Why VR or IS???
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nugeny
Registered: Jan 22, 2004
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I used to shoot Canon 500/4 IS and then Nikon 300 VR. I am not strong enough to handhold any of these lenses+monster cameras. So they are always on tripod.
the question is why do we buy IS/VR when we have to shoot on tripod any way? Exception of course for very few hunks out there who can Handhold them.



PeterP1D
Registered: May 18, 2010
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Espresso hops me up enough to want to handhold. IS makes it possible



EB-1
Registered: Jan 09, 2003
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Seriously, the answer is why not. IQ is not much affected by the minimal use of extra glass in the long lenses and VR/IS helps rather often at high magnification. 95% of the time my 500/4 IS is used on a beanbag or (briefly) handheld. Sometimes it is on a monopod and rarely on a tripod. I used to use a 300/2.8 IS handheld rather often as well. You don't have to be very strong to handle that for short periods.

EBH



TDiamond
Registered: Aug 15, 2011
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Might be different if you used a monopod



chez
Registered: Nov 26, 2003
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You are telling me you cannot hand hold a 300mm lens. Then I guess IS is not meant for you, but for the majority of photos that either hand hold or possibly use a monopod, the IS is a god send.



jdben622
Registered: Apr 20, 2003
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500, 300, and 200 are quite hand-holdable.



nugeny
Registered: Jan 22, 2004
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chez wrote:
You are telling me you cannot hand hold a 300mm lens. Then I guess IS is not meant for you, but for the majority of photos that either hand hold or possibly use a monopod, the IS is a god send.


I used monopod on a cruise ship---tripod was no no--- and the images I got were really sharp without IS/VR. I will buy a 400/2.8 with VR, just because it comes with all the modern glass and coating and better AF, not because of VR. Have no choice but to pay for VR.



nugeny
Registered: Jan 22, 2004
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jdben622 wrote:
500, 300, and 200 are quite hand-holdable.


Are 6ft and 250 lbs? and go to the gym daily?



jdben622
Registered: Apr 20, 2003
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6' 2" and 225#



But it's more technique than strength. You need to form a triangular brace with your weak arm to steady the lens...just like shooting a rifle.



nugeny
Registered: Jan 22, 2004
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jdben622 wrote:
6' 2" and 225#



But it's more technique than strength. You need to form a triangular brace with your weak arm to steady the lens...just like shooting a rifle.


Well, easy to say when you have the strength. Want to trade with me?, 70 yo, 5ft6 and 150lbs?
Actually I am happy the way I have been. No need for VR with tri/monopod.



sjms
Registered: Mar 21, 2003
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thats why they have that on/off switch. use at your leisure, want, need.



chez
Registered: Nov 26, 2003
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nugeny wrote:
chez wrote:
You are telling me you cannot hand hold a 300mm lens. Then I guess IS is not meant for you, but for the majority of photos that either hand hold or possibly use a monopod, the IS is a god send.


I used monopod on a cruise ship---tripod was no no--- and the images I got were really sharp without IS/VR. I will buy a 400/2.8 with VR, just because it comes with all the modern glass and coating and better AF, not because of VR. Have no choice but to pay for VR.


Depends what shutter speed you were using. Also depends on what you are shooting with your big lens. Birds in flight are very challenging to shoot off of a tripod.



EB-1
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chez wrote:
Depends what shutter speed you were using. Also depends on what you are shooting with your big lens. Birds in flight are very challenging to shoot off of a tripod.


I would say it is the opposite. Usually it is better to shoot BIF hand held than use a tripod.

EBH



nugeny
Registered: Jan 22, 2004
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EB-1 wrote:
chez wrote:
Depends what shutter speed you were using. Also depends on what you are shooting with your big lens. Birds in flight are very challenging to shoot off of a tripod.


I would say it is the opposite. Usually it is better to shoot BIF hand held than use a tripod.

EBH


The biggest lens I can confortabley handhold is 70-200. For BIF I am with Chez. It is great with a good tripod and ballhead+sidekick or similar.



droopy1592
Registered: May 26, 2008
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Real men are ready to hand hold at a moment's notice

wait...



chez
Registered: Nov 26, 2003
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EB-1 wrote:
chez wrote:
Depends what shutter speed you were using. Also depends on what you are shooting with your big lens. Birds in flight are very challenging to shoot off of a tripod.


I would say it is the opposite. Usually it is better to shoot BIF hand held than use a tripod.

EBH


Exactly what I said



HerbChong
Registered: Dec 02, 2005
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i don't know. i hand hold my 200-400/4 almost exclusively and i am smaller than you. if you have lousy technique, even 28mm shots can be ruined.

Herb...

nugeny wrote:
Well, easy to say when you have the strength. Want to trade with me?, 70 yo, 5ft6 and 150lbs?
Actually I am happy the way I have been. No need for VR with tri/monopod.



jcolwell
Registered: Feb 10, 2005
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EB-1 wrote:
chez wrote:
Depends what shutter speed you were using. Also depends on what you are shooting with your big lens. Birds in flight are very challenging to shoot off of a tripod.


I would say it is the opposite. Usually it is better to shoot BIF hand held than use a tripod.

EBH


Agreed. Racing motorcycles, too. IS generally turned off for this. Maybe in Mode 2 (Canon) for predictable trajectories.



nugeny
Registered: Jan 22, 2004
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HerbChong wrote:
i don't know. i hand hold my 200-400/4 almost exclusively and i am smaller than you. if you have lousy technique, even 28mm shots can be ruined.

Herb...

nugeny wrote:
Well, easy to say when you have the strength. Want to trade with me?, 70 yo, 5ft6 and 150lbs?
Actually I am happy the way I have been. No need for VR with tri/monopod.



Thanks for the genreous compliment, Herb. I do have a lousy tech. It is hard to do it just few times a year. I wish I was a bobot. That is why the tri/monopod is my friend.
Bob



jcolwell
Registered: Feb 10, 2005
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nugeny wrote:
... I wish I was a bobot. That is why the tri/monopod is my friend.
Bob


Bobot. Is that a robot from Planet Bob?

I can see it now... "Danger, Will Robinson!" Robot BOB9's arms are akimbo and wildly waving about. Left arm is a Nikkor *ED 400/2.8 IF MF; "the smasher". Right arm is a Canon EF 1200/5.6 L USM; "the finder". Who needs VR or IS. This is old school bot stuff.



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