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StevenPA Offline Buy and Sell: On Registered: Jan 05, 2004 Total Posts: 2172 Country: Korea, South Re: Cosina lunch new primes for F & KA Lotusm50 wrote: Andi's sample images from the ZF 50 were uniformly excellent. He also spoke quite highly of it. I did notice a something of a glow in the wide open shot, but other posters suggested that was fairly common and potentially situation-based. I'll see if that effect is duplicated in my wide-open samples. Hopefully, I can get some samples over the next day or so, and potentially a side-by-side comparison with the Contax c/y 50/1.4. Hopefully adapter issues won't get in the way of decent comparison. I'm looking forward to your samples, Lotus, and I hope you feel well enough to not be uncomfortable when you're taking the pics. I can't remember Andi's thread too clearly as it was a while ago, but I remember thinking the glow effect the lens produced was visible at apertures other than wide open, and also recall thinking, well, it's a nice effect, dreamy-like, but would I want to deal with that all the time? If you're testing does elicit the same effect, I wonder if you could try to do something half artistic with it to show it in a good light because surely that dreaminess is good for something if in fact it exists on your copy too. Nov 28, 2007 at 03:58 PM

Andi Dietrich Offline Image Upload: Off Registered: Nov 13, 2005 Total Posts: 2899 Country: N/A Re: Cosina lunch new primes for F & KA StevenPA wrote: I can't remember Andi's thread too clearly . correct StevenPA wrote: but I remember thinking the glow effect the lens produced was visible at apertures other than wide open,. wrong Nov 28, 2007 at 06:35 PM

ISO1600 Offline Buy and Sell: On Registered: Jul 06, 2005 Total Posts: 1814 Country: Japan Re: Cosina lunch new primes for F & KA I wonder how this 58/1.4 will perform... Nov 28, 2007 at 10:58 PM

eosslr Offline Buy and Sell: On Registered: Mar 29, 2007 Total Posts: 297 Country: United States Re: Cosina lunch new primes for F & KA ISO1600 wrote: I wonder how this 58/1.4 will perform... I ordered one for myself, can't wait. I'm in general impressed with Voigtlander SL series - not quite a bargain, but so far really good image quality (at least with the lenses I''ve tested) Nov 29, 2007 at 12:55 AM

StevenPA Offline Buy and Sell: On Registered: Jan 05, 2004 Total Posts: 2172 Country: Korea, South Re: Cosina lunch new primes for F & KA Andi Dietrich wrote: StevenPA wrote: I can't remember Andi's thread too clearly . correct Not really something I needed confirmed, but thank you. StevenPA wrote: but I remember thinking the glow effect the lens produced was visible at apertures other than wide open,. wrong Care to elaborate? Or better still, could you put the images back onto your server. They're gone from the original thread. http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic2/557204/0 Nov 29, 2007 at 05:05 AM

loudtiger Offline Buy and Sell: On Registered: Jun 07, 2004 Total Posts: 1303 Country: United States Re: Cosina lunch new primes for F & KA not to derail the thread, but here are some wide open ZF 50/1.4 shots with some "glow" http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2387/2056620520_7251aab213_o.jpg http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2010/2056620516_9f97898872_o.jpg http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2156/2056620524_9f0c7e424d_o.jpg and here is one without glow, also wide open http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2417/2058580900_2e64c3625a_o.jpg let me know if you want any more pictures. the ZF 50/1.4 is my walkaround setup everyday. Nov 29, 2007 at 06:01 AM

Andi Dietrich Offline Image Upload: Off Registered: Nov 13, 2005 Total Posts: 2899 Country: N/A Re: Cosina lunch new primes for F & KA StevenPA wrote: Care to elaborate? Or better still, could you put the images back onto your server. They're gone from the original thread. http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic2/557204/0 No, I dont care. If other people believe their lens is better it s ok. I actually dont know why people want to bash the ZF line. They say it has too much CA, an ugly bokeh and is not sharp, nothing is true. That is why I made that thread a while ago and not to proove that this lens is in any way better than any other. Actually all current 50mm lens designs are Planar design, they are different in some way but most of them deliver a correct image quality, including the Canon. Nov 29, 2007 at 10:29 AM

StevenPA Offline Buy and Sell: On Registered: Jan 05, 2004 Total Posts: 2172 Country: Korea, South Re: Cosina lunch new primes for F & KA Andi Dietrich wrote: StevenPA wrote: Care to elaborate? Or better still, could you put the images back onto your server. They're gone from the original thread. http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic2/557204/0 No, I dont care. If other people believe their lens is better it s ok. I actually dont know why people want to bash the ZF line. They say it has too much CA, an ugly bokeh and is not sharp, nothing is true. That is why I made that thread a while ago and not to proove that this lens is in any way better than any other. Actually all current 50mm lens designs are Planar design, they are different in some way but most of them deliver a correct image quality, including the Canon. That's cool. I can see that this particular conversation is going nowhere fast, so I'll bow out as I don't even own the lens. I apologize if I've given the impression that I was out to bash it. Far from it, I find the new offerings from Zeiss very interesting (as I said earlier this thread). However, I don't want to sit behind a brand name and claim superiority. You apparently don't want to do this either, which is, as you say, why you put the samples up in the first place. I just wanted to see them again to (dis)confirm an (in)correct memory. Nov 29, 2007 at 11:03 AM

Lotusm50 Offline Image Upload: Off Registered: Sep 26, 2005 Total Posts: 3184 Country: United States Re: Cosina lunch new primes for F & KA Well, I got out and made a quick snap. ZF 50mm/1.4 Wide open. I don't think that there is really all that much of the hazy glow that was mentioned. As I indicated above, it's appearance might be situational. Bokeh and color are quite nice. It's not exceptionally sharp wide open, but it is certainly OK, and in line with expectations for the lens. Hopefully I'll get to a comparison with the Contax c/y 50/1.4 sometime soon. Nov 29, 2007 at 04:31 PM

Andi Dietrich Offline Image Upload: Off Registered: Nov 13, 2005 Total Posts: 2899 Country: N/A Re: Cosina lunch new primes for F & KA StevenPA wrote: I just wanted to see them again to (dis)confirm an (in)correct memory. Could not find them anymore, here are some wide open shots, I guess the glow you were remembering were on a infinity shot at f1.4. Here some more samples http://www.andidietrich.com/fm/zf_samples.zip Dec 01, 2007 at 01:52 PM

StevenPA Offline Buy and Sell: On Registered: Jan 05, 2004 Total Posts: 2172 Country: Korea, South Re: Cosina lunch new primes for F & KA Thanks very much for going to the trouble, Andi. The more samples I see from this lens, the more I like it. Lotus' sample pic above looks great on my monitor, and the full res pics in the zip file look great as well. What kind of sharpening did you apply? Regarding the "glow" wide open, the pic that exhibited it most from your thread a while back must have been the result of a combination of factors, none the least of which were demanding lighting conditions and wide open at infinity. I noticed the "glow" immediately because I've seen somewhat similar behaviour from my 35-70/3.4 wide open and wanted to explore whether or not it was part of the Zeiss design or whether it was an unwanted side-effect. My curiosity has been satisfied (again, thanks); now someone please pass me a Nikon half-body (ala D300) with a FF sensor in it so I can dump my Canon gear and move on over to auto exposure Zeiss! :D Dec 01, 2007 at 02:07 PM

ISO1600 Offline Buy and Sell: On Registered: Jul 06, 2005 Total Posts: 1814 Country: Japan Re: Cosina lunch new primes for F & KA Steven, you and I are two totally different minds then in this regard, as i can't stand how the ZF's bokeh has that soft/visceral "glow" to it... it doesn't look right to me, and pretty much makes me uncomfortable. haha Dec 01, 2007 at 02:24 PM

StevenPA Offline Buy and Sell: On Registered: Jan 05, 2004 Total Posts: 2172 Country: Korea, South Re: Cosina lunch new primes for F & KA ISO1600 wrote: Steven, you and I are two totally different minds then in this regard, as i can't stand how the ZF's bokeh has that soft/visceral "glow" to it... it doesn't look right to me, and pretty much makes me uncomfortable. haha Yes, I know. We're going to have to agree to disagree. I know you like that more defined, "hard" bokeh. Let's not fight. :D Dec 01, 2007 at 02:32 PM

weekh Offline Buy and Sell: On Registered: Sep 05, 2004 Total Posts: 1119 Country: N/A Re: Cosina lunch new primes for F & KA ZF 50 Glow I've noticed that at wide open, the pictures produced by the ZF 50mm looks as if it was taken with a soft filter placed in front of the lens. This is most noticeable from shots taken with subjects at infinity because the softness is blended away with the out of focus bokeh. Once the lens is stopped down, this softness or glow will disappear. I'm not sure if this is a lens defect but the softness is kind of interesting and I don't really mind having it. I wonder if the C/Y version display such glow too. Dec 01, 2007 at 02:50 PM

ISO1600 Offline Buy and Sell: On Registered: Jul 06, 2005 Total Posts: 1814 Country: Japan Re: Cosina lunch new primes for F & KA From what i've seen, the C/Y version looks TOTALLY different... but this is the kind of discussion that i made teh "ZF 50 vs Nikkor 50" thread for :( Dec 01, 2007 at 03:30 PM

Lotusm50 Offline Image Upload: Off Registered: Sep 26, 2005 Total Posts: 3184 Country: United States Re: Cosina lunch new primes for F & KA I guess I'll have to get my butt in gear and churn out that ZF 50/1.4 -- C/Y 50/1.4 comparison. Maybe I'll get a chance to do something today. Here is an old image that I know was taken wide-open with the C/Y 50/1.4. I don't think the look is "TOTALLY" different. But then some of us are more prone to overstatement than others, or are just more sensitive to differences that are really pretty small. Dec 01, 2007 at 04:11 PM

ISO1600 Offline Buy and Sell: On Registered: Jul 06, 2005 Total Posts: 1814 Country: Japan Re: Cosina lunch new primes for F & KA i think the C/Y 1.4 (well, the 1.7 also) have a VERY nice look to them, with a very smooth background... the ZF just seems very "unruly" to me (to quote my good friend Steven). Dec 03, 2007 at 03:03 PM

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