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DonH Offline Image Upload: Off Registered: Mar 23, 2003 Total Posts: 7287 Country: United States Re: I have seen the future ... Horseshoe Bend processed with Pano Tools. You've seen this one in a previous post. Aug 12, 2004 at 05:50 AM

DonH Offline Image Upload: Off Registered: Mar 23, 2003 Total Posts: 7287 Country: United States Re: I have seen the future ... Horseshoe Bend processed with Digital Image Pro 10. Edited by DonH on Aug 11, 2004 at 10:14 PM GMT Aug 12, 2004 at 05:51 AM

DonH Offline Image Upload: Off Registered: Mar 23, 2003 Total Posts: 7287 Country: United States Re: I have seen the future ... Sorry about the color. Converting to sRGB from Adobe seems to affect these colors quite a lot and adds some saturation, as well. Does anyone have an idea why the shift? I convert to sRGB then when I hit Save For Web I get this huge color shift that is very visible in PS before I save the web shot. Is there something I'm missing in Preferences? Somewhere else? Edited by DonH on Aug 11, 2004 at 10:16 PM GMT Aug 12, 2004 at 05:52 AM

DonH Offline Image Upload: Off Registered: Mar 23, 2003 Total Posts: 7287 Country: United States Re: I have seen the future ... Tim wrote: This a pretty exciting piece of software. It is worth the price for just stitching if it works as expected. Have you considered doing a test with your Horseshoe Bend stitch with (I think) Panorama tools? It would be an interesting comparison. BTW, does Max Lyons know about this software? Thanks for the update. I look forward to more posts. Oh, I kind of forgot, Really great image. Tim, see post above. I suspect that Max is aware of this technology because Bill Gates gave a demo of it at a conference a few months back. I know that hit the newswire. David wrote: How would you compare this with the PhotoShop photomerge? I have only played with the photomerge a little and was underwelmed by it. What does the sticher in image-pro bring to the table? Sorry David. Although I have PS/CS, I haven't tried photomerge yet so I can't make an accurate comparison. Aug 12, 2004 at 05:52 AM

harveyc Offline Image Upload: Off Registered: Sep 25, 2003 Total Posts: 1514 Country: United States Re: I have seen ... (new panos) Wow! Thanks Don for sharing the info. Sounds easy enough to get a rookie like me to give stitching a try! Aug 12, 2004 at 06:42 AM

Walter Mitty Offline Image Upload: Off Registered: Aug 27, 2003 Total Posts: 1616 Country: United States Re: I have seen ... (new panos) Don, this looks like a very interesting piece of technology. I am definately going to have to consider picking a copy of this up. As it is now, I get great results but only at the expense of many laborious hours spent staring at the computer. I guess I am not a purist, becuase I would gladly spend 10 minutes to get the same results and the rest playing with my daughter. Keep me in the loop on this as you get to better know this program. I am quite impressed this far. Aug 12, 2004 at 01:04 PM

Tim Gray Offline Image Upload: Off Registered: Mar 01, 2002 Total Posts: 796 Country: Canada Re: I have seen ... (new panos) I would assume 8 bit only? Aug 12, 2004 at 07:58 PM

glight Offline Image Upload: Off Registered: Nov 17, 2003 Total Posts: 719 Country: United States Re: I have seen ... (new panos) I just grabbed a copy and it looks like a pretty interetesting tool. I haven't really kicked the tires yet but I did do a quick pano of one that I had done with PS Photomerge and it did a fantastic job. At first blush this was much better then Photomerge. I've used Photomerge quite a bit and I found I achieved the best results by using a convoluted combination of a technique from Scott Kelby's book to balance the color tones, and finalizing with the advance sticking capabilities of photomerge. It works quite well but is very time consuming. MS DIP 10 on the other hand was able to do this automatically and with no visible stitch lines. My disclaimer is that I only tried this with one image so it is in no way an endorsement. I'm going to try it out with a variety of images with different characteristics and if it holds up, it will be my tool of choice for panos. Of course it does a lot of other things too, but I don't plan on giving up PS anytime soon! Aug 12, 2004 at 08:39 PM

Icypeak Offline Image Upload: On Registered: Jul 10, 2003 Total Posts: 1997 Country: United States Re: I have seen ... (new panos) Thanks very much for sharing this info, Don. It sounds very promising, but like the others, I'd like to see how it handles a more challenging stitch with some foreground paralax, light falloff at the sky edges, etc. If it can do OK with that, and automatically set control points, I've found my new stitcher and would gladly pay $80 for that! -David Aug 12, 2004 at 11:31 PM

Buck Forester Offline Image Upload: Off Registered: Jul 12, 2004 Total Posts: 528 Country: United States Re: I have seen ... (new panos) Incredible panos! I'm assuming this program works just the same whether an image was taken with a digital camera or is a scan of film? I think I'll buy this stitching program. I know Bill Gates can use a little help here and there. Aug 12, 2004 at 11:57 PM

harveyc Offline Image Upload: Off Registered: Sep 25, 2003 Total Posts: 1514 Country: United States Re: I have seen ... (new panos) Based on a limited sample of one example that Don did for me in DI Pro 10 and one I did with Photomerge in PS CS, it seems that DI Pro 10 did a better job in matching color. PS CS, on the other hand, seemed to do a better job with the seam. PS CS seemed to select an "intelligent" area to place the seem while the DI Pro 10 seemed to place the seam right in the middle. In this case, it was a shot of a group of people and a seam went through a persons face and it did not look nice. I took another series of shots outside this afternoon with the express purpose of trying out photomerge since I had not used it prior to today. The sky did not match up very well even though each of the 8 shots had the same exposure and I adjusted each to the same temperature, etc. when converting it from RAW. I'm guessing my biggest problem was because I was using a polarizer which is affected by the angle of the sun. In addition, I guess I should be shooting around 31mm with my 1.6x crop drebel. Aug 13, 2004 at 12:50 AM

DonH Offline Image Upload: Off Registered: Mar 23, 2003 Total Posts: 7287 Country: United States Re: I have seen ... (new panos) Gary wrote: I just grabbed a copy and it looks like a pretty interetesting tool. I haven't really kicked the tires yet but I did do a quick pano of one that I had done with PS Photomerge and it did a fantastic job. At first blush this was much better then Photomerge. I've used Photomerge quite a bit and I found I achieved the best results by using a convoluted combination of a technique from Scott Kelby's book to balance the color tones, and finalizing with the advance sticking capabilities of photomerge. It works quite well but is very time consuming. MS DIP 10 on the other hand was able to do this automatically and with no visible stitch lines. My disclaimer is that I only tried this with one image so it is in no way an endorsement. I'm going to try it out with a variety of images with different characteristics and if it holds up, it will be my tool of choice for panos. Of course it does a lot of other things too, but I don't plan on giving up PS anytime soon! Gary, I'm glad there is now more than one of us with this technology. As Harvey will attest on an indoors family portrait, it is not necessarily the best solution for all situations but, I'd venture to say, for most situations that I would shoot (landscape), it will be my first solution and, if found to be lacking, I will give PT a try. Aug 13, 2004 at 02:55 AM

DonH Offline Image Upload: Off Registered: Mar 23, 2003 Total Posts: 7287 Country: United States Re: I have seen ... (new panos) Walter Mitty wrote: Don, this looks like a very interesting piece of technology. I am definately going to have to consider picking a copy of this up. As it is now, I get great results but only at the expense of many laborious hours spent staring at the computer. I guess I am not a purist, becuase I would gladly spend 10 minutes to get the same results and the rest playing with my daughter. Keep me in the loop on this as you get to better know this program. I am quite impressed this far. Playing with one's daughter should be high on the priority list. Tim wrote: I would assume 8 bit only? I'll have to get back to you on that one. David wrote: Thanks very much for sharing this info, Don. It sounds very promising, but like the others, I'd like to see how it handles a more challenging stitch with some foreground paralax, light falloff at the sky edges, etc. If it can do OK with that, and automatically set control points, I've found my new stitcher and would gladly pay $80 for that! If it could do all that, I'd gladly pay quite a bit more. I can only speak for paralax as that doesn't seem to be handled. I can see that in the yellow FG plant above. Buck wrote: Incredible panos! I'm assuming this program works just the same whether an image was taken with a digital camera or is a scan of film? I think I'll buy this stitching program. I know Bill Gates can use a little help here and there. Well, I suspect you may find more value from the purchase than Bill will derive. :D Aug 13, 2004 at 03:07 AM

Tim ONeill Offline Image Upload: Off Registered: Feb 06, 2003 Total Posts: 7982 Country: United States Re: I have seen ... (new panos) Don, thanks for the PM and updates. I'm not sure about the colors, but the perspective vs. Pano tools is much more pleasing. You are the official FM beta tester for this new software. I figure, a $100 product vs, a Sigma 12-30 zoom for $600...let me think. If this can do even simple 3+ side by side capture with no muss, no fuss, I could accept the price. Please keep doing the research. When you and Jeffrey do the desert again may I carry your gear? I could learn a lot being a caddy for you guys. You guys really stretch the limits of imagery. Aug 13, 2004 at 03:50 AM

DonH Offline Image Upload: Off Registered: Mar 23, 2003 Total Posts: 7287 Country: United States Re: I have seen ... (new panos) I could learn a lot being a caddy for you guys. Wow, with a caddy, maybe I should get that 8x10 outfit I've been eyeing. :D As for the S/W, I'll keep working with it and report on results. BTW, you have a PM. Aug 13, 2004 at 05:07 AM

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