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p.1 #1 · I am interested in exploring the various Hassleblad, Contax, Mamiya and various other '3rd party' (f


My first post!

I am interested in exploring the various Hassleblad, Contax, Mamiya and various other '3rd party' (for lack of a better term) lenses which can be used via an adapter on a Canon body (or a Nikon body).

What I want to know is, amongst all those lenses what are the 'BEST' ever lenses ("classics") that I should be looking for? I've heard of various Zeiss lenses for Contax etc. Please share your views! When I say BEST I mean, lenses that are very special in some way, or have some unique characteristic which may be hard to achieve with a Canon or Nikon lens. Of course I will test it on my Canon body before I buy, and will only buy if I see that 'specialness' of a particular lens for myself, but I am interested to know what you guys think are these special lenses!

As I will be looking for these in Tokyo, availability may not be a problem (though price very well may be, I dont want to spend vast sums on these).

Sep 09, 2010 at 11:14 AM
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Best is highly subjective and is going to differ from person to person.

Sep 09, 2010 at 12:05 PM
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p.1 #3 · I am interested in exploring the various Hassleblad, Contax, Mamiya and various other '3rd party' (f


kakomu wrote:
Best is highly subjective and is going to differ from person to person.


Well said.
Start by browsing the forum for photos with different lenses. It is a good way to start.
My favorite alt-lenses are:
OM Zuiko 18/3.5
Rokkor 58/1.2
Zeiss 21/2.8 and 35/1.4



Sep 09, 2010 at 01:35 PM
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p.1 #4 · I am interested in exploring the various Hassleblad, Contax, Mamiya and various other '3rd party' (f


My precious:
Zuiko 21/3.5 (poor man's Distagon)
Rokkor 58/1.2

Sep 09, 2010 at 02:30 PM
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p.1 #5 · I am interested in exploring the various Hassleblad, Contax, Mamiya and various other '3rd party' (f


The under 60's crowd I think are way worth getting to know and yet won't cost you too much to climb in bed with:

Hexanon 50mm 1.2, and 1.4 (nice nice nice)
Edixa Xenar 50mm 2.8 (interesting piece glAss)
Nikon 55mm 2.8 Macro <---(Seriously the best there is - I always come back for more!)
Nikon 50mm 1.4 (I really like this baby - even if no one ever mentions her!)
Nikon 20mm 4.0 and 20mm 2.8 (Both "good" and the 4.0 is a cheap lay.)
Zuiko 50mm 1.4 (Very good! Go for the millionaire [sn])
SMC Takumar 55mm 1.8 (Sweeeeet!)
Canon FD 24mm 2.8 (Wow, so sharp!)
Canon FD 50mm 1.4 and 1.8 (very nice!)
Zeiss Tessar 45mm 2.8 and Planar 50mm 1.7 (Definitely looks good on your arm, and performers too!
Rokkor HG 35mm 2.8 and PF 55mm 1.8 (awesome behind - so soft and creamy!)




Sep 09, 2010 at 03:03 PM
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p.1 #6 · I am interested in exploring the various Hassleblad, Contax, Mamiya and various other '3rd party' (f


Try a Leica 50mm Summicron R, late version. Sharpness, color, compact. A very nice lens.

My major piece of advice is: don't buy cheap adapters, though - spend the money on quality ones that have correct, uniform thickness. This doesn't always happen.

Sep 09, 2010 at 03:22 PM
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p.1 #7 · I am interested in exploring the various Hassleblad, Contax, Mamiya and various other '3rd party' (f


Anden wrote:
kakomu wrote:
Best is highly subjective and is going to differ from person to person.


+1


Start by browsing the forum for photos with different lenses. It is a good way to start.

+1

I started building a "wishlist" by browsing the alt.image threads ... just which ones I liked the most ...

cheers,
h.

Sep 09, 2010 at 03:41 PM
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p.1 #8 · I am interested in exploring the various Hassleblad, Contax, Mamiya and various other '3rd party' (f


are you looking for medium format lenses?

Sep 09, 2010 at 04:26 PM
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p.1 #9 · I am interested in exploring the various Hassleblad, Contax, Mamiya and various other '3rd party' (f


Try looking at the:
Alternative Image Thread
ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!) (Most folks around here would consider the Zeiss Z* lenses pretty premium.)

Zeiss intended to ride the back of the popularity of adapting and converting Contax C/Y (Contax/Yashica) and other old Zeiss lenses to modern SLR and DSLR and host of other small format cameras and replace them with their Z* lenses, but many still regard the old Contax C/Y lenses as comparable and in some cases better than their Z* "replacements." Zeiss hasn't created a Z* analog to every C/Y lens, either.

There are a few Hasselblad's that are considered impressive, but most don't consider them worth the money, but some do. Often (But not always), medium format lenses are considered to not need and have the same resolution as small format lenses, because there was less magnification required. There are definitely lenses that have proven this perception wrong.

Olympus had a few premium lenses, and is the favorite of some, but is widely perceived as the poor man's Zeiss.

There are a few random lenses that are highly regarded such as the:
-Voigtlander 125mm
-Rokkor 58/1.2 (Has to be quite modified for adaption to Canon/Nikon, usually infinity focus isn't available)

Also, Angeniux lenses are somewhat rare very highly regarded.
There are way more great lenses than I have mentioned here, and there are gems that people are rediscovering all the time. Sometimes they become trends. Andreas (Anden) is fantastic at noticing lenses that haven't been in favor. If you watch Anden's posts about a lens, you may be able to profit, as popularity and prices on his finds tend to increase for at least a few months after he makes a post.

Sep 09, 2010 at 05:29 PM
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p.1 #10 · I am interested in exploring the various Hassleblad, Contax, Mamiya and various other '3rd party' (f


Hi guys,

Thanks and keep the comments coming!

To reply to one question, I am not looking specifcally for Medium format lenses, but will be interested in 'special' MF lenses that can be adapted to work with Canon or Nikon digital SLRs.

I considered looking at the photos posted from various lenses, but I would rather get suggestions for the lenses and try these lenses myself, and buy them if I like what I am able to see/ create with them.

Sep 09, 2010 at 06:07 PM
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p.1 #11 · I am interested in exploring the various Hassleblad, Contax, Mamiya and various other '3rd party' (f


You might go to the topic search and type in "pick" or "choose" or as there were some 'pick 3' ... 'pick one of each brand' ... 'pick' favorite by brand ... 'pick' etc.

There were quite a few threads like this several months ago ... other FMers might have more direct remembrance.

Voigtlander 125 APO
Leica 100 APO
Mamiya 200 APO
Distagon 21
Distagon 28
Leica 35/50
C/Y 100 2.0
Sonnar 135 2.8

These are just a few that are NOT in my bag, but I can't get out of my mind what their unique qualities are ... there are many others, welcome to the obsession.

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Sep 09, 2010 at 06:20 PM
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p.1 #12 · I am interested in exploring the various Hassleblad, Contax, Mamiya and various other '3rd party' (f


I got some goofy adapter to put mamiya 645 lenses on a nikon body.

It was really exciting for the first few days- to mount all sorts of ridiculous lenses on a nikon.

Once the novelty wears off, you might find it's rather pointless in the end.

There's a few catches if you use these adapters.

Any nikon body that can work with manual focus lenses will work with the mamiya adapters and meter correctly. There's no link between the mamiya aperture rings and the AI coupling ring about the lense mount on the body though.

What does this mean?

You have to do stop down metering and flip your mamiya lense to M mode before you meter and take the photo. It's not a real big deal unless it's dark out and you're using slower lenses. You can focus in A mode for full brightness in your viewfinder, then flip to M, or just leave it in M and focus at the largest aperture, then stop down and take your photo.

The camera has no idea what the real aperture on the lense is set to, so your EXIF data will be wrong, even if you "define" a lense on a body like a D700. This has no effect on the photos you get though.

The Mamiya 80mm f/2.8 C lense is possibly the smoothest focusing manual lense ever made. It feels great to use- nicer than anything from nikon.

I got some pretty detailed pics using the mamiya 300mm f/5.6 ULD telephoto on a D700 body last weekend. You need to be outdoors with lots of light to use then thing though, even on a mamiya body.

One day I was really bored and tried a shootout with a Nikon 85mm f/1.8 AF-d and the Mamiya 80mm f/2.8 C lense.

All I could determine in the end is that looking at printing of parts on a circuit board across the room is really really boring.

The only operational advantage to the mamiya lense is that you have to turn the focus ring more than on an AF lense- these potentially gives you better control of fine focus.






Sep 09, 2010 at 06:28 PM
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p.1 #13 · I am interested in exploring the various Hassleblad, Contax, Mamiya and various other '3rd party' (f


If I could start my collections from a scratch, I'd want these ....

ZE 21/2.8
C/Y 35/1.4
Rokkor 58/1.2
ZE 100/2.0
Leica R APO 180/2.8

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p.1 #14 · I am interested in exploring the various Hassleblad, Contax, Mamiya and various other '3rd party' (f


From Hasselblad, look for the 110mm f/2 F or FE. The F is cheaper and just as good, if you never plan to buy an F body Hasselblad. This is essentially the same design as the C/Y 100/2.

Sep 09, 2010 at 09:36 PM
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p.1 #15 · I am interested in exploring the various Hassleblad, Contax, Mamiya and various other '3rd party' (f


From my (unreasonably large) C/Y collection, I recommend the CZ Distagon 28/2.8, the Yashica 55/2.8 ML 1:2 macro, and CZ Sonnar 100/3.5. These offer moderately high contrast and sharpness, great manual-focus operation, low weight, and accessible price.

Sep 10, 2010 at 07:06 AM
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p.1 #16 · I am interested in exploring the various Hassleblad, Contax, Mamiya and various other '3rd party' (f


I would differentiate by your wishes.

- if you are looking for top of the class "modern" rendering all the latter (and pricey) lenses are recommended

- if you are looking for "antique", "unique", "alt" rendering, some older lenses are worth a look:
-- Zeiss Jena Biotar 1.5/75
-- Zeiss Jena Biotar 2.0/58 and it’s russian copies
-- Meyer 2.8/100
-- early 55ers Takumars, giving that classic "Ultron" rendering
and may others.

Sep 10, 2010 at 09:45 AM
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p.1 #17 · I am interested in exploring the various Hassleblad, Contax, Mamiya and various other '3rd party' (f


I use wide to short telephoto (e.g. 35mm to 150mm) Mamiya M645 lenses with a Mirex Tilt-Shift adapter on my Canon bodies. I compared Mamiya M645, Hasselblad C Zeiss and Pentacon 6 Zeiss Jena lenses at 50mm and 80mm focal lengths and found the Hassy and M645 were more or less equivalent for Image Quality (IQ), and both were slightly better than the P6. I've 'standarized' on M645 lenses because they're significantly smaller, lighter and usually less expensive than the Hassys. All of the M645 lenses that I use (see my profile) have IQ as good as or better than most of, or all of, 'the best' similar lenses in 35mm format, at least to the resolution/size of 1DsIII and 40D sensors.

I use M645 80/4N Macro, A 120/4 Macro, A 200/2.8 APO and A 300/2.8 APO lenses 'straight up' with solid Fotodiox Pro adapters. They're all fantastic lenses, regardless of native format.

When you add 35mm format Alternative lenses to the picture, the number of potential choices is immense. Personal preference plays a big role in determining your satisfaction, and so there's nothing like 'jumping in' to find out how you feel about it. For starters, you could consider any of the following to get a good idea of what each 'species' offers, for a relatively low price.

Carl Zeiss Contax Distagon T* 28/2.8
Leica Summicron-R 50/2 E55
Rokinon 85/1.4 Aspherical IF
Mamiya A 120/4 Macro
Mamiya A 150/2.8

You can compare prices of many Canon and Alternative lenses with my Lens Price Database, Lens$db, http://tinyurl.com/lensdb.

As far as adapters go, I've found that Fotodiox Pro adapters work best for me, but they're relatively expensive. You can get started with inexpensive, generic adapters from eBay. Any adapter should achieve 'infinity focus', if not, send it back (as long as the adapted lens has a longer 'register' than the body). In general, wide angle lenses are very sensitive to adapter asymmetry, or variation in thickness. My Distagon 28/2.8 works just fine with the original generic adapter that I picked up for it many years ago, but 20mm and 17mm lenses that I've used are not so forgiving.

BTW, the M645 A 150/2.8 listed above is a beautiful lens, period, and so you don't need to get an expensive Mirex to enjoy it's fine IQ - just get an inexpensive generic adapter to start with.

Welcome aboard!

Sep 10, 2010 at 10:51 AM
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p.1 #18 · I am interested in exploring the various Hassleblad, Contax, Mamiya and various other '3rd party' (f


First steps in setting out to find the "Best" alternative glass:

Step 1: Ask you self if you like having money left over at the end of the month. If yes, stop at this point. If no, proceed to step 2

Step 2: Do you like being married? If yes, stop here. If no, proceed to step 3

Step 3: Do you tend to buy things on impulse or while under the influence of alcohol or other mind altering substances, only to wake up the next day full of regret and remorse? If yest stop here. If no, go to step 4

Step 4: Go buy a converted Contax N 17-35/2.8

Step5: Rejoice.

Sep 10, 2010 at 11:35 AM
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Sep 10, 2010 at 11:39 AM
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kp12154 wrote:


As I will be looking for these in Tokyo, availability may not be a problem (though price very well may be, I dont want to spend vast sums on these).



Yen rate is bad 81 yennies to 1 dollar. Will boost some prices some if you aren't getting paid in yen. Run conversions before buying if not a yen salaryman all I can tell you lol.


If looking for new yodabashi 3rd floor will have all the new stuff you want (just got back from a tokyo trip). This mega store real hard to miss....both the hibaya and JR lines drop you at its front door damn near in akihabara. Zeiss, Voigt are in the same display case. Leica an adjoining case. Oly's are a bit down the section. Picked up a voigtlander 40/2 for Nikon to give it a spin from there. So far I am happy. They have all zeiss looked like....just focused on ones I wanted to try tbh.


For zeiss try...but be wary of.... the 35 F2 . This lens usually is the gateway lens to zeiss addiction. Very nice lens and easy to work with. Seems to be more forgiving of misfocus than the longer options anyway.

Sep 10, 2010 at 12:19 PM
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DocsPics wrote:
First steps in setting out to find the "Best" alternative glass:

Step 1: Ask you self if you like having money left over at the end of the month. If yes, stop at this point. If no, proceed to step 2

Step 2: Do you like being married? If yes, stop here. If no, proceed to step 3

Step 3: Do you tend to buy things on impulse or while under the influence of alcohol or other mind altering substances, only to wake up the next day full of regret and remorse? If yest stop here. If no, go to step 4

Step 4: Go buy a converted Contax N 17-35/2.8

Step5: Rejoice.



Sep 10, 2010 at 01:10 PM
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p.1 #22 · I am interested in exploring the various Hassleblad, Contax, Mamiya and various other '3rd party' (f


Yep, thanks for the reminder, I have to be very mindful of the exchange rate this time around.

Is there any spcific shop in Tokyo that has the widest (or wider) selection of alt lenses? I usually go to Fujiya and Map for the standard stuff, and rarely buy new (I go to the big Yoda in Shinjuku for accessories though).

I have seen a lot of Leica shops in Ginza though; was too scared to ask the prices :-)

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kp12154 wrote:


As I will be looking for these in Tokyo, availability may not be a problem (though price very well may be, I dont want to spend vast sums on these).



Yen rate is bad 81 yennies to 1 dollar. Will boost some prices some if you aren't getting paid in yen. Run conversions before buying if not a yen salaryman all I can tell you lol.


If looking for new yodabashi 3rd floor will have all the new stuff you want (just got back from a tokyo trip). This mega store real hard to miss....both the hibaya and JR lines drop you at its front door damn near in akihabara. Zeiss, Voigt are in the same display case. Leica an adjoining case. Oly's are a bit down the section. Picked up a voigtlander 40/2 for Nikon to give it a spin from there. So far I am happy. They have all zeiss looked like....just focused on ones I wanted to try tbh.


For zeiss try...but be wary of.... the 35 F2 . This lens usually is the gateway lens to zeiss addiction. Very nice lens and easy to work with. Seems to be more forgiving of misfocus than the longer options anyway.



Sep 10, 2010 at 05:13 PM
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p.1 #23 · I am interested in exploring the various Hassleblad, Contax, Mamiya and various other '3rd party' (f


My top 5, if I had the money:
1) Zeiss 21 Distagon
2) Contax 35 f1.4
3) Voigtlander 125 APO
4) Leica 100 APO macro
5) converted Contax N 24-85

My top 5 affordable glass:
1) Contax 35-70
2) Rokkor 58 f1.2
3) Rokinon 85 f1.4
4) Olympus 21 f3.5
5) Contax 50 f1.7

Sep 10, 2010 at 06:03 PM
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p.1 #24 · I am interested in exploring the various Hassleblad, Contax, Mamiya and various other '3rd party' (f


I am really interested in getting a Rokkor 58/1.2, to start with.

I should look for a Canon adapted lens? Any chance it will be readily available and around how much should I expect to pay? And what kind of adapter do I need to use it on a 5DII?

Sep 11, 2010 at 04:19 AM
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p.1 #25 · I am interested in exploring the various Hassleblad, Contax, Mamiya and various other '3rd party' (f


I usually buy my adapters from fotodiox. They have their own site but they also sell on ebay and amazon and the prices are usually better through those sites.

Sep 11, 2010 at 05:04 AM




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