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Rick Krejci
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p.1 #1 · Hands-on: Sigma 18-200 OS


Just had to try out this lens for a walk-around lens when I don't want to cary the bag and stuff...

First impressions...it's a very capable lens! At 18 and 200mm, it's very, very sharp for a superzoom. In between, it's not quite so sharp in the corners, but the center remains quite good.

The OS is effective...similar to the 17-55IS I'd guess.

I had no focus issues at all...ran it through my usual outdoor gamut of focusing on trees and closer objects and it hit every one.

As I said, the middle ranges (24-80 or so) bear further investigating...sometimes the corners can look pretty bad (see the 50f5.jpg in the link below). Can't draw conclusions at this time, just need to try using it like I normally do now that the testing is done.

I compared it against some other lenses I have...the 17-55, 24-105 and the 18-55 that I haven't sold yet It's not as sharp as the 17-55, but closer to that one than to the 18-55. It's a stronger match to the 24-105 than I would have thought considering the much greater range.


You can see some test images here:
http://www.ricksastro.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=1173

Rick Krejci



Jun 22, 2007 at 09:53 PM
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p.1 #2 · Hands-on: Sigma 18-200 OS


It seems that the sigma has more chromatic aberration than the other two in your tests. The bokeh seems more harsh as well. It seems to me that with this being a newer lens that they might have addressed these issues a little more.

I hope to see more of these tests to see how they compare to other lenses. Thanks and look forward to seeing more comparisions from you and you're new lens.



Jun 23, 2007 at 12:18 AM
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p.1 #3 · Hands-on: Sigma 18-200 OS


Wow I'm actually pretty impressed with what the lens has to offer. The lens is obviously not as sharp as the 17-55 or 24-105, but again it is a superzoom and was wide open while the other two were stopped down. And if the OS feels as effective as Canon's IS, that is great news. I am very curious to see other impressions of this lens and how it stacks up against other superzooms.


Jun 23, 2007 at 12:36 AM
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p.1 #4 · Hands-on: Sigma 18-200 OS


Rick Krejci wrote:
As I said, the middle ranges (24-80 or so) bear further investigating...sometimes the corners can look pretty bad (see the 50f5.jpg in the link below). Can't draw conclusions at this time, just need to try using it like I normally do now that the testing is done.


I wonder if it is a DOF or focussing issue, or it coule be a lens decentering issue. As the lower left corner looked sharp and the upper left corner looked horrible.The other 2 corners doesn't look too bad.



Jun 23, 2007 at 02:55 AM
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p.1 #5 · Hands-on: Sigma 18-200 OS


I've been now playing for a few days with my 18-200 OS. Some findings with a 30D:

1) The OS is very efficient. In fact, due to incorrect settings, I did take an image at 200mm with an exposure time of 1/6s and it was quite sharp! However, another try did not succeed. But 1/15s to 1/20s works OK. Sigma states in the original instructions that OS helps 2-3 stops while an addendum changes this into 3-4 stops. That seems to correspond to my experiences. My unverified feeling is that proper settling time (around 1 second) is very important for the best results.

2) At 18mm and 200mm the lens is amazing, even wide open. I think Sigma has seen the statistics that show that zooms are most often used at the extreme ends. There is some softness in the corners but nothing serious. Stopping 1-2 stops gets rid of all of the softness at those focal lengths and then the corners are really sharp.

3) 50mm and 135mm are very good, even wide open, though softness is a bit larger in the corners. 80mm follows quite nearby.

4) 28mm and 35mm, however, are not good. One of the corners shows a strong halation effect (due to spherical aberration?). Stopping down helps but there is some residual left even at f8, though it is visible only at 100% (at 50% it is very hard to see it).

5) At f11 the lens is very hard to distinguish from the 17-55f2.8 IS and 70-200f2.8L IS. In the center I cannot find any difference but in the corners, with the not-so-good focal lengths (28 and 35mm), there is a slight difference. Without comparing side-by-side, it would not be noticeable.

6) At f8 the lens is as good, in the center, as the 17-55 and 70-200. However, the difference becomes more pronounced in the corners.

7) At f5.6 the lens is still very good, except for the corners at 28 and 35, where they show some halation. At the center there is no significant difference to 17-55 and 70-200.

8) At 18mm wide open, the only differences to 17-55 are very softness in the corners, somewhat more distortion and a bit more vignetting.

9) The contrast is very good and I have not noticed big differences to 17-55 and 70-200.

10) The zoom ring is somewhat stiff around 50mm. The overall build quality is higher than a typical Canon zoom but nowhere near an L lens. Not far below a Sigma EX lens, though.

11) At first I was going to return my lens due to inaccurate autofocus, between about 18 and 40mm, in dim light. However, I soon realized that this is true for the 17-55 as well. Both the 17-55 and 18-200 between 18 and 50 slightly backfocus in dim light. However, both the 70-200 and 18-200 above 50mm autofocus more accurate than manual focus. This could be due to the focusing target, which could be too small for wide angle, as I did not move the tripod when changing the focal length.

12) AF accuracy can be increased significantly by using AI Servo and keeping the focusing button pressed until the lens settles down - even with static targets. One Shot focusing makes even large mistakes in dim light.

13) At near focal distances (2 meters), the range 18-50mm corresponds in field of view to that of the 17-55 at the same focal lengths. However, from 80mm to 200mm the field decreases so that at 200mm it corresponds to 135mm of the 70-200. However, near infinity (30 meters), there is no significant difference any more.

14) The manual focusing ring turns with autofocus, making it somewhat hard to grab the lens properly. WIth learning, however, a suitable grab can be found. Manual focus is not well-damped, but not unlike that of many Canon consumer zooms.

15) Using Imatest, the lens shows sharpness below primes, but not too much (20-30% less, depending on the prime). At 28 and 35mm, wide open, the corner sharpness drops over 50% from the center, which is very visible in the images.

16) At 100% crops, no difference in CA to the Canon zooms. When autofocus misfocuses, then some CA is visible in areas of strong contrast.

17) Wide open performance in comparison with 17-55 and 70-200 stopped to the same aperture (thus putting the 18-200 at a serious disadvantage):
- 18 vs 17mm at f3.5: the center is just slightly softer, corners somewhat softer
- 28mm at f4: difficult to see any difference at center; corner very clearly softer and showing prominent halation,
- 35mm at f4.5: just a hint softer at center; corner very clearly softer and showing prominent halation,
- 50 vs 55mm at f5: very difficult to see any difference at center; the corner just a hint softer - not noticeable unless comparing side-by-side,
- 80mm at f5.6: due to the larger image scale of the 70-200, softer at the center, but just relative to the size difference; the corner shows slight halation and is clearly softer,
- 135mm at f5.6: the scale difference is even larger, so hard to judge, but the 70-200 does not seem to have any real detail in the center in spite of the scale difference; the corner much softer,
- 200mm vs 135mm at f6.3: the same image area as the 70-200 at 135mm, but actually sharper in the center; the corner much softer but still usable,
- 200mm at f6.3: the 70-200 has larger scale but not much more detail in the center; the corner a tad softer.

All in all, stands amazingly well against two of Canon's best zooms, even wide open!

18) Autofocus can be heard but is not noisy, in my opinion, especially when compared to e.g. 35f2. OS is so silent that I was not able to hear it at the camera shop - but at home it can be heard to engage and disengage. One of the most silent stabilizers there is - quite near the 17-55.

Overall verdict? At first I was ready to return the lens, due to autofocus inaccuracy, but then saw similar issues with my 17-55, under dim light. In ordinary photographic situations I have gotten simply great images with my 17-55, so I don't really see this as a problem. Using AI Servo seems to get rid of some of the random behaviour of the AF.

Then I was worried about the uneven performance at 28 and 35mm. The Photozone tests show a very steep drop at 35mm for the non-OS version as well, so this is probably a design compromise for the lens (they did not test 28mm separately). However, the extreme ends are very good, and in addition to that 50mm is, too. Rick did not have that much luck at 50mm, though, so this might be sample variation.

If I need the range 28-35, stopping to f11 produces perfect images, while f8 is very good and f5.6 can be used at a pinch. Wide open performance (28 and 35mm at f4 and f4.5) is just not acceptable in the corners, while the center is sharp.

Then I was disappointed to find out that the max range was only 135mm. But with infinity (30 meters), it is 200mm. In my case 200mm is typically used for targets far away - with this lens.

Hence, at the moment I don't find any fatal faults with the lens. I do wish, though, that 28mm and 35mm did not have that halation, though. Softness is not an issue but halation is very visible under many circumstances (but not much at 50%). But as 18, 50 and 135-200mm will most probably be the most used focal lengths for me, I am very much tempted to keep the lens.

Considering the price of the lens, it is not far from amazing. The performance, at its best, is a couple of notches above what I would expect from a megazoom. At its worst (28/35mm corners, wide open), it just as I would expect from an inexpensive 3rd party megazoom. OS is clearly better than with the 80-400 OS (2 stops in my experience) while the 18-200 seems to really produce the 3-4 stops, especially at the tele end.

What is it? A 11x megazoom with usable to excellent IQ, depending on the focal length, aperture and location on the image. The OS is definitely very good. Build quality is better than I would expect. A petal-type lens hood is included but case is not. A non-rotating front element, making use of a polarizing filter easy.

What is it not? No weatherproofing, no full-time manual focusing, no fixed aperture when zooming, not parfocal when zooming. Not very fast (f3.5 to f6.3).

It remains to be seen how much there is sample variation. All in all, I can recommend this lens if the features are what you want and you are willing to learn its quirks and work around them.

Well done, Sigma!



Jun 23, 2007 at 09:43 AM
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p.1 #6 · Hands-on: Sigma 18-200 OS


Thank you very much for that very detailed review and your observations, I am looking forward to the day mine arrives. You have compared it to 2 very respected & more expensive lenses and still seem to feel it does a good job IQ wise for a superzoom. That final 2 to 4% increase in IQ of any lens design gets very expensive to add to them, so for me this lens easily seems to have a great place in the consumer market that it is aimed at. Many seem happy with the 17-85 IS and this should be just as good or even better in IQ plus a huge increase in range at about the same cost. I really think Sigma will sell lots of these, and appreciate the fact they built it, as we don't all need to criticize every image because when viewed at 100% it isn't as sharp as it would have been using a lens that cost many times more. Far too many people seem to think we all need & should use only L series primes etc and anything less means we can't produce "usable" images. Again thanks, Larry.


Jun 23, 2007 at 12:29 PM
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p.1 #7 · Hands-on: Sigma 18-200 OS


Got mine yesterday. Haven't had much chance to use it yet on my 400D, but I find the lens sharp, including at 18 and 200mm, even wide open. The lack of USM is noticeable in the sound, but that isn't important to me. The OS kicks in with a noticeable little clunk, but seems to work well. No noticeable CA. Overall, Ithis looks to be a definite improvement over the non-OS version, and a very convenient walkaround lens (thought it is noticeably heavier than the non-OS)


Jun 23, 2007 at 01:57 PM
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p.1 #8 · Hands-on: Sigma 18-200 OS


It sounds like this lens can be a good one for travel light lens... I am looking forward to seeing more examples taken with this lens!!


Jun 23, 2007 at 03:32 PM
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p.1 #9 · Hands-on: Sigma 18-200 OS


I got mine on Thursdays here is a shot about 15 minutes after the UPS guy dropped it off at my Office.


Jun 23, 2007 at 04:25 PM
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p.1 #10 · Hands-on: Sigma 18-200 OS


Here's a crop of above. This was just a J-peg right out of the camera 20D and re-sized


Jun 23, 2007 at 04:28 PM
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p.1 #11 · Hands-on: Sigma 18-200 OS


Went to the beach today and decided to play newbie, so I put the camera on P, ISO on 200 (I sometimes like it better than 100) and shoot away. Of course I forgot to turn OS on, but that wasn't a factor with these pics.

http://www.ricksastro.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=1197

Not a tough test, as most were in the f8-f11 range, but I wanted to use it as a carefree setup. It was great having the extreme range, as my family at the top of the lighthouse wouldn't have been very patient with me if I had to switch lenses (particularly my youngest, who is plastered against the wall).

This was straight Standard JPG, no PP sharpening whatsoever (only a little levels adjustment).

These go through the gamut of focal lengths of the lens. The quality of the 200mm just amazes me...really! Even the dreaded short-mid (24mm shown) turned out nice well stopped down.

Normally, I'm a stickler for sharpness and a pixel peeping geek, but this lens is endearing enough to me to warrant it's place in my setup.

Rick



Jun 23, 2007 at 08:43 PM
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Rick, I took a look at 1669 at the max size and it more than meets my needs, and based on how quickly it downloaded (I only have 32K max dial up in my rural area) it is heavily compressed so a full file high quality (low compression) image would print very nicely at 8 X 10. This particulal lens should take Sigma to a new level in the 3rd party lens business, as I think it may become the first lens many camera shops recommend when convincing a new DSLR purchaser what to buy as the beginner lens, totally skipping the Canon kit offering.


Jun 23, 2007 at 09:13 PM
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p.1 #13 · Hands-on: Sigma 18-200 OS


I did save them at 9 quality in PS after levels adjustment to save a little bandwidth with minimal quality loss.


Jun 23, 2007 at 09:42 PM
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I've just gone through my systematic tests (bookshelf) on the Sigma 18-200f3.5-6.3 DC OS. I carefully flipped through the shots taken at 18, 28, 35, 50, 80, 135 and 200mm, from wide open upto f11 (the min aperture that I am usually willing to use). I made two passes, at 50% and 100% screen resolution.

I had three different thresholds: OK, good and excellent. OK means that I would be willing to use such an image, good means that while not perfect, the improvement margin is small enough not to be noticed unless directly comparing to a sharper image, while excellent means that no further improvement can be gotten by stopping down. And that also means that the corners are equal to the center in sharpness.

As these criteria were applied to the whole image, it was the worst corner that limited the results. The center of the image was - when properly focused - excellent right from wide open, except at 18mm, where stopping to f4 was required. However, in this sense, the center covered only maybe 30% of the image area at the worst (28, 35 and 80mm).

Here's the table for 50% image size, in the order of OK, good, excellent:
18 3.5 4.0 4.5
28 4.5 5.6 11
35 5.0 6.3 11
50 5.0 5.0 6.3
80 5.6 8.0 11
135 5.6 5.6 9.0
200 6.3 6.3 7.1
and here's for 100% image size:
18 3.5 4.0 5.6
28 7.1 11 16?
35 7.1 11 16?
50 5.0 6.3 11
80 8.0 10 11
135 6.3 8.0 11
200 6.3 7.1 8.0

As you can see, if you aim at "good" at 50% size, stopping to f6.3 should mostly suffice. At 100% size, "excellent" is reached at f11, except for 28 and 35mm, where even further stopping is required. So, if you have plenty of light, set the camera at f11 and fire away. Sigma states 3-4 stops for OS, making this lens equivalent to a f2.8-f4 non-OS lens, in terms of low-light performance for static subjects. And that with excellent quality at 100%!

I think it was a good decision from Sigma to postpone the deliveries, if this helped improve the quality. I just hope that the sample variation is small enough - too often getting a good Sigma lens is a lottery. However, it seems that Rick's and my experiences are quite similar: amazing at 18 and 200mm, more modest in-between.

Hence, for making your DSLR into a point-and-shoot camera, with lots of depth of field, especially with static subjects, this lens seems to be the perfect one. When, however, you need a thin DoF or there is little light and the subject is moving, mount your fast prime on the camera.



Edited by astrolucida on Jun 24, 2007 at 10:48 AM GMT



Jun 24, 2007 at 03:46 AM
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p.1 #15 · Hands-on: Sigma 18-200 OS


What would you rather, a P&S with say a 3x-5x zoom that offers appalling ISO noise above 200, very poor DR, or say a 400D and 18-200 OS as a walkabout. Although I'm not a fan of super zooms in general, if you really need to travel light they can be very useful and they are getting better.

I only hope Canon can offer one that's even better, but of course it'll be 2x the price.



Jun 24, 2007 at 03:47 AM
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Pixel Perfect wrote:
What would you rather, a P&S with say a 3x-5x zoom that offers appalling ISO noise above 200, very poor DR, or say a 400D and 18-200 OS as a walkabout. Although I'm not a fan of super zooms in general, if you really need to travel light they can be very useful and they are getting better.


My children use the Canon S3 IS, with the focal range of 38-432mm. The low-light performance is acceptable at ISO 400 but horrible at ISO 1600 (even 25% image size looks very noisy). I would pick the 400D+18-200 OS any time over it, even with the shorter focal length range (29-320mm) - partly due to the better ISO performance but also for faster AF and better controls.

Though the S3 IS weighs less than half of the 400D+18-200, and is much smaller. Also, the lens is faster at f2.8 to f3.5. So high ISO is not needed that often.

But, in fact, the ultimate portable setup is 350D/400D + 35f2. A normal focal length is very versatile, and being fast at f2, gives a lot of possibilities. The whole package is very lightweight and small.




Jun 24, 2007 at 03:51 AM
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Cicopo wrote:
This particulal lens should take Sigma to a new level in the 3rd party lens business, as I think it may become the first lens many camera shops recommend when convincing a new DSLR purchaser what to buy as the beginner lens, totally skipping the Canon kit offering.



I agree, pair this with a XTi and a beginner will be a happy camper to start. I see this staying on my 20D as my all-around P&S.



Jun 24, 2007 at 08:47 AM
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p.1 #18 · Hands-on: Sigma 18-200 OS


Thanks for the review. Any samples to post (including comparisons to the 17-55 and 70-200)?


Jun 24, 2007 at 10:18 AM
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p.1 #19 · Hands-on: Sigma 18-200 OS


I don't know, but based on the posted pics I'd rather have the 18-55 kits lens and the Canon 70-300 IS, which would be in the same price range. The Canon has little or no CA, great IS, and even against my 70-200 f4L IS, it's pretty darn sharp with nice bokeh. I know it's not a one-lens solution, but I'm not convinced there will ever be such a thing.


Jun 25, 2007 at 03:37 AM
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p.1 #20 · Hands-on: Sigma 18-200 OS


If this lens can produce images equal to or better than the 17-85 IS how could it not become a big hit for first time DSLR buyers? My copy of that lens was likely the worst lens I have tried on my camera, and wasn't as good as the kit lens I used to have at the wide end. Yes the IS worked, but the lens wasn't worth anywhere near it's selling price. Sigma's price is similar but with a far more useful range.


Jun 25, 2007 at 08:09 AM
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