Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel
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JWilsonphoto
Registered: Jan 16, 2002
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The front rolled up on the horizon last evening and doused some beautiful light, but the 1DX dealt with it without skipping a beat...........



JWilsonphoto
Registered: Jan 16, 2002
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Roger that Mark! "Measured" isn't in the government's vocabulary. It's going to be very interesting to see how the Bengazi administration handles the situation if North Korea does something very, very stupid. When it was the US and Russia, you always figured no one wanted to commit suicide, but when you introduce crazy to the nuclear mix, all bets are off.



Leviathor
Registered: Dec 20, 2005
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JWilsonphoto wrote:
While that absolutely should be corrected, our problem isn't taxation, it's wreckless spending and entitlements.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2012/12/05/tax-increases-dont-work/1746531/


I don't blame you for posting a conservative think tank's conservative economic policy even though it has been historically shown to be wrong: it aligns with your beliefs.

Sorry Jim, but our problem is a combination of spending and revenue. What spending needs to be cut we will of course disagree on, and that can be another discussion at another time.

There is actual, practical, historic evidence (not "studies") for decreasing taxes leading to economic hardship on a broad scale. (Twice now in the US to a significant degree: The Great Depression and the recession of 2007. Both saw conservative presidents enact tax reductions on the wealthiest Americans in the years leading up to economic downturns. Both periods in time saw the greatest inequity--by far--amongst Americans.) This is evidence that conservative economists really don't understand their beloved Laffer curve, or are willfully ignorant of how it works. Hey, a sorely-skewed one-sided story from a politician, who'd a thunk?

While the fascist economic principles of Reagan would have been nice were they to work, they don't: they never will in the real world. The same goes for a purely communist economic plan. What is proven, however, is that middle-out growth spurs economies more than any other scenario. Look at China. Their middle class is growing at a fantastic rate, and so is their economy. They're are, of course, not democratically-run (but neither are we). Their wannabe capitalist-communism is kicking the ass of our plutocracy.

Penalizing the poor is also shown not to work. Current austerity measures in Europe right now are hampering the economy. But wait, we've seen this before! A historical magnifying glass on post-WWII Europe shows that austerity in England decimated their economy. The paradox of thrift destroys economies.

If you're going to treat the poor like mules, you will find that carrots are more stimulating than sticks. Especially when they're dying. While "measured response" is in the vocabulary of some congressmen, it's definitely not there for their economics.



Leviathor
Registered: Dec 20, 2005
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Country: United States

That's another problem with conservative (little "c", not big "C") policy: beliefs. This country wasn't founded on beliefs, it was founded on ideas. Ideas change. Ideas need to change. Beliefs are immutable, stale, and kill billions of people.



FlyingPhotog
Registered: May 09, 2008
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Be careful throwing the "Great Depression" out there...

That was caused as much by the speculative behavior of "every man" types as it was by the, so called, "Titans" of industry. Now one can argue that there were flaws in "Stock Market as Vegas" but as you say, there are discussions for other times and this is also probably one of those.



futurshox
Registered: Feb 15, 2008
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Yes indeedy. Let's have a plane or two, from Texoma Air Race.





They were filming around the ramp for a TV show about repossessing planes...


They brought in this LearJet especially for filming (don't think it was actually getting repossessed).



JWilsonphoto
Registered: Jan 16, 2002
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Well Leviathor, you lost me at Ronald Reagan being a fascist. The bleeding hearts have thrown trillions at the poor, and amazingly, they are still poor. Trillions at education and our students are still uneducated. Might try expecting something from people for what is taken from one and given to another. Looks like the only thing you and I are likely to come anywhere close to agreeing on is photography.

Thank you Lady Jo for a well placed distractionary post.



bobl
Registered: Sep 08, 2003
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Interestingly, the lead animal is a cow and the rest are bulls.

Yup, boyz will be boyz



Jan-Arie
Registered: Dec 24, 2005
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Flamethrower



astrobrian
Registered: Sep 27, 2012
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Gorgeous flaming Tornado there!



Bill Gass
Registered: Feb 09, 2006
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I love TONKA TOYS !
@Jo, I love that show.



Jan-Arie
Registered: Dec 24, 2005
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Dutch Airforce Historic Flight



Leviathor
Registered: Dec 20, 2005
Total Posts: 199
Country: United States

FlyingPhotog wrote:
Be careful throwing the "Great Depression" out there...

That was caused as much by the speculative behavior of "every man" types as it was by the, so called, "Titans" of industry. Now one can argue that there were flaws in "Stock Market as Vegas" but as you say, there are discussions for other times and this is also probably one of those.


I agree that the Roaring Twenties were an unchecked "every man" event. New, cheap automobiles. Upswings in resource requirements that were cheap and easy to get. People traveling. The epic urbanization of the US.

Then there were the negative things leading up to the end of the decade: Three Republican administrations that solidified relationships between politics and big business, Teapot Dome, another series of presidents who gave no government support to veterans, concentration of wealth amongst a handful of people, the privatization of tax return information, devastating tariffs, a reduction in taxes on the top tax bracket of 52%, and the implementation of incredibly low interest rates that favored larger institutions and led to a 60% growth in the amount of money in circulation.

These scenarios are exactly like what is happening today, but no one actually listens to history. Paralleling the above with today: I've touched on the concentration of wealth and income inequality that is rampant today.

Vets today in NY and LA wait on average almost TWO YEARS for benefits to kick in, with the rest of the country taking more than a year! This includes medical benefits for PTSD!

Horrid government spending on wars that were started on faulty beliefs will end up costing the US tax payer upwards of 6 TRILLION dollars after interest and demobilization, were we to leave in 2014 (go on and name an "entitlement" program that costs that much, I dare you. Sorry, the Medi-programs don't even come close. Social Security? Nope. Almost forgot about Obamacare. Also nope. I think that covers the biggies. Moving on).

There's never been more corporate money in politics in history, and it has been a downward spiral since 1978. Enter Citizens United to really put a damper on any semblance of equality in politics. What is it, something like 93% of the time the politician with the greater money wins. It's a no-brainer to see that money ruins democracy.

And finally the insurance rates. The biggest banks in the US borrow money at a lower rate, lend out the money at the normal rate, and pocket the profits. The sub-prime abomination allowed people who shouldn't have to bite off more than they could chew. This is identical to the rate disparity from the twenties. This was, most essentially, the "every man" problem from the original point, and, like before, it created a huge bubble that left everyone (except the wealthy) holding the bag when it burst.

JWilsonphoto wrote:
Well Leviathor, you lost me at Ronald Reagan being a fascist. The bleeding hearts have thrown trillions at the poor, and amazingly, they are still poor. Trillions at education and our students are still uneducated. Might try expecting something from people for what is taken from one and given to another. Looks like the only thing you and I are likely to come anywhere close to agreeing on is photography.

Thank you Lady Jo for a well placed distractionary post.


Fascism is the promotion of a strong leader through military might and ethnocentricity. I think everyone would be in agreement that Reagan helped the rich white man more than anyone else, and in doing so he started toppling democracy and progressive ideas by inspiring the next generation of conservative to be so much further right of his original principles that Reagan himself (not zombie Reagan, but 80s Reagan) could not be elected in today's political environment.

This is another impasse of belief and ideals, Jim. I agree that what passes for unemployment and disability needs to be reworked in this country, and the contributors to breaking it, keeping it broke, breaking it more (Reagan, Clinton...) all share responsibility; this is a part of what's keeping the poor, poor. Bigger problems exist in earnings versus productivity, and in the exploitation of the poorest by organizations like Wal-Mart. Ironically, if they cared for their workers, this argument would be a much smaller problem, as health care and minimum wages would actually be provided at a real living wage. And if Wal-Mart were doing it, it would be accepted as the status quo, and politicians would feel pressure to instead give everyone a living wage.

Education is a whole different can of worms, and I will instead blame conservatives for spending trillions to keep people uneducated. The poor and uneducated are easy to lie to about grandeur and getting rich, and the educated aristocrats have a selfish interest to keep "their" money. Everyone else in the middle is fair game, with educated members of society trending toward progressive political stances, and everyone else who is convinced by the lies shilled by Fox voting conservative ideals (the market share of Fox vs election returns are in eerily-good agreement, but that's not evidence). However, to back up my claim and educate you low information voters (we progressives had a good chuckle at this one, believe you me), look at the 2012 election. The top ten best educated states, as measured by population of 25-year-olds who hold college degrees, all voted for Obama. Of the "top ten" least educated states, 90% voted for Romney, with Nevada being the only state in the list to vote for Obama. There are other studies linking education with voting trends. It turns out that educated people educate themselves on the topics at hand as well, going out of their way to research politicians' stances on various topics.

Conservatives don't teach people how to think, they teach people how to follow. They "educate" through church and by bombarding media with misinformation, disinformation, or no information. Politicians at this stage in the game are pretty much all bought, but since they're bought they have to of course defend the positions of those wealthy corporations. This makes the money-takers conservative in the sense that their handlers want to keep making money, and that's by not rocking the boat. This is why issues like minimum wage, gun control, health care, resource management and climate change are all politically taboo. This is also why a significant portion of the country believes in the supernatural: because the actual fascinating stuff that makes people think is never reported, and is never reported to the same degree as the media reports non-news stories. Fascinating news should make you think, it might make you reaffirm your ideas, but it should not reinforce your beliefs.

Don't even bother to bring up the "liberal" media. There's so much corporate backing of media today that the days of any legitimate "liberal media" argument are woefully bygone. Besides, no one who doesn't actually believe that malarkey will be swayed by the argument. In fact, they probably watch Fox News.


Here's a non-inflammatory addition (I hope!):







JWilsonphoto
Registered: Jan 16, 2002
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Country: United States

Alrighty then folks, moving on to something more productive, and less boring to the family here................



gerov
Registered: Nov 29, 2004
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Back to our regularly scheduled programming...



JWilsonphoto
Registered: Jan 16, 2002
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Oh Gerov! That's one of those magical flights where one doesn't have to climb forever to get on top and play. Great air to air conditions too! I've been waiting for a day like that one to go up with the Hero3 on the Cub and get an hour of winding through the wisps. I'll bet that air was like glass too. Nice capture.



JWilsonphoto
Registered: Jan 16, 2002
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I was doing some research on the Movi10 last night, after talking with Vince Laforet. A guy commented on his Vimeo blog about the Movi not being new technology, further he said there was an identical unit being manufactured by a Chinese (what a surprise) company at a fraction of the cost. I've Googled it about six times and have found zip. Anyone know anything about it? Looks like the Movi5 will run about $7,500 decked out, and the 10 will be around $15,000. Admittedly, that is a big stack of bills either way, but the capability they demonstrate on the initial demo videos would open up new worlds in video capture.

I think they are going to make a bunch of announcements this week at some film/video venue that Vince is involved in. According to him, they are taking deposits on the 10 and it's in production, the 5 is supposed to be following in pretty short order.

I've done a dozen or so video assignments that turned out "fine", but just weren't as smooth as I would have liked. You know, that velvety smooth look you see from the gimbal mounts on LongRangers and A-Stars. If a guy could mimic that quality for the price of either Movi, I think you could amortize the investment pretty quickly. Then add what you could do with surface video capture. I can think of several clients that would go crazy over that capability. I just haven't sold it, because I haven't been convinced that I could produce the product to my standards.

Those of you heading to ISAP 2013 are in for a treat. We sought out several photographers/videographers who are heavy into the new video techniques. Should be very enjoyable, enlightening presentations. You know, the kind that got Zim and me to drop 20k on Nikon gear........



MMcGrath
Registered: Apr 15, 2006
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Jim,

The event Vince was at is NAB in vegas. It's some big video event similar to what we get for stills.



Glenn Watson
Registered: Nov 13, 2007
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In other news, FedEx just dropped off my D800



FlyingPhotog
Registered: May 09, 2008
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MMcGrath wrote:
Jim,

The event Vince was at is NAB in vegas. It's some big video event similar to what we get for stills.


NAB = National Association Of Broadcasters

Their annual clam bake in Vegas is akin to the Consumer Electronics Show + Photokina for the professional broadcasting world.



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