Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (fixed lens)
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ricardovaste
Registered: Jan 25, 2010
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Very weird / interesting observation re: in camera corrections. It's certainly good to know, but in reality I don't think you're ever going to underexpose by 6 stops, so I think you'll be fine.



snapsy
Registered: Feb 24, 2008
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ricardovaste wrote:
Very weird / interesting observation re: in camera corrections. It's certainly good to know, but in reality I don't think you're ever going to underexpose by 6 stops, so I think you'll be fine.


The artifacts show up in less strenuous conditions as well - I used -6EV to characterize the full radial pattern.



ricardovaste
Registered: Jan 25, 2010
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Do you/we have any measure of when these artifacts come into place? Just wondering if I should be turning that thing off, too.



Jonas B
Registered: Jun 05, 2005
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I think we can turn it the other way round: What good does it do having all those power and time consuming gadgets on? If nothing essential (for a raw shooter as anyone really should be imo) just turn it off, for [xxxx].

Or, I may be wrong, are many here shooting in-camera JPGs? Maybe time for a poll - I usually think nearly everybody here shoot raw, or shoot raw+JPG where it is the raw format file that is used for processing.



desvenne
Registered: Oct 30, 2012
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So… I just noticed that the Belgian Sony store has refurb RX-1's in stock. It's probably JochenB's defective one

Anyone here bought a refurb RX1?

New @ sony: 3100
online retailer: 2800
sony refurb: 2450

Under 2500 is starting to look good



Jochenb
Registered: May 25, 2010
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desvenne wrote:
So… I just noticed that the Belgian Sony store has refurb RX-1's in stock. It's probably JochenB's defective one

Anyone here bought a refurb RX1?

New @ sony: 3100
online retailer: 2800
sony refurb: 2450

Under 2500 is starting to look good


The belgian store has the same distribution center as the Netherlands, but yes who knows? I hope they've really fixed it then.
Nice price, do you get the same 2-year warranty when buying a refurb?



douglasf13
Registered: Apr 09, 2008
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I shoot raw + small jpeg, simply because the camera loads a review image faster when you shoot raw + jpeg, but I only process the raw.

I leave camera shading off, because it makes color shift worse, and can lead to the issues illustrated above. I leave distortion correction on, simply because I correct distortion most of the time with the RX1 Lightroom profile, so I figured that I should frame that way in-camera as well. Can't remember about CA correction. I haven't noticed a difference when on or off and shooting raw.



carstenw
Registered: Dec 26, 2005
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Thoughts on EVF vs. no EVF?



Tariq Gibran
Registered: Oct 01, 2006
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Well, you know how much I love EVF's but I do prefer to use one on the RX1 myself for the information and feedback it provides. I also like to hold the RX1 at chest level with the EVF tilted at about a 45 degree angle. I do have an optical finder which I might start using occasionally.



Jochenb
Registered: May 25, 2010
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carstenw wrote:
Thoughts on EVF vs. no EVF?


I vastly prefer using it with the EVF. It makes shooting the camera more engaging and the EVF also acts as an image stabilizer. The camera just is more easy to hold steady when you can press it to your face.



douglasf13
Registered: Apr 09, 2008
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I returned the EVF in favor of my OVF when I bought the camera. I can't believe I'm saying this, but, lately, I've started to come full circle on the viewfinder thing, and I've been simply using the camera's LCD. 35mm is probably the easiest focal length to visualize without a viewfinder at all, so I'm really not even sure I need my OVF, and I kind of like using the LCD of the camera at about collarbone level, with my elbows locked at my side. It's pretty easy to use my left hand to shade the LCD, when needed.

I'm currently going viewfinder-less at the moment, but we'll see if it lasts.



sebboh
Registered: Nov 02, 2009
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Jochenb wrote:
carstenw wrote:
Thoughts on EVF vs. no EVF?


I vastly prefer using it with the EVF. It makes shooting the camera more engaging and the EVF also acts as an image stabilizer. The camera just is more easy to hold steady when you can press it to your face.


+1

the evf also makes manual focus with no zoom very easy compared to the lcd which takes some squinting and a good viewing angle.

that said, i haven't bought the evf yet and am still making due as i'm making myself wait till i've sold some gear and need motivation to post the listings. i'm also hoping a higher res evf will be announced sometime soon since the next NEX-7 is rumored to have a higher res evf.



sebboh
Registered: Nov 02, 2009
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oh, i always keep vignetting correction, CA correction, and distortion correction turned off.

i'd rather decide after the fact whether they're helpful. most shots end up getting CA correction done in lightroom, but pretty much only cityscapes get distortion correction (i generally find people pictures to be improved by keeping the distortion), and i almost always add vignetting rather than correcting for it.



ricardovaste
Registered: Jan 25, 2010
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douglasf13 wrote:

I'm currently going viewfinder-less at the moment, but we'll see if it lasts.


You have now entered the hall of shame
sebboh wrote:i'm also hoping a higher res evf will be announced sometime soon since the next NEX-7 is rumored to have a higher res evf.



Well I'm hoping it'll be better, more customisable, and with a LOCK. That's what I'm hoping in the "next evf". Whether we ever get one, I dunno...



philip_pj
Registered: Apr 03, 2009
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I tried to be kind by not commenting on the 6 stops recovery, but here I am.

It's all settings off for me, interesting to hear the IR comes up faster with a jpeg option on. Distortion is 50/50 for my work, so it's off.

EVF, I love setting up with them and being able to keep the camera at the eye level for setup, shooting and review.

Maybe Sony could provide a fix for the EVF mount for existing units, would be sad to see it take a tumble down a hillside. Mine never leaves the camera, even got a bag to suit.



douglasf13
Registered: Apr 09, 2008
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sebboh wrote:
oh, i always keep vignetting correction, CA correction, and distortion correction turned off.

i'd rather decide after the fact whether they're helpful. most shots end up getting CA correction done in lightroom, but pretty much only cityscapes get distortion correction (i generally find people pictures to be improved by keeping the distortion), and i almost always add vignetting rather than correcting for it.



Only the vignetting correction seems to get written to the raw, so it doesn't really matter with the CA and distortion correction. I only correct my camera distortion about half of the time in the raw converter, but I leave distortion correction on, because I'd rather be surprised with more of the scene, rather than less.

I agree about people pics. Unless their faces are centered in the middle of the frame, the barrel distortion tends to make people look better.



douglasf13
Registered: Apr 09, 2008
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ricardovaste wrote:
douglasf13 wrote:

I'm currently going viewfinder-less at the moment, but we'll see if it lasts.


You have now entered the hall of shame


Ha! I know, I'm really circling the drain. Ever since I got my laser eye surgery, I can focus very well up close, so the LCD is like a big EVF when only 7" from my face. This whole LCD shooting thing may not be as bad as I once thought. Oddly enough, I just measured the ground glass of my Hasselblad Vs, and they're about the same diagonal as the RX1's LCD, so I guess I should be used to it.



ricardovaste
Registered: Jan 25, 2010
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Trying to redeem yourself by referencing your Hasselblad



douglasf13
Registered: Apr 09, 2008
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ricardovaste wrote:
Trying to redeem yourself by referencing your Hasselblad


Nope. Just realizing that I've been a bit snobby in not taking the rear LCD seriously as a viewing method, and it is starting to become my favorite method of viewing on the RX1, which makes sense, since EVF is to pentaprism as LCD is to ground glass.

Despite having the nice tilt, my NEX LCDs were effectively smaller, because they used a different image ratio, and the quality wasn't as good, so I never took to them like I have with the RX1's LCD.



Tariq Gibran
Registered: Oct 01, 2006
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Douglas, I'm curious. When you use the LCD during shooting, do you just quickly glance at it or do you spend a lot of time looking at it?



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