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Greetings fellow FMers,

As a few of you may know, last week I had one of those “Oh, drat!” moments: my camera and flash took a tumble off my monopod, breaking the flash foot and the hot shoe. My backup flash, a Vivitar 285HV wouldn’t be of use with a broken hot shoe on the camera, so I went to the Flash Zebra site and ordered a 15-foot screwlock-to-Vivitar cord, which arrived yesterday.

As with all new gear, this needed a test.

As some of you may also know, I recently acquired a miniature beauty dish-style flash diffuser, the RPS Studio BeautiDish, which some have asked about.

Here then is a quick test I did in my living room. (As expected, the Flash Zebra cord worked perfectly.)

The "subject" is mounted atop a monopod placed 27 inches from the background, a plain light-beige wall. The flash, a Vivitar 285HV, is placed on a lightstand, angled down at the target from 60 inches away and slightly left of the camera. The camera was a 20D with a 17-55 lens set at 28mm. Exposure was ISO 400, f/4, 1/125, Auto White Balance.

The first image below is with the Vivitar 285HV alone, the second is with the flash firing into the BeautiDish with the translucent reflector, and the third is with the BeautiDish, translucent reflector, and the diffusion sock. The final image is a side-by-side crop of the first and third images.

As you can see, although the BeautiDish is only 30cm (12 inches) in diameter, the softening effect is exceptional, even at five feet from the subject. Not only is the shadow on the background softened considerably, there is also a softening of the shadow cast on the ruler of the target. There would be a similar softening of shadows if one were doing a portrait with loop lighting.

There is some decrease in the exposure, but I don’t know how much light was lost; to save time I was using the flash in auto mode, with the remote sensor mounted lower on the light stand than the flash, in order to be clear of the dish. Some other time I’ll break out my flash meter and see how many stops are actually lost.

Overall, I’m very happy with this diffuser. Wall and/or ceiling bounce are great, but sometimes produce light that is too flat. This diffuser softens shadows well, and yet – as can be seen on the leather portion of the monopod strap, and on the curved surface of the ball-mount and on the target’s bubble level -- there is still enough direct light to produce some specularity, which produces nicely defined highlights, and would create nice catchlights in a portrait subject's eyes.

For shooters on a budget, I think the RPS Studio BeautiDish can be a worthwhile addition to one’s flash outfit.


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Dec 28, 2010 at 08:03 AM
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p.1 #2 · RPS Studio BeautiDish -- Overview


BrianO ...

Thanks for the test. I've got the strobies slip-on BD for my 550EX, which is about 7-8 inches and does a nice enough job compared to unmodified, but it left me longing for something a bit larger, so the 12 inch range has some appeal for field work. I've got a 17" for my AB400 (waiting on the VBM for field stuff).

How do you think it'll be for field use, i.e. on a stroboframe, etc. vs. a stand?

My understanding is that BD's are usually best around a distance of 2X their diameter ... which would put this one around the 2-3 foot range, I'd think. Something for next time maybe, thanks again.



Dec 28, 2010 at 09:17 AM
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p.1 #3 · RPS Studio BeautiDish -- Overview


Brian,

Do you have a small softbox 12"x12" using the same 285, that you could compare the BD with sock?

Richard K.



Dec 28, 2010 at 09:36 AM
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RustyBug wrote:
...How do you think it'll be for field use, i.e. on a stroboframe, etc. vs. a stand?


I have an old Pro-Lite telescoping flash bracket that raises the flash almost three feet aove the camera, and I've mounted the BD on it. It looks a bit ungainly, but it actually balances quite well. The BD is very light, so it makes almost no notiable difference over a flash alone. (Windage is another matter, though.)

RustyBug wrote:
...My understanding is that BD's are usually best around a distance of 2X their diameter ... which would put this one around the 2-3 foot range, I'd think.


I'll post some more tests, including with a head mannequin, at a later date, but I agree that to get "the beauty dish look" at the distances I usually shoot from, a larger dish would work better. Although it's called a BeautiDish, I really consider this product to be more a flash diffuser than a beauty dish in the traditional sense. I would put it in the same category as a LumiQuest Big Bounce or Chuck Gardner's DIY foam bouncer, rather than comparing it with a Mola Demi or a PCB dish.



Dec 28, 2010 at 04:40 PM
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mill4570 wrote:
Do you have a small softbox 12"x12" using the same 285, that you could compare the BD with sock?


I don't, but I suspect the results would be similar. One advantage of the BeautiDish is that internal diffuser/reflector, which acts to fill the dish evenly. If a small softbox has an internal baffle it might work the same way, but a barebulb head wold probably be better.

I'll try to round up some more modifiers -- including a small SB, my Sto-Fen Omni-Bounce, umbrellas, etc. -- for a thorough comparison test in the spring. (I'm in the process of packing for a move at the moment, so it may be a while.)



Dec 28, 2010 at 04:46 PM
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anotherview wrote:
...I received and set up mine per the photos below. ...I've yet to devise that closure insert for the BD rear opening to minimize light spill and light loss.


While you're waiting to make something more sturdy, you can try folding several layers of foil around the back of the ring, with a cutout for the flash head.

Blocking the opening doesn't seem to make a lot of difference, but I don't like any back spill just because it seems a waste after spending the time and money on the new toy. Plus, I just like tinkering.



Dec 28, 2010 at 04:54 PM
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p.1 #7 · RPS Studio BeautiDish -- Overview


Wanna post some pics shooting a larger subject? Obviously that dish will work well for something so small, but 12" is barely larger than someones head.....


Dec 28, 2010 at 05:16 PM
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p.1 #8 · RPS Studio BeautiDish -- Overview


kawasakiguy37: Not an expert but believe the BD functions for the purpose of illuminating the head.

My first try using the RPS BD produced a head-shot with that dramatic lighting associated with the BD. The test shots I had to delete because my model (a friend) had not prepared herself for photographs. I can see, though, that the RPS BD probably should place closer to the subject.



Dec 28, 2010 at 05:34 PM
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p.1 #9 · RPS Studio BeautiDish -- Overview


kawasakiguy37 wrote:
Wanna post some pics shooting a larger subject?.


Any subject would be pretty interesting.



Dec 28, 2010 at 06:03 PM
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p.1 #10 · RPS Studio BeautiDish -- Overview


kawasakiguy37 wrote:
Wanna post some pics shooting a larger subject?


I'll post some more tests, including with a head mannequin, at a later date. It may be a few weeks, because I'm in the midst of moving.

kawasakiguy37 wrote:
...Obviously that dish will work well for something so small, but 12" is barely larger than someones head.....


Although it's called a BeautiDish, I really consider this product to be more a flash diffuser than a beauty dish in the traditional sense due to the small size.

It's about the same size as, or slightly larger than, a LumiQuest Big Bounce or Chuck Gardner's DIY foam bouncer, so I wouldn't use it as one would use a traditional beauty dish like a Mola Demi or a PCB dish.



Dec 29, 2010 at 12:21 AM
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p.1 #11 · RPS Studio BeautiDish -- Overview


BrianO: You say, "I'll post some more tests, including with a head mannequin." I need one of these, due to shortage of test subjects. Could up please suggest a source or two for a had mannequin. Thanks?
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Jan 12, 2011 at 08:06 PM
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anotherview wrote:
BrianO: You say, "I'll post some more tests, including with a head mannequin." I need one of these, due to shortage of test subjects. Could up please suggest a source or two for a had mannequin.


They're very handy for practice, because they don't move or change expression; so any observed change must be due to changes in lighting, exposure, camera angle, etc.

Mine is a really cheap (thin plastic over foam) one I got years ago when I took the NYI Professional Photography course. They called her "Shirley," and they don't include that any more.

One source for an inexpensive used one might be a local beauty school or barber college. I don't know if they still do, but they used to use them for students to practice on, and after a while they'd replace them with new ones.

For a new one, this site has full-body, torso, and head-only models in a range of prices: http://www.buystoreshelving.com/mannequins/index.htm



Jan 12, 2011 at 08:28 PM
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p.1 #13 · RPS Studio BeautiDish -- Overview


BrianO: Thanks. Visited site. Plenty of selection.


Jan 12, 2011 at 08:43 PM
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p.1 #14 · RPS Studio BeautiDish -- Overview


Brian, do you have a link to this beauty dish?


Jan 13, 2011 at 02:00 AM
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Dave Jr wrote:
Brian, do you have a link to this beauty dish?


Sure. Here's one for the RPS product line: http://dotlinecorp.net/Brochures/DLC/speedlite_studio.pdf

Here's one online purchase source: http://www.canogacamera.com/searchresults.asp?cat=469

I hope these help.



Jan 13, 2011 at 11:12 PM
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p.1 #16 · RPS Studio BeautiDish -- Overview


Dave Jr: Note that when buying my RPS BD, I had to call the store (Canoga Camera) for help finding some of the offered accessories for this light modifier. The experience went well.


Jan 13, 2011 at 11:52 PM
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p.1 #17 · RPS Studio BeautiDish -- Overview


Thanks guys. Anyone compared the RPS 12" to the Cheetah 16" here?

$88 with sock and grid, $49 without grid. You'd have to buy a bracket if you don't already have one. But maybe you have to use it with the Cheetah Speed Pro, and then it gets pretty expensive, not sure on that. The RPS looks good too.



Jan 14, 2011 at 12:06 AM
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anotherview wrote:
...Note that when buying my RPS BD, I had to call the store (Canoga Camera) for help finding some of the offered accessories for this light modifier. The experience went well.


On the page I linked to above, Canoga Camera lists the snoot as being out of stock. Is that what you're refering to?



Jan 14, 2011 at 12:12 AM
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p.1 #19 · RPS Studio BeautiDish -- Overview


Brian0: Yes, but it seems Canoga Camera has updated this Web page, to include more items. I ordered the grid, too, but I did not see it on the Web Page. At the time, I had to ask for help with these accessories (still not shown on the same Web page): "a 12” honeycomb grid, a conical snoot with honeycomb grid"

So far, on the few occasions I've used this BD, it has performed as expected, but I need more experience using it.



Jan 14, 2011 at 12:41 AM
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p.1 #20 · RPS Studio BeautiDish -- Overview


I only got the dish itself; I plan to get the 12" grid and the snoot next. I may even get another dish if the good deal I got is still going on at my preferred vendor.


Jan 14, 2011 at 12:51 AM
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