Lens buying decision help
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Pamir
Registered: Oct 25, 2012
Total Posts: 14
Country: United States

Hello all,

I am new here. I enjoy reading this photography site. Anyhow, about a month ago I took advantage of the Canon sale/rebate offer for Canon 5D Mark II with the 24-105L kit lens. Quite a leap from Rebel Xti with kit and some EF-S lenses. Now, I decided that I want to spend some serious dough on 70-200 F2.8L Mark II and another L lens. However I cannot decide between 16-35 F2.8 Mark II or 24-70 F2.8 Mark II. Reason being I don't know which one fits my needs best. Soon I will be travelling to Afghanistan for cousin and another childhood friend's wedding and to see this place. Obviously I will have my camera out in these parties taking pictures -- bride and groom, group pictures and portraits. In addition, I am interested in landscape photography as well during this travel and in general. So, my difficulty in deciding is which one of these lenses would fit my needs better? I am not going to make money from this investment but I love to do wedding photography, someday. Regardless, I value photography. A hundred or more years from now on, this is the best gift you can give to your family, friends, etc. Not that is not a great "present" gift as well. I believe photos are a generational gift. Imagine so many people pass away without a singly photo left for the family and future generations to cherish. Perhaps later comments are unnecessary for people who live and dream photograph. Or maybe I am still trying to justify my extravagance. Thanks.



redcrown
Registered: Sep 10, 2004
Total Posts: 778
Country: United States

When I went digital I spared no expense and started out FF Canon 1Ds, with the 24-70 2.8L and the 70-200 2.8L. Figured that covered the entire range I'd shoot. But when traveling with this rig, the bulk and weight started getting to me. And many, many times I found I wanted something between 70mm and 100mm (portraits) yet didn't want to swap lenses for one shot. And with the 70-200 mounted for portraits, I couldn't make a quick full body shot because I couldn't drop below 70mm.

Couple years ago I bought the 5D2 which cut body the size and weight in half and increased battery life 500%. But the lens were still a lot to fly with. So I bought the 24-105L. I haven't used the 24-70 since. I just don't need f2.8. The times I wish I had that speed are so few, it's just not worth it. Especially since high ISO quality keeps getting better. And the times I wish I had that low DOF are almost never, cause I can emulate it in Photoshop easily. Now I shoot 90% with the 24-105.

To see the difference in image quality between the 24-70 and the 24-105 you have to really, really pixel peep. And even then, it's not much. Both have some softness in the edges at 24mm. I don't see any significant difference in CA or distortion.

As for the 70-200, I wish I had bought the lesser version, F4 without IS. Partly because it's much cheaper, but mostly because it's much lighter. The DOF at f2.8/200mm is so small it's ridiculous, and the IS is nothing to brag about. Sometimes it works, sometimes not so well. Better to crank up the ISO to get the speed you need and use more noise reduction. With that lens, given a choice between 1/125 shutter speed + IS at ISO 400 or 1/250 shutter speed with no IS and ISO 800, I'd always take the latter.

So think hard about your shooting style. Do you really need the max speed of f2.8 and do you really need the DOF that f2.8 gives. Review your old images and see how often you used f2.8. Remember that the DOF of f2.8 varies a lot by focal length. If you have fallen in love with the DOF of f2.8 on a nifty 50mm lens, you can get the same DOF from a 200mm lens at a much smaller fstop.

When I shoot head shots with the 70-200 at 200mm, it takes f11 to keep the whole face in focus (both eyes), and even then ears are quite soft.



trenchmonkey
Registered: Oct 22, 2004
Total Posts: 35517
Country: United States

Canon Forum This is a seldom visited place by most, you'll get 20x the responses
when placed in the proper Fora...as it's gear specific. GL



BenV
Registered: Jan 01, 2008
Total Posts: 8158
Country: United States

trenchmonkey wrote:
Canon Forum This is a seldom visited place by most, you'll get 20x the responses
when placed in the proper Fora...as it's gear specific. GL


+1

also, why not sell the 24-105 and buy both the 16-35 and 24-70?



Pamir
Registered: Oct 25, 2012
Total Posts: 14
Country: United States

Redcrown, thanks for the comments and ideas. Definitely it helps me to step back and evaluate my inclinations for the expensive upgrades.

TM, thank you as well. I don't know why I was blindsided to post in that form. Perhaps there are similar discussions lready. Already bought season pass for Canon gear talk.



Pamir
Registered: Oct 25, 2012
Total Posts: 14
Country: United States

Hi BenV, yes, I was going to sell the 24-105, but I already was calculating the proceeds in buying the "upgrade." Since you mentioned it, is this a gold place to sell? I do not like to mail, rather deal locally.



BenV
Registered: Jan 01, 2008
Total Posts: 8158
Country: United States

Pamir wrote:
Hi BenV, yes, I was going to sell the 24-105, but I already was calculating the proceeds in buying the "upgrade." Since you mentioned it, is this a gold place to sell? I do not like to mail, rather deal locally.


Things on the buy/sell section of the forum have been a little slow lately, but this place is amazing place to sell