aug 01, 2010
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Adding to the full-disk tutorial:

1. Radial engines turn slower than other engines, whether piston or turbine.
2. The more prop blades, the easier it is to get a full disk (T-6 engines swing only a two-blade prop, while a P-47 engine, which turns at similar rpm's, has a four-blade prop).
3. Takeoff is easier than landing or a photo pass (because engine rpm is higher).
4. Shooting with the sun behind you (or at least on your side of the subject) makes the prop disk more visible; c.f. Glenn's splendid example at the top of this page.
5. If you want a full disk of a helicopter's rotor, better start at 1/15 sec and work down from there. Oh, and see #2, above.



JWilsonphoto
Registered: Jan 16, 2002
Total Posts: 19267
Country: United States

And there you have an example of the best of the best in this neighborhood, posting the ultimate challenge full disc.

Does my dusk shot of the Encore Wire manufacturing facility, at 1/8th and 1/15th air to ground set any records? I don't believe that I have ever shot slower than that in that situation. Keeper rate dropped precipitously, but there were keepers, ones that went to 24 x 30" and now hang in the lobby.



JWilsonphoto
Registered: Jan 16, 2002
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Shooting a home today. Almost blew it off because of the overcast and gloom and doom forecast. Turns out the light is perfect for interiors and I already have five in the can. You just never know.

Eddie Ray, sometime you should come up and spend the day with me when I'm shooting this kind of stuff. I know you love shooting your beautiful new home, you could probably teach me something.



Wrei
Registered: Aug 01, 2008
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I don't think you want to learn any bad habits!

We are in the process of working with the project manager I hired to begin Phase II, the final addition to the farm house. Work will probably begin late this month or March. Susan and I are very excited to have it completed.



JWilsonphoto
Registered: Jan 16, 2002
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That is exciting Wrei! I look forward to seeing the progress.

A comfortable study on a cold North Texas day..................



JWilsonphoto
Registered: Jan 16, 2002
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If Sheila and I ever do change addresses, these folks will probably build the new one..............



JWilsonphoto
Registered: Jan 16, 2002
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It's all about "The Familia".....................



JWilsonphoto
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They built the home we are in, seventeen years ago.



Tim Adams
Registered: Jan 01, 2004
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Full disc is fine for air to air. Ground to air, for me, I want something I can use that is sharp. 1/125 to 1/250, or 1/320 for aero acts or F1's which spin the crap out of their props. I would hate to spend 10 days in Reno trying to shoot full discs. All I would have is a bunch of junk.

1/160 here.






Colin Giersberg
Registered: Jun 01, 2008
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Sweet shot, Tim.



Colin Giersberg
Registered: Jun 01, 2008
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Beautiful interiors as well, Jim.



stevezzzz
Registered: Aug 01, 2010
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Tim Adams wrote:
Full disc is fine for air to air. Ground to air, for me, I want something I can use that is sharp. 1/125 to 1/250, or 1/320 for aero acts or F1's which spin the crap out of their props. I would hate to spend 10 days in Reno trying to shoot full discs. All I would have is a bunch of junk.

1/160 here.






And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that!


Wrei
Registered: Aug 01, 2008
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Beautiful Jim, awesome interiors!



Alpha_Geist
Registered: Apr 20, 2011
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Those are some excellent examples guys! I haven't had a chance to try helicopters, but I think I know how that will end up...in frustration. Haha!

I'm bookmarking all of these full prop spin highlights for the next air show.

Tim, was that taken at the (recent?) Reno air races? Such a sleek profile of that racer in that photo. Fantastic!



david russell
Registered: Jan 06, 2008
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Helicopters? Just use the surrounding mist to give you that soft focus look.

1/40th with a six blade main rotor...I don't know what it would take to get a full rotor on these...but some quick math tells me about 1/15th or so.










Tim Adams
Registered: Jan 01, 2004
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Alpha_Geist wrote:
Those are some excellent examples guys! I haven't had a chance to try helicopters, but I think I know how that will end up...in frustration. Haha!

I'm bookmarking all of these full prop spin highlights for the next air show.

Tim, was that taken at the (recent?) Reno air races? Such a sleek profile of that racer in that photo. Fantastic!


Yes it was this past year. It was the first test flight after they had blown the canopy to bits early in the week.



Jan-Arie
Registered: Dec 24, 2005
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Arty Farty Mustang



FlyingPhotog
Registered: May 09, 2008
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There is a DC-7 on the ramp at Coolidge, AZ that's being restored to airworthy condition and I managed to squeeze out a few angles during the February breakfast fly in...

12-shot stitched pano:


100% Crop from pano (it's got a little detail to it)


Remnants of the aft lounge:


Panel up front:


"1 of 4"


Word is she may fly by the fall...



FlyingPhotog
Registered: May 09, 2008
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Country: United States

stevez wrote:
Adding to the full-disk tutorial:

1. Radial engines turn slower than other engines, whether piston or turbine.
2. The more prop blades, the easier it is to get a full disk (T-6 engines swing only a two-blade prop, while a P-47 engine, which turns at similar rpm's, has a four-blade prop).
3. Takeoff is easier than landing or a photo pass (because engine rpm is higher).
4. Shooting with the sun behind you (or at least on your side of the subject) makes the prop disk more visible; c.f. Glenn's splendid example at the top of this page.
5. If you want a full disk of a helicopter's rotor, better start at 1/15 sec and work down from there. Oh, and see #2, above.


I would throw a caveat on #1 regarding radials: Gear Reduction or Direct Drive?



JWilsonphoto
Registered: Jan 16, 2002
Total Posts: 19267
Country: United States

Wow! That's a project!



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