On the lookout at Monument Valley
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AMaji
Registered: Apr 19, 2012
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This is taken at John Ford Point, Monument Valley. I got this idea from Robert Hitchman's Photograph America publication. If anyone here does not get it, I would recommend that you get this quarterly publication. Google it and you should be able to find it. It is a really really used guide for photographing iconic locations all around USA.

I took a few images of the Navajo rider and gave him a small tip. However, I forgot to get him to sign model release, but I was not thinking about it that time. Then, for better or worse, I get an email from Getty Images that they want to license a few of my images from my Flickr collection and guess what!!!! Two images were of this Navajo rider!!! Without model release, I won't be able to license them. Anyway, so lesson learned.

I have a black and white version of this one also, and one of the comments I heard about it is that it reminds of the Old Western Movies.

Your comments and criticism are most welcome.
Thank you for your time.



JimFox
Registered: Jan 11, 2005
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Hey Maji,

What a super cool shot. That's great about Getty wanting some of your images. I would think with this shot that you would not need a models release. I thought the criteria for a model release was if the person was reconizable then you needed one. The rider is far enough off, I am not sure what details, other then he is an indian anyone could get from this shot.

Jim



Fred Miranda
Registered: Dec 31, 2001
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Great shot Maji,
The inclusion of the man on the horse makes this image work. Perhaps a tighter crop emphasizing this element could be beneficial.
Love the color and detail on it.
Best,
Fred



stanparker
Registered: Dec 24, 2011
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This guy (or some other Navajo) poses all the time, it is his job. I can't imagine that selling images of him at such distance would require a release. Good shot.



ckcarr
Registered: Dec 02, 2006
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Josef Muench. Famous shot.

Good work!



AMaji
Registered: Apr 19, 2012
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Thank you everyone for your kind words. Actually, the two images that Getty chose were tighter around the rider. The Getty editor required model releases, so without it their software won't even let me upload the images to their server.

Stan... when I went, there was a bus load of European tourists there with most of them posing on the horse. When I asked the Navajo person to pose for me, he told me to wait till all the bus left and then he rode his horse to the ledge.

Personally, I chose this shot for display here because it really gives a feeling of vastness of the land and the rider on the lookout for enemies coming from the far corners... just like John Fords Western Movies.

Here is one of the images that Getty chose. You can also read Fred's comment on how a closer view will be preferable. I suddenly realized that experienced photographers and photo editors like Fred and Getty Editors think so much alike... because they have the "eye" for it That is something most of us strive to learn.



MikeW
Registered: Dec 06, 2009
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I like the closer one much better, it still gives the idea of the vastness & the composition is excellent. Good one!



Irishman
Registered: Jan 05, 2013
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The tighter crop definitely works better. Applying levels to that sky would pop it even more.



angel manguel
Registered: Feb 09, 2009
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Hi Maji,

I prefer the distant view. I think that image gives a much more accurate perspective on the immensity of the scene and the insignificance of the human in the scene. Selecting the sky and performing some manipulation will makes this image even more stunning that it already is. Great eye!

Alan



DougDolde
Registered: Feb 21, 2008
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This is a great scene but the light is truly terrible.



jleom
Registered: Mar 18, 2004
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I like both.

Do you have to get the permit to sell photos taken on Navajo land?
It is unclear to me if that pertains to anybody who wants to sell a photo taken in the area.
The after the fact fee is high.

http://navajonationparks.org/htm/monumentvalleypermits.htm

Leo



JohnC
Registered: Apr 12, 2002
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I have one of him also from 2010. It was sunset and as I was leaving a bus full of tourists from Gouldings pulled up and he trotted over to pose. Its one of my favorite images. I turned around and as I squeezed off a few shots his assistant came over and demanded two dollars which I obliged. I guess everyone on the bus had prepaid for the privilege.

I did the Hunt's Mesa overnight last month and my guide said that was his uncle and that he was not well and not doing it anymore.



Zeph
Registered: Jan 30, 2005
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Funny how the horse looks in the second, sorta deflated...
Nice work...



Rick Schump
Registered: Oct 30, 2007
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Wonderful shot posed or with or without the release, It would be a great shot to have on the hard drive. Rick



AMaji
Registered: Apr 19, 2012
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Thank you guys for your comments.

The poor horse must have been tired with all the tourists getting on its back and off... can't blame it for appearing deflated



teked
Registered: Sep 06, 2006
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Very cool shot. Second version is my choice. Congrats on the 'almost' good fortune.

Cheers,
Ed



Jeffrey
Registered: Nov 12, 2002
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Very nice image, Maji!

I'm shocked to hear that Getty cruises Flikr for images. That sure is a low blow to all the pros that already contract with them. And people like me (and many of us) that have our work on our own websites and don't use flikr. They are undermining their own relationships with their sources. Oh, the draw of a lower price.....



AMaji
Registered: Apr 19, 2012
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thank you Ed and Jeffrey.

Jeffrey,
Flickr users who want Getty to take a look at the collection need to register with Getty. I did it, and once in a while I will get an email saying Getty wants to license certain images and try to sell it. Never got a sale though through Getty. Private sales through some local exhibitions/displays got me sales.

Thanks again for your time.



bshamilton
Registered: Aug 28, 2005
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Classics! Very nicely done.

Barry



AMaji
Registered: Apr 19, 2012
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Thank you Barry.



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