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cohenfive
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500mm might be short, but if i go any longer (more expensive) my wife might cut my life short! actually she's been very encouraging to my long lens lust. she also enjoys checking out wildlife, just behind good binoculars rather than a 9 pound lens!




Feb 11, 2011 at 05:28 PM
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ditto on picking up the lens from Scott...
the AFSII 500 is an exceptional lens, extremely sharp even wide open.
You will definately save yourself some cash....



Feb 11, 2011 at 05:29 PM
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cohenfive wrote:
500mm might be short, but if i go any longer (more expensive) my wife might cut my life short! actually she's been very encouraging to my long lens lust. she also enjoys checking out wildlife, just behind good binoculars rather than a 9 pound lens!


I really think you should find someplace to rent one first.
300VR+1.7, minimum usuable aperture(sharp), f/5.6=510mm
500VR-minimum usuable(sharp) aperture, F4
Now, if you start putting a tele-converter on the 500.....well, your mileage may vary.
I imagine a 1.4 wouldn't be to bad, but, that puts you up to F5.6??(sorry, not good with math).
And the 1.7 puts you up even higher.

So, with the combination you have right now, your already at 500mm.
Are you thinking of using the 500VR with the 1.7TC??
Might wanna ask Scott or TM if they've used that combination for feedback on the results.



Feb 11, 2011 at 08:45 PM
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havasu_photo wrote:
500VR-minimum usuable(sharp) aperture, F4
Now, if you start putting a tele-converter on the 500.....well, your mileage may vary.
I imagine a 1.4 wouldn't be to bad, but, that puts you up to F5.6??(sorry, not good with math).
And the 1.7 puts you up even higher.


For me, birding STARTS at 500mm. The 300/2.8 peters out with the TC17EII at 510 where the 500VR is just getting started. As for TC's the 500VR handles the TC14EII pretty well flawlessly and takes the TC17EII quite well. The 300 is a great lens, but not long enough for birds.






Nikon D3 ,Nikkor AF-S 500mm f/4G ED VR ,TC17EII
1/250s f/6.7 at 850.0mm iso640 hand held, heavy crop



Feb 11, 2011 at 09:04 PM
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what i need is some sunlight to shoot in good conditions! my lens (vr) reasoning goes as follows..i want the ability to handhold when i'm on a hike or shooting out of a car, etc...or just to help in lower light conditions to keep the shutter speed up as much as possible. that argues for vr. on the tripod question, i've never had one that i've kept for very long, but for those occasions when i'm shooting wildlife and am going to be stationary i could see it coming in really handy. i will ask about using the tc on the 500mm, that is an assumption i am making. i should also use the monopod more than i do as a stopgap to see if it is enough. the gimbals sure look like they are fun to use however! ok, so i am a sick man.....


Feb 11, 2011 at 09:29 PM
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Gary Irwin wrote:
For me, birding STARTS at 500mm. (300 not long enough for birds)


simply not true, many many people cannot afford 6000-15,000+ on a birding setup, that doesn't mean birding cannot be done at shorter lengths with or without TC's. Look at the setup Thunderbird used to get his national geographic cover shot awhile ago, AF-S 300/4 a 1.7 and a D300 handheld. For tiny tiny little birds the big glass really comes in play, or very skittish wildlife.

a recent few from my 300/4 (D2H)


























got plenty more where these came from.



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Seagulls, ducks and large cranes notwithstanding, I agree with Gary. Birding starts at 500mm. Now I applaud people like Jody Melanson who are able to get wildlife shots with a 400mm lens, but for most of us it starts at 500mm.



Feb 11, 2011 at 11:24 PM
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A point from the rental house side of things - several hundred renters per year use our Nikon and Canon 400s, 500s, and 600s. They all love them, both sides. Supertelephoto renters are just thrilled with the glass and love the shots they get. Nobody ever is disappointed in those lenses, which is not something I can say for any other category.

I've also had a fair number of people crossover trying to make this decision, and they usually decide based on their likes about cameras, or cost figures, but I don't remember anyone ever deciding because one 500 or 600 was better than the other.

I guess my only point is any difference in the lens quality of a supertelephoto from one brand to another is got to be awfully small.



Feb 11, 2011 at 11:37 PM
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RCicala wrote:
A point from the rental house side of things - several hundred renters per year use our Nikon and Canon 400s, 500s, and 600s. They all love them, both sides. Supertelephoto renters are just thrilled with the glass and love the shots they get. Nobody ever is disappointed in those lenses, which is not something I can say for any other category.

I've also had a fair number of people crossover trying to make this decision, and they usually decide based on their likes about cameras, or cost figures, but I don't remember anyone ever deciding because one 500 or
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Best post so far.



Feb 11, 2011 at 11:52 PM
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I've owned both Canon and Nikon long glass, only reason I'm using Nikon at the moment is because I was discouraged with the 1D Mk III focus issues.

Hopefully that has been adressed and the 1D Mk IV is performing like it should.

Regardless, I havn't noticed any real sharpness differences in either brands long lenses.

Here are some recent shots from the Nikon 500/4 AF-s II with and without the TC- 14 E II.




  NIKON D300    700mm    f/8.0    1/800s    400 ISO    -0.7 EV  






  NIKON D3    700mm    f/9.0    1/400s    400 ISO    -0.7 EV  






  NIKON D300    500mm    f/9.0    1/400s    250 ISO    -0.7 EV  




Feb 12, 2011 at 12:09 PM
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RCicala wrote:
A point from the rental house side of things - several hundred renters per year use our Nikon and Canon 400s, 500s, and 600s. They all love them, both sides. Supertelephoto renters are just thrilled with the glass and love the shots they get. Nobody ever is disappointed in those lenses, which is not something I can say for any other category.

I've also had a fair number of people crossover trying to make this decision, and they usually decide based on their likes about cameras, or cost figures, but I don't remember anyone ever deciding because one 500 or
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It is nice to hear from someone with experience of more than one copy, and both brands

I am just working my way through the articles on LR, Roger. Great stuff!



Feb 12, 2011 at 12:19 PM
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The long teles are one case where the camera may be the limiting factor. If cost is an issue consider that using an older lens with a better camera may give better results than a lesser camera with the newer lens.

EBH



Feb 12, 2011 at 02:59 PM
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