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p.5 #1 · p.5 #1 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


Thanks again Carsten. Well, am I lucky or what? Luka and Martin strole around the city where I live. Both carry 3D gear. If at all possible to plan for 3D, then take this opportunity guys: go a few km east to Nacka and find Tollarens closed down paper-mill. Easily found through the link below. Grab your 3D gear and find the 3D steering wheel, which is found close the "H" in the southernmost "Hedenströms väg" below

http://maps.google.se/?ie=UTF8&ll=59.301294,18.237584&spn=0.004196,0.013239&t=h&z=17

I'll buy you a beer here if you do, I know you know where it is :-)






Apr 19, 2011 at 07:40 PM
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p.5 #2 · p.5 #2 · which lens has the most 3D POP?


Haha, even I know where that is, having been to Stockholm in 2004 But I don't know the name. Is it Katarinahissen?


Apr 19, 2011 at 07:49 PM
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carstenw wrote:
I should qualify this by saying that in all the time I have frequented this forum, I have seen maybe something like a dozen photos with convincing 3D. It is very hard to do, even for those who do it the best. I am not sure that I have made a single photo which has as strong 3D as brainiac's portrait, Martin's leather chair, or Luka's snail.


Hmmm, I'm guessing you mean this snail:

http://peltarion.eu/img/zeiss/ma74_big.jpg

Interesting as I don't see any 3D in the shot..

Typically for me to get a stronger sense of 3D I need some shape that implies perspective. Texture also usually helps.

Here's an example of what I mean. This was taken a couple of days ago:


http://peltarion.eu/img/m9/cron90-80.jpg


wfrank wrote:
If at all possible to plan for 3D, then take this opportunity guys: go a few km east to Nacka and find Tollarens closed down paper-mill. Easily found through the link below. Grab your 3D gear and find the 3D steering wheel, which is found close the "H" in the southernmost "Hedenströms väg" below

http://maps.google.se/?ie=UTF8&ll=59.301294,18.237584&spn=0.004196,0.013239&t=h&z=17


Closed down paper mill? Interesting. Are the fun parts easily accessible or does it require bolt cutters and do some breaking and entering?



Apr 19, 2011 at 08:56 PM
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denoir wrote:
Hmmm, I'm guessing you mean this snail:

http://peltarion.eu/img/zeiss/ma74_big.jpg

Interesting as I don't see any 3D in the shot..


The bumps on the neck are strongly 3D to me. I can just feel the way my finger would slip over them if I were to touch.

Typically for me to get a stronger sense of 3D I need some shape that implies perspective. Texture also usually helps.

This example has *some* 3D for me, but mostly just very strong perspective.



Apr 19, 2011 at 09:05 PM
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denoir wrote:
Closed down paper mill? Interesting. Are the fun parts easily accessible or does it require bolt cutters and do some breaking and entering?


Oops, what a snailshot, never seen it before. Annoying ;-)

And for the question, yeah the steering wheel is just a teaser compared what you can get once inside. They tell me that the place is going to be demolished within months so if you like the idea get there now. You dont need burglar equipment but you do need to breach a couple of low-grade hindrance to get there. But it's easy.

When in, there there's juicy stuff all around - the below is from a couple of weeks ago. Not by your standards but it gives you an idea. Let me know if you would allow my meager (but for me beloved) Canonstuff to join you before the promised beer



Carsten, yes it's Katarinahissten (Katarina elevator), impressive!



Apr 19, 2011 at 09:28 PM
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3D has as much to do with what the viewer brings to image as what the lens imparts the image with. pop is something different entirely that has to do with foreground/background separation and contrast. the fact that the two are used interchangeably and can contribute to one another just makes things more confusing. the fact that all the forum members who believe that zeiss is particularly good at 3D couldn't agree most of the time on which images had it and which didn't (what is 3D thread) indicates that you're not going to get a good answer from others about which lens is best for this.

i would go through a bunch of images from the same photographers shot with all the candidate lenses and decide for myself.



Apr 19, 2011 at 09:58 PM
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Sounds like good advice. "Pop" is what I called "Depth", by the way, i.e. it separates foreground and background somehow. It is only one, and not a necessary, ingredient for 3D.


Apr 19, 2011 at 10:16 PM
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Then... (not to beat a loooooong dead horse but...) there is no such thing as 3D in a single-lens camera system. The sebboh description implies pure imagination given some pop and/or contrasting micro-contrast in the photo.

Personally, I can definitely see what people mean when they say they think the image has "3D" - in my case I only disagree with the term itself. Indeed as carstenw says. It's really not important at all I think tho. I mean communication's main purpose is to share ideas and as long as those ideas are getting across then it's all good - no matter the terms or vernacular used.

I'm also with sebboh in that it's best to look and decide for yourself. In my experience (for me) I see that's it's the most easily achieved with very sharp lenses and since zeiss kinda has that going for it generally across the board then zeiss might be the best to consider. I also notice it easiest with telephoto lenses in the 100mm ~ 200mm range so there's a second indicator to keep in mind.



Apr 19, 2011 at 11:37 PM
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Bifurcator wrote:
Then... (not to beat a loooooong dead horse but...) there is no such thing as 3D in a single-lens camera system. The sebboh description implies pure imagination given some pop and/or contrasting micro-contrast in the photo.


not imagination, that implies something volitional. a better word borrowed from psychology and neuroscience might be priming. the human visual system has numerous cues besides stereoscopy that it uses to form a 3D representation of the world. if you cover one eye up the world doesn't suddenly lose all 3D appearance. given conflicting 3D info to the brain a small suggestion can get the visual system to weigh one parameter more than another.



Apr 19, 2011 at 11:51 PM
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For me, the snail shot is significantly flatter than a lot of the other examples in this thread.


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More important then lens choice is likely going to be simply employing the elements of classic design principles to create the illusion of depth on a two dimensional surface:

http://www.wiu.edu/art/courses/design/depth.htm



Apr 20, 2011 at 01:54 AM
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Those 'Elements and Principles of Design' are artistic tricks to fool (or hopefully please) the viewer's eye - they can be accomplished by any lens, whether it imparts any 3D/depth or not.

All part of the repertoire of the canny photographer to be sure, but cynical, unoriginal and cliched at the end of anyone's day.

In statistical terms these are among the factors to be adjusted for (i.e. removed from the analysis) to help arrive at the answer to the OP's question. He may be interested in choosing lenses that can add 3D to a non-contrived composition, one chosen instead on the basis of artistic merit or visual description.



Apr 20, 2011 at 02:51 AM
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Pentax FA 43mm/1.9 Limited...


Apr 20, 2011 at 02:53 AM
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I think the Sigma 50mm f/1.4 has a pretty interesting, somewhat three-dimensional look.




http://hoangxuanpham.tumblr.com/



Apr 20, 2011 at 03:08 AM
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Tourists in Saigon : Contax 645 Planar 80mm f/2 on 5DII, ISO 200 ,F=9.5, 1/1.500.
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/4N5Jb73rn59TPWoxBqHusw?feat=directlink



Apr 20, 2011 at 03:16 AM
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philip_pj wrote:
Those 'Elements and Principles of Design' are artistic tricks to fool (or hopefully please) the viewer's eye - they can be accomplished by any lens, whether it imparts any 3D/depth or not.

All part of the repertoire of the canny photographer to be sure, but cynical, unoriginal and cliched at the end of anyone's day.

In statistical terms these are among the factors to be adjusted for (i.e. removed from the analysis) to help arrive at the answer to the OP's question. He may be interested in choosing lenses that can add 3D to a non-contrived composition, one chosen instead
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While the examples are certainly over dramatized for emphasis, the principles have been used to much more subtle effect since the Renaissance. I think it's highly likely that the photo's many consider to exhibit 3D rendering employ some of these "artistic tricks".

For a lens to add to the effect of 3D, I think the image must first contain some of the above principles with the lens perhaps accentuating the illusion. As an example, I have noticed that many of the Zeiss lenses I have used really do something special with warm colors, particularly red, and also pump up the color contrast of most other colors. High acutance and micro-contrast also serve to enhance the graphic qualities of an image. This combo is likely what people refer to when they state the lens has a lot of "pop". Thus, this "pop" would over dramatize the effect of, for instance, warm colors coming towards us, particularly when combined with intensified graphic overlaps (microcontrast and acutance at work) and atmospheric backgrounds (atmosphere including out of focus backgrounds and weather conditions such as haze). Toss in a dark background combined with side lighting to emphasize volume and texture in your subject and you have some pretty compelling 3D. The originality or unoriginality is totally dependent on the photographer/ artist, not simply because basic design principles are used.



Apr 20, 2011 at 03:30 AM
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hxpham wrote:
I think the Sigma 50mm f/1.4 has a pretty interesting, somewhat three-dimensional look.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5103/5636781030_f0b6ac492b_b.jpg

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5225/5636781160_9a2e7d6c76_b.jpg
http://hoangxuanpham.tumblr.com/


This second shot in particular looks very 3D to me - and uses a few of the design principles mentioned.



Apr 20, 2011 at 03:32 AM
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The C/Y Zeiss 50/1.7 Planar is very affordable. While I think the 3-D effect is often claimed where it's not very obvious, this little Zeiss lens does it as well as anything
in its price range.









Apr 20, 2011 at 06:27 AM
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Short DOF has little to do with 3D/POP IMHO.
These two show great 3D in my book.

1. Distagon 35/1.4. Short DOF. Great 3D.
2. Distagon 21/2.8. All in focus. Great 3D.














Apr 20, 2011 at 07:24 AM
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Anden wrote:
Short DOF has little to do with 3D/POP IMHO.
These two show great 3D in my book.

1. Distagon 35/1.4. Short DOF. Great 3D.
2. Distagon 21/2.8. All in focus. Great 3D.



dude, that beach shot is awesome! and yes, on a less important note, it appears to have 3D to me, but i'm sure somebody will disagree with that.



Apr 20, 2011 at 07:32 AM
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