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Re: ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


darbo, below are some more samples. From most images posted on this and previous pages I have shoot also other apertures. If you wish to see other apertures or bigger size just let me know via PM or this thread (I read this thread usually daily) - and I mean what I say, I have got so much from this forum that I'm very willing to help others if I can.



It's way too early to make any final conclusions, but if comparing to Makro-Planar T* 2/100, which I have shoot as my main tele lens since ZF series 2/100 came available in 2008, later upgrading to ZE. I would say these are main differences I have noticed this far:
1. APO-Sonnar (AS) has always smooth bokeh, where Makro-Planar (MP) bokeh can be very nervous and edgy at widest apertures
1.1 Partly caused by the light distribution in the bokeh highlight "balls" - MP has more light concentrated to edges of the "balls", where AS has even light concentration and softer edges of the "balls"
1.2 MP has huge vignetting at large distances wide open, making effective aperture at corners of the image to be smaller than in the middle = uneven bokeh over the frame. AS seems to have less vignetting (but the price of that is that it's HUGE and weights more).
2. MP has very strong tendency to create bokeh CA, green/magenta in both sides of focus plane. This is very annoying when for example photographing car on top of wet asphalt; there typically is green and magenta "tint" before and after the focus plane. With AS I have not even seen hint of bokeh CA OR CA in focus plane.
3. AS has better contrast and micro contrast wide open than MP. Most of the time when I focus with live view (I have JPG settings so that the sharpening is to the maximum, don't affect to RAW file what I shoot but makes focusing much easier) the image jumps to focus with AS and I have nailed focus in whole frame view about 7 out 10 times = 3 of 10 I needed to focus on 10x magnification view.
4. DOF is much more shorter in AS than focal length difference would make me to believe. With AS I can separate subject from the background very clearly even the subject would be 20meters (~60feet) away and the background is 25meters (~75feet)
5. MP needs to be closed down to f/2.5-3.5 to get the best subject to background separation (contrast plays role as well, not just DOF). While AS gets maximum separation wide open. I don't see much improvement in contrast or micro contrast when closing down the lens.
6. AS seems to have tendency to create "swirly bokeh" from texture/feature rich background - see the 3 last samples below. This may happen with MP, but it's quite rare and I haven't seen it happening many times. Personally I like this kind of bokeh, but I guess it's question of one's preferences again.

For me as "forest photographer" bokeh is one of the most important factors in lenses, this far I see only improvements in AS compared to MP.

Reading above please take into account:
a) I haven't shot any close-ups yet (largest magnification maybe 1:6 in few photos), mostly just the kind of photos you have seen me post here
b) I haven't shot any human made stuff/"urban" stuff, just my usual nature stuff
c) I have shoot the way I shoot; using live view and LCDVF to shoot camera normally despite using live view, haven't used optical viewfinder even once with the lens
d) I haven't and will not shoot any side by side stuff, short spring and summer has begin in Finland and it's priority for me to use all the shooting time for the real stuff, not "lens review/comparison"




Carl Zeiss APO-Sonnar T* 2/135 @ f/2.0, 1/s, 5DmkII@ISO100


Carl Zeiss APO-Sonnar T* 2/135 @ f/2.0, 1/s, 5DmkII@ISO100 - larger


Carl Zeiss APO-Sonnar T* 2/135 @ f/2.0, 1/s, 5DmkII@ISO100


Carl Zeiss APO-Sonnar T* 2/135 @ f/2.0, 1/s, 5DmkII@ISO100


Carl Zeiss APO-Sonnar T* 2/135 @ f/2.0, 1/s, 5DmkII@ISO100 - larger


Carl Zeiss APO-Sonnar T* 2/135 @ f/2.0, 1/s, 5DmkII@ISO100 - larger


Carl Zeiss APO-Sonnar T* 2/135 @ f/2.0, 1/s, 5DmkII@ISO100



Tomorrow hopefully it will be OK weather and we may have more samples...

Samuli

EDIT corrected about 20 typos, so 50 more remaining...



May 03, 2013 at 05:24 PM
Samuli Vahonen
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Re: ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


darbo, below are some more samples. From most images posted on this and previous pages I have shoot also other apertures. If you wish to see other apertures or bigger size just let me know via PM or this thread (I read this thread usually daily) - and I mean what I say, I have got so much from this forum that I'm very willing to help others if I can.



It's way too early to make any final conclusions, but if comparing to Makro-Planar T* 2/100, which I have shoot as my main tele lens since ZF series 2/100 came available in 2008, later upgrading to ZE. I would say these are main differences I have noticed this far:
1. APO-Sonnar (AS) has always smooth bokeh, where Makro-Planar (MP) bokeh can be very nervous and edgy at widest apertures
1.1 Partly caused by light distribution in bokeh highlight "balls" - MP has more light concentrated to edges of "balls", where AS has even light concentration and softer edges of "balls"
1.2 MP has huge vignetting at large distances wide open, making effective aperture at corners of image to be smaller than in middle = uneven bokeh over the frame. AS seems to have less vignetting (but the price of that is that it's HUGE and weights more).
2. MP has very strong tendency to create bokeh CA, green/magenta in both sides of focus plane. This is very annoying when for example photographing car on top of wet asphalt, there typically is green and magenta "tint" before and after the focus plane. With AS I have not even seen hint of any of this OR CA in focus plane.
3. AS has better contrast and micro contrast wide open than MP. Most of the time when i focus with live view (I have JPG settings so that sharpening is maximum, don't affect to RAW file what I shoot but makes focusing easier) the image jumps to focus with AS and I have nailed focus in whole frame view about 7 out 10 times = 3 of 10 I needed to focus on 10x.
4. DOF is shorter in much more shorter in AS than focal length difference would make me to believe. With AS I can separate subject from background very clearly even subject would be 20meters (~60feet) away and background is 25meters (~75feet)
5. MP needs to be closed down to f/2.5-3.5 to get best subject background separation (contrast plays role as well, not just DOF), while AS gets maximum separation wide open and I don't see much improvement in contrast or micro contrast when closing down the lens.
6. AS seems to have tendency to create "swirly bokeh" from texture/feature rich background - see 3 last samples below. This may happen with MP, but it's quite rare and I haven't seen it happen many times. Personally I like this kind of bokeh, but I guess it's question of one's preferences again.

For me as "forest photographer" bokeh is one of the most important factors in lenses, this far I see only improvements in AS compared to MP.

Reading above please take into account:
a) haven't shot any close-ups yet (largest magnification maybe 1:6 in few photos), mostly just the kind of photos you have seen me post here
b) haven't shot any human made stuff/"urban" stuff, just my usual nature stuff
c) have shoot the way I shoot; using live view and LCDVF to shoot camera normally despite using live view, haven't used optical viewfinder even once with the lens
d) haven't and will not shoot any side by side stuff, short spring and summer has begin in Finland and it's priority for me to use all the shooting time for the real stuff, not "lens review/comparison"




Carl Zeiss APO-Sonnar T* 2/135 @ f/2.0, 1/s, 5DmkII@ISO100


Carl Zeiss APO-Sonnar T* 2/135 @ f/2.0, 1/s, 5DmkII@ISO100 - larger


Carl Zeiss APO-Sonnar T* 2/135 @ f/2.0, 1/s, 5DmkII@ISO100


Carl Zeiss APO-Sonnar T* 2/135 @ f/2.0, 1/s, 5DmkII@ISO100


Carl Zeiss APO-Sonnar T* 2/135 @ f/2.0, 1/s, 5DmkII@ISO100 - larger


Carl Zeiss APO-Sonnar T* 2/135 @ f/2.0, 1/s, 5DmkII@ISO100 - larger


Carl Zeiss APO-Sonnar T* 2/135 @ f/2.0, 1/s, 5DmkII@ISO100



Tomorrow hopefully OK weather and we may have more samples...

Samuli



May 03, 2013 at 04:18 PM



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