1.4/35 ZE vs. 2/35 ZF vs 1.4/35 C/Y
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Ajay C
Registered: Apr 30, 2007
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Wayne S. and I went out on a mini photo walk around my neighborhood to try Wayne's C/Y 1.4/35, 2/35 ZF and my new 1.4/35 ZE. No brickwall shooting here, we both just tried to shoot identically composed scenes and see how these three 35mm's rendered. Wayne was also kind enough to let me try his Contax N 1.4/85 - a marvelous optic, and he also got some birding done

No PP on any of my images except for adjusting black levels, and/or contrast in a few cases. I sharpened these images for web size (1024 px long edge).

PS: Zenfolio only allows me to share 800 px images on the long edge. Go here for the original 1024px resized pix (http://ajayc.zenfolio.com/)

Here are the images from the 1.4/35 ZE.

http://ajayc.zenfolio.com/img/s1/v22/p164836753-4.jpg

http://ajayc.zenfolio.com/img/s10/v16/p64358727-4.jpg

http://ajayc.zenfolio.com/img/s3/v26/p471424757-4.jpg

http://ajayc.zenfolio.com/img/s1/v22/p374575923-4.jpg

http://ajayc.zenfolio.com/img/s3/v23/p202659831-5.jpg

http://ajayc.zenfolio.com/img/s3/v25/p165100975-4.jpg

http://ajayc.zenfolio.com/img/s1/v19/p366980005-4.jpg

http://ajayc.zenfolio.com/img/s3/v26/p75284659-5.jpg



cuonghuutran
Registered: Mar 24, 2005
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Photo links do not work. They say "Content Protected by Owner"



Ajay C
Registered: Apr 30, 2007
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^ Fixed now. Thanks.



wayne seltzer
Registered: Dec 22, 2007
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Ajay,
Color saturation and smooth bokeh look very nice with your new 35/1.4.

Ajay was kind enough to let me use his new 35/1.4.
Ajay took all his shots both at f1.4 and f2 so that we could compare to my C/Y 35/1.4 and my ZF 35/2.
The ZE 35/1.4 was not hard for me to focus and has a nice longer throw.
Colors are more saturated and it renders tougher high contrast edges like backlit tree branches very well.Size and weight wise, the lens was balanced on my 1ds3.
This lens is a smooth operator.
I will try to post my shots soon.



auriga
Registered: Apr 08, 2011
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it say that in Italy will be released in mid-May, the wait is unnerving...i've or ... posted 1.4 more shots at different distances, you are great thanks



auriga
Registered: Apr 08, 2011
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i've order one of this ze 35 1.4...it's a fantastic lens i think



antifire
Registered: Sep 14, 2010
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that last shot is cool. i only see the 1.4 shots, where are the f2's?



abhijeeth
Registered: Aug 09, 2009
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Beautiful shots as usual Ajay! Will be looking at this thread with interest!



denoir
Registered: Feb 11, 2010
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Nice shots guys, but did you actually shoot the new and old 35/1.4 side by side as implied by the thread title?



wayne seltzer
Registered: Dec 22, 2007
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yes, the shots I posted above are either my 35/1.4 at f1.4 or my ZF 35/2 at f2 except for the last shot which was from my Contax N 85.
We tried to do the same framing but it was not exact since we were shooting without a tripod.
One difference is I was shooting with my 1ds3 and Ajay was using his 5d2.



plasticmotif
Registered: Sep 23, 2010
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label them, i can't figure out which is which.



denoir
Registered: Feb 11, 2010
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wayne seltzer wrote:
yes, the shots I posted above are either my 35/1.4 at f1.4 or my ZF 35/2 at f2 except for the last shot which was from my Contax N 85.
We tried to do the same framing but it was not exact since we were shooting without a tripod.
One difference is I was shooting with my 1ds3 and Ajay was using his 5d2.


Yes, but I meant CY 35/1.4 vs ZE 35/1.4, not the ZE 35/2...



Jochenb
Registered: May 25, 2010
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Country: Belgium

Thanks guys, but some remarks:

It would be nicer if all shots were processed the same way and were posted at the same size.
(This would maybe be easier if one of you edits all shots.)

Now it's a bit difficult to compare.



auriga
Registered: Apr 08, 2011
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Country: Italy

even make some crops of c/y and ze...crops at 1.4 to compare sharpness and haze



oldvolk
Registered: Mar 21, 2011
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And bring me a beer, Saison Dupont, and whatever my friends are having.

We appreciate your time, so make your VS thread worthwhile. Organize it.



keira007
Registered: Mar 14, 2011
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denoir wrote:
Nice shots guys, but did you actually shoot the new and old 35/1.4 side by side as implied by the thread title?


I think all the posts have some pretty comparable posts from those two. They are not the exact framing but still give some impressions.



you2
Registered: Nov 06, 2005
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Is it my imagination or do both the ze have noticeably better bokeh than the old c/y ?



newtophoto
Registered: Apr 21, 2010
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So 35/2 or 35/1.4? I still can't decide which



lms1
Registered: Feb 03, 2004
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Ajay:

Liked all the shots with the new 35F1.4. But that last one
really was perfect. Just got the 35f1.4 Zeiss myself.


Larry



wayne seltzer
Registered: Dec 22, 2007
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Country: United States

you2 wrote:
Is it my imagination or do both the ze have noticeably better bokeh than the old c/y ?


The new ZE/35/1.4 has the best bokeh as its undercorrected spherical-aberration design trades-off having more haze/less contrast/sharpness wide open to f2.8, for smoother bokeh and the slow focus transition/falloff of objects in the bokeh which retain shape longer further away from focal plane. Read Zeiss CLN35 DOF and Bokeh article on this which explains this behavior. This behavior is very different from other Zeiss lenses. You can see this in the red dogwood flower shot. Objects in the background behind the flower still retain basic shape but are smoothly blurred while the old 35/1.4 does what a normally corrected lens does and just blurs those objects and basic shape is not retained as well as so it is harder to determine what that background object is.
You would also see this behavior in portraits which Ajay has posted to the 35/1.4 thread. The new 35/1.4 shot wide open renders the front of the face and back towards the ears with similar sharpness with the blur transition being very slow and smooth. Whereas the old 35/1.4 acts more like any other zeiss lens as it is very sharp and no haze at the front of the face and then quickly transitons and focus starts falling off very abruptly and without retaining shape in objects further away from the focus plane like the ears which would be much more blurred, with less retained shape. Obviously, the new lens is much more flattering for beauty and more flattering portraits which is why Zeiss designed the lens this way. You probably would not want this lens and would want the old 35/1.4 if you were taking a portrait of an old person on the street where you wanted to show every wrinkle and detail of their face without any softening effect.
Hope that description makes sense.

You can see in the shots which were shot with all three 35's, that the ZE35/1.4 and 35/2 both handle harsh high contrast areas better, less likely to blowout. In less contrasty light the old 35/1.4 has bokeh which is less contrasty and less hardly-defined than the 35/2 and the ZE 35/1.4 ( when its stopped down). This is similar to the difference between 50/1.4 P bokeh and 50MP bokeh.

The difference in subject isolation and 3-d between the new ZE 35/1.4 and the old C/Y 35/1.4 depends on your definition of 3-d and your preference on either obliterating the shape of objects in the background or keeping their basic shape and just blurring them a bit. Like in one of Ajay's nice portrait shots, you can see the green hedge in the background with a lot more basic form and detail of each leaf but blurred a bit so that it is nice and smooth. The old 35/1.4 would obliterate the basic shape of the leaves in the hedge and you would get more of just a green blurred blob like any fast normally SA corrected lens which you may or may not like more.Depends if you want people to make out what is in the background or not.

About 3-d, I would think that a fast focus transitioning lens like the old 35/1.4 would give you more chances of getting the 3-d look compared to a slower transtioning lens like the new 35/1.4. I think the mailbox shots with the ivy show the old 35/1.4 having more 3-d pop than the new 35/1.4.

Just my $0.02 and I want people to know that I like the new 35/1.4 and might end up getting it one day to join my other two Zeiss 35's to use for beauty portraits and flower/garden shots.
Because of huge cost and weight differences and different rendering strengths/behavior, no one zeiss 35 design can be said to be the best. Which one you choose is a personal decision.





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