Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (fixed lens)
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fredmirandafan
Registered: Aug 07, 2013
Total Posts: 97
Country: Canada

Tariq Gibran wrote:
I guess this is a great place to also note how really wonderful the shutter release is on the RX1. I use a soft release also but I'm always reminded anytime I shoot with a different camera just how refined that RX1 shutter button feel is. Seems like some thought really went into that feel.

Tell me about it! It's one of the best shutters I've experienced, very adaptable too with either a Bip or Bop
I was secretly wishing A7(R) would be the same, but unfortunately it's still not an RX1/R sensation



Tariq Gibran
Registered: Oct 01, 2006
Total Posts: 10660
Country: United States

fredmirandafan wrote:

I was secretly wishing A7(R) would be the same, but unfortunately it's still not an RX1/R sensation



Yeah, I hear it described as "mushy" and "numb" with no feel. I think we will have to wait for the "Made in Japan" A9 or similar to get the RX1 refinement.



fredmirandafan
Registered: Aug 07, 2013
Total Posts: 97
Country: Canada

Tariq Gibran wrote:
Yeah, I hear it described as "mushy" and "numb" with no feel. I think we will have to wait for the "Made in Japan" A9 or similar to get the RX1 refinement.

lol, not sure about mushy or numb. What I do know is, when testing the A7/R during the Sony demo, I had to resort to jabbing instead of the gentle nudging on my RX1R. Another disappointment is the lack of screw threads on the shutter button to install any Bip and Bops. Sigh.. like you said, either the A9 or RX2 with a longer FL lens and leaf shutter.



Gary Clennan
Registered: Mar 29, 2007
Total Posts: 5013
Country: Canada

Careful with those A7 comments - people are watching….



douglasf13
Registered: Apr 09, 2008
Total Posts: 6059
Country: United States

sebboh wrote:
elkabong62 wrote:
Also a general question for you and douglasf13, does the 49mm --> 37mm step down ring cause any vignetting on the RX1's Zeiss 35mm f2.0 lens? B&H and Adorama both only sell one model of it and they are both are different makes. Does the model style make a difference?


there is a very small amount of vignetting with the sensei 49-37mm step down ring on top of a B+W f-pro filter when focused to infinity.


That's interesting. I thought I checked at infinity, but maybe not. Granted, I have several step down rings, and some of them are slightly different in depth. Maybe I'll just only us the filter.



douglasf13
Registered: Apr 09, 2008
Total Posts: 6059
Country: United States

helimat wrote:
douglasf13 wrote:
I haven't used the Zeiss OVF, but I thought the Voigtlander OVF looked like a better trade off in terms of size and cost, so I went that direction.


Stupid question, but out of curiosity how are you focusing? Are you relying on AF, or switching between the VF & screen?


I either use center point and visualize it, or I occasionally stop down to F8 and use multi-point, which is new for me. You have to "feel" the camera lock focus, but it works better than one would think.



helimat
Registered: Apr 06, 2008
Total Posts: 3736
Country: Canada

douglasf13 wrote:
I either use center point and visualize it, or I occasionally stop down to F8 and use multi-point, which is new for me. You have to "feel" the camera lock focus, but it works better than one would think.


OK, great to know, thanks. I have been primarily using 'flexible spot AF' with the LCD, and a little MF with the EVF as well, which will take some getting used to. Nice to see that there are other options than Sony's $500 OVF too, thanks for sharing.




sebboh
Registered: Nov 02, 2009
Total Posts: 10573
Country: United States

douglasf13 wrote:
sebboh wrote:
elkabong62 wrote:
Also a general question for you and douglasf13, does the 49mm --> 37mm step down ring cause any vignetting on the RX1's Zeiss 35mm f2.0 lens? B&H and Adorama both only sell one model of it and they are both are different makes. Does the model style make a difference?


there is a very small amount of vignetting with the sensei 49-37mm step down ring on top of a B+W f-pro filter when focused to infinity.


That's interesting. I thought I checked at infinity, but maybe not. Granted, I have several step down rings, and some of them are slightly different in depth. Maybe I'll just only us the filter.


yeah, i haven't tested with just the step down ring and no filter. i really haven't noticed much difference in flare shooting near the sun with the hood on, step down ring on, or nothing on the lens. using a filter is definitely suboptimal for such shooting with regard to flare whether or not you use any type of hood.



Jochenb
Registered: May 25, 2010
Total Posts: 1793
Country: Belgium

fredmirandafan wrote:
As days get darker and darker, I have had to shoot at lower and lower shutter speeds, just wondering what the lowest handheld shutter speeds people have been able to get pixel-level sharpness on the street? With the EVF on my RX1R, I find 1/80 is mostly safe, 1/60 is iffy, and 1/30 is just hit and miss. Thats of course assuming subjects are not moving.


The EVF really helps stabilizing the camera. I also have the RRS grip and that helps even more. I now get consistently sharp results at 1/30-1/50. Without the EVF and grip I even have to be careful at 1/80.



Tariq Gibran
Registered: Oct 01, 2006
Total Posts: 10660
Country: United States

sebboh wrote:
douglasf13 wrote:
sebboh wrote:
elkabong62 wrote:
Also a general question for you and douglasf13, does the 49mm --> 37mm step down ring cause any vignetting on the RX1's Zeiss 35mm f2.0 lens? B&H and Adorama both only sell one model of it and they are both are different makes. Does the model style make a difference?


there is a very small amount of vignetting with the sensei 49-37mm step down ring on top of a B+W f-pro filter when focused to infinity.


That's interesting. I thought I checked at infinity, but maybe not. Granted, I have several step down rings, and some of them are slightly different in depth. Maybe I'll just only us the filter.


yeah, i haven't tested with just the step down ring and no filter. i really haven't noticed much difference in flare shooting near the sun with the hood on, step down ring on, or nothing on the lens. using a filter is definitely suboptimal for such shooting with regard to flare whether or not you use any type of hood.



I use the step down ring just to help protect the front of the lens a little (and don't use a filter on the front since going that route). It doesn't seem like it really makes a difference with regard to flare as the lens is so flare resistant already.



helimat
Registered: Apr 06, 2008
Total Posts: 3736
Country: Canada

Thanks for the tips guys. I have some adapters coming. Although the knock-off vented hood offers decent protection, and the OEM cap fits in it nicely, a slimmer setup will be nice too.



douglasf13
Registered: Apr 09, 2008
Total Posts: 6059
Country: United States

sebboh wrote:
douglasf13 wrote:
sebboh wrote:
elkabong62 wrote:
Also a general question for you and douglasf13, does the 49mm --> 37mm step down ring cause any vignetting on the RX1's Zeiss 35mm f2.0 lens? B&H and Adorama both only sell one model of it and they are both are different makes. Does the model style make a difference?


there is a very small amount of vignetting with the sensei 49-37mm step down ring on top of a B+W f-pro filter when focused to infinity.


That's interesting. I thought I checked at infinity, but maybe not. Granted, I have several step down rings, and some of them are slightly different in depth. Maybe I'll just only us the filter.


yeah, i haven't tested with just the step down ring and no filter. i really haven't noticed much difference in flare shooting near the sun with the hood on, step down ring on, or nothing on the lens. using a filter is definitely suboptimal for such shooting with regard to flare whether or not you use any type of hood.



I just did a quick test at infinity wide open, and I don't see any extra vignetting when adding my B+W XS Pro Digital filter and my 49mm->37mm step down ring.

It must come down to my XS filter being thinner than your F-Pro filter, and maybe even my step down ring being thinner, too. I believe I have other 49->37 step down rings in a drawer that are a bit thicker than the one I'm currently using.



ricardovaste
Registered: Jan 25, 2010
Total Posts: 3642
Country: United Kingdom

As mentioned earlier, I'm more than happy going to 1/15th. I'm not printing very large most of the time. With my old leaf shutter camera I would happily go to 1/8th as well, although I've not felt the need to do so yet.

After using it for a weekend trip I think I've settled into it more now. Mostly using zone by AF. Still not perfect but definitely better. My wider and shorter strap is much more comfortable too.

I kind of wish the lens would throw out some aberrations at wider apertures.... But I realise the reviews would hate that. Almost tempted to find some sort of oil-filter but I know it would just be awful ;o)



philip_pj
Registered: Apr 03, 2009
Total Posts: 3103
Country: Australia

too good not to put up here - a shutter noise comparo of RX1, EM-5, A7r and a high end Canon DSLR:

http://tobinators.com/blog/index.php/2013/11/everything-else/shutter-sound-comparison-sony-a7r-v-the-rest/

See if you can hear the RX1...



Jochenb
Registered: May 25, 2010
Total Posts: 1793
Country: Belgium

For me still one of the most important reasons why I can't sell my RX1 Philip. It's not that the A7R really is too loud (it does sound "slow" though), but compared to the RX1 it certainly feels that way.



Tariq Gibran
Registered: Oct 01, 2006
Total Posts: 10660
Country: United States

philip_pj wrote:
too good not to put up here - a shutter noise comparo of RX1, EM-5, A7r and a high end Canon DSLR:

http://tobinators.com/blog/index.php/2013/11/everything-else/shutter-sound-comparison-sony-a7r-v-the-rest/

See if you can hear the RX1...


Nice comparison. So the single frame sound of the A7r is around the same as a Canon 1D. ouch.



twoeye
Registered: Jan 14, 2011
Total Posts: 409
Country: Norway

twoeye wrote:
When previewing images I can no longer adjust the zoom scale by turning the control wheel, the control wheel rotate function has for a while been on and off. I guess the camera must be serviced.

Anyone else experiencing this?


Sony´s service turnaround is far from impressive, I sent my RX1 in for service in the beginning of october to have the control wheel fixed, and I am still waiting for it...



Jonas B
Registered: Jun 05, 2005
Total Posts: 2422
Country: Sweden

twoeye wrote:
twoeye wrote:
When previewing images I can no longer adjust the zoom scale by turning the control wheel, the control wheel rotate function has for a while been on and off. I guess the camera must be serviced.

Anyone else experiencing this?


Sony´s service turnaround is far from impressive, I sent my RX1 in for service in the beginning of october to have the control wheel fixed, and I am still waiting for it...


That's far from impressive indeed. Really bad actually. I wish Sony would hand out another copy for loan during the repair time. As they (my guess) don't I can only hope you'll get your camera back soon. I guess you have called them asking about the estimated time for the work. What do they say?



wayne seltzer
Registered: Dec 22, 2007
Total Posts: 4137
Country: United States

Wow! A7r sounds loud and slow compared to RX1 and EM-5.
Two eye, hope you get your RX1 back soon.



twoeye
Registered: Jan 14, 2011
Total Posts: 409
Country: Norway

Jonas B wrote:

That's far from impressive indeed. Really bad actually. I wish Sony would hand out another copy for loan during the repair time. As they (my guess) don't I can only hope you'll get your camera back soon. I guess you have called them asking about the estimated time for the work. What do they say?


It has been sent from Tromsø to my retailer in Oslo, and from there too Sony in Sweden for service, estimated repair time four weeks. Hopefully I will have it back soon.



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