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p.869 #1 · p.869 #1 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Thank you Allen!

I don't think it's a CMOS problem, the A7 has also a CMOS sensor, and it has no problem with reds. I think it's a matter of a good camera profile. Sony has always been good with color. The M profile seems to produce inconsistent results depending on the light source. My shoot today was in mixed lighting sources and like the M9, the M struggles a bit in such conditions. If I had more knowledge and more patience in PP, I should be able to get better results, but unfortunately I'm not, but I'm not really complaining. I think the colors are ok, but not as good as I can get with the A7 without much tweaking. The M shooting experience is worth the few extra troubles IMO.



Mar 02, 2014 at 07:01 PM
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p.869 #2 · p.869 #2 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Edward, did you have a chance to look at the red exposure in raw files in RawDigger? I am wondering if the reds are really blown out in raw or if it is just a gamut or profile problem. Most of the time I look at my raws, it is the greens that are the most exposed. I heard the complaints about reds with m240 before, but I have never been able to generate that problem. Do you have any tips how to replicate it?

Here is an image and histogram from RawDigger.






Mar 02, 2014 at 07:42 PM
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p.869 #3 · p.869 #3 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


I must learn how to PP for FM....


L1001624 by hanexp, on Flickr


L1001623 by hanexp, on Flickr


L1001620 by hanexp, on Flickr


L1001635 by hanexp, on Flickr


L1001636 by hanexp, on Flickr



Mar 02, 2014 at 08:50 PM
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p.869 #4 · p.869 #4 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Great images from everyone on the last couple of pages - it always feels like travelling to interesting and vibrant parts of the world when looking at this thread!

Edward - I am having similar issues with Reds with my M240 but have found that by simply underexposing by -0.7 when red is the dominant colour resolves the issue. I post process my images extensively and sometimes the problem can be corrected in Lightroom but I have had instances when it is not possible to even retrieve the problem with the channel mixer and err on the side of caution now.

The dynamic range of the M240 is such that slight underexposure at ISO200 or even ISO400 has no real impact on image quality and seems to benefit colour in general - a bit like slide film.

For example I dialled in -1EV for the image of red tulips below that look now exactly as I experienced them at the time. The histogram and live view showed a horrible pink/magenta hue at what the camera wanted to expose for.







Have purchased my second copy of the VC 21/4 which is now perfect. The first copy was de-centred but the shop I purchased it from originally was reluctant to send me another copy questioning whether it was really decentered (Robert White UK) which was very disappointing.

In the end had to accept a refund which I have to be fair was promptly given...and purchased it locally from another supplier in London who was happy for me to try it out on my camera first before committing and even helped me evaluate the images on their large screen mac. Now that is what I call service!







and with a "bit" of PP














Mar 02, 2014 at 09:09 PM
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p.869 #5 · p.869 #5 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Awesome colors and subjects Edward

joakim Very nice strong B and W

Man I thought Jenga was hard on my iPad

Very nice High contrast series ^

Phil

MM w/Jena 5cm WO - Love the soft rendering of this lens, excellent for portraits!




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Mar 02, 2014 at 10:17 PM
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p.869 #6 · p.869 #6 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Mirek- the histogram shows the Red and Green channels are blown out, I suspect "15582" is saturation, somehow 16383 (14bits) less a Dark-Current value to being to 0. Odd that Red and Green would saturate, but blue is so much less sensitive. Very different from the M8 and M9. The IR cut filter usually cuts out some red as well. I need to look for the response curves for the M240, I remember seeing them somewhere. I have the M8 longsheet for the sensor.

The kids with the towering blocks is funny as can be, well timed "decisive moment".

The color of the flowers is cheering me up, "Titan" is coming down on us.

Jojomon- your daughter is beautiful, and you are using one of my all-time favorite lenses, the 5cm Carl Zeiss Jena Sonnar. Is this a Leica mount lens, converted to Leica, or on an Adapter? Converting Contax mount Sonnars is a hobby of mine.

This is with a 1934 5cm F2 CZJ Sonnar, converted to Leica Mount, wide-open on the M Monochrom.

Mar 02, 2014 at 11:31 PM
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p.869 #7 · p.869 #7 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Nursery nurse



Mar 02, 2014 at 11:39 PM
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p.869 #8 · p.869 #8 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Thanks Bryan

I love this lens, it's a very clean and sharp copy. The characteristic bubbles in the glass are from the era of production.

It has the Amedeo M adapter, very well made high quality piece of metal

Phil

Taken w/Sony RX1r












Mar 02, 2014 at 11:58 PM
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p.869 #9 · p.869 #9 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Great shots on the last page, I haven't browsed this thread in a while. Nico, that last one makes a good wallpaper


Mar 03, 2014 at 12:00 AM
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p.869 #10 · p.869 #10 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Phil- thanks for posting the picture of the lens, an "uncommon" post war Carl Zeiss Jena 5cm F1.5 "T". Optics are improved, larger diameter, than the pre-war and wartime lens. I have one like it, slightly earlier- but the rear fixture hangs up on the RF Cam when used with the adapter on the M3. I will revisit it with the Digital Leica.


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p.869 #11 · p.869 #11 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Thank you very much for the comments and likes
Manoj, the 50 Cron IV is a beautiful lens! Love #1 and 2.
Charlie, nice competition of the violinist! Nice set, and I hope the 21 SEM is fixed soon

Edward, wonderful street series!! The red has often been an issue with the digital Leica. I do remember when the first M9's arrived, similar issue with the reds, so much so I opted for the next 12 months to use C1 Pro, as the colors were more accurate. With the later firmware updates, and later versions of Lr, the problem disappeared, and became less of a problem. Again when the first M240 came out the reds were again being wildly accentuated, and affected the skin tones and giving the effect of blotchy skin. I do think they need another FW update to correct this, combined with a better profile with Lr. Generally C1 Pro is a lot better, but a pain to use. In mixed lighting for skin tones, I just reduce the red saturation either in Lr, or CS via Lab color space. Bangkok street scenes I find very hard to balance as there are many conflicting colors, with the rich pinks, purples and reds. With portraits, I marginally reduce the sats of these, so the focus is on the subject. I agree, the increased DR and colors of the Sony are really nice, but the more I now look, I do think there is the effect of the sensor topping on the A7r's. No free lunch!!!

Joakim, beautiful B&W tones!!
Hanexp, cool action images!
Nico, love your graphic shots!
Phil, wonderful portrait renderings combining old with the M-M! Love the picture of the 5cm Sonnar.
Allen, excellent environmental portrait!!



Mar 03, 2014 at 12:45 AM
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p.869 #12 · p.869 #12 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


BrianVS wrote:
Mirek- the histogram shows the Red and Green channels are blown out, I suspect "15582" is saturation, somehow 16383 (14bits) less a Dark-Current value to being to 0. Odd that Red and Green would saturate, but blue is so much less sensitive. Very different from the M8 and M9. The IR cut filter usually cuts out some red as well. I need to look for the response curves for the M240, I remember seeing them somewhere. I have the M8 longsheet for the sensor.



Brian, The same values look suspicious, but RawDigger says that there is zero pixels overexposed in that image. If the histogram is shown in logarithmic scale, it looks like that there is only handful of pixels between 8k and 15882:






Mar 03, 2014 at 01:32 AM
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p.869 #13 · p.869 #13 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Thanks for the likes and comments All

Phil

M9 w/28 Cron







Mar 03, 2014 at 02:58 AM
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p.869 #14 · p.869 #14 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Thank you very much for the suggestion Mirek. I will try it this evening.

I have noticed the reds will be blown not only in shots containing lively reds, but even some normally exposed skin tones will show some blown parts.

Mirek Elsner wrote:

Edward, did you have a chance to look at the red exposure in raw files in RawDigger? I am wondering if the reds are really blown out in raw or if it is just a gamut or profile problem. Most of the time I look at my raws, it is the greens that are the most exposed. I heard the complaints about reds with m240 before, but I have never been able to generate that problem. Do you have any tips how to replicate it?

Here is an image and histogram from RawDigger.

http://elsners.org/misc/L1002100.jpg






Mar 03, 2014 at 04:04 AM
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p.869 #15 · p.869 #15 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


M9 W/ 40 CRON-C

















Mar 03, 2014 at 04:04 AM
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p.869 #16 · p.869 #16 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Guys, thank you so much for the comments, likes and suggestions on how to improve the M colors.

Hanexp, a fun set and the PP looks good to my eyes.

Nico, beautiful shots! I totally agree with you about the reds. I had the same experience with the M9 too. I needed to underexpose to avoid clipping the red channel, then push the exposure in post. I will need to follow the same strategy with the M.

Phil, adorable little girl (daughter?) portrait.

Brian, lovely portrait as well

Allen, again great portrait of your nurse, this time male

Charles, thank you so much for your nice comments and feedback. Indeed I agree that the camera profile can be improved. Unlike you, I'm too lazy to fiddle with individual colors, and mostly I screw up the color rather than correct it

Najib, nice work with the new M9. My favorite is the 2nd shot.




Mar 03, 2014 at 04:17 AM
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p.869 #17 · p.869 #17 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


More shots from yesterday with the biogon 35/2:


L1000128 by edward karaa, on Flickr


L1000129 by edward karaa, on Flickr


L1000131 by edward karaa, on Flickr


L1000135 by edward karaa, on Flickr



Mar 03, 2014 at 04:22 AM
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p.869 #18 · p.869 #18 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


and last installment:


L1000136 by edward karaa, on Flickr


L1000140 by edward karaa, on Flickr


L1000144 by edward karaa, on Flickr



Mar 03, 2014 at 04:24 AM
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p.869 #19 · p.869 #19 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


edwardkaraa wrote:
Guys, thank you so much for the comments, likes and suggestions on how to improve the M colors.

Hanexp, a fun set and the PP looks good to my eyes.

Nico, beautiful shots! I totally agree with you about the reds. I had the same experience with the M9 too. I needed to underexpose to avoid clipping the red channel, then push the exposure in post. I will need to follow the same strategy with the M.

Phil, adorable little girl (daughter?) portrait.

Brian, lovely portrait as well

Allen, again great portrait of your nurse, this time male

Charles, thank you
...Show more

Thanks Ed but older short haired female.

More great work Edward. Looks like you've been busy.



Mar 03, 2014 at 05:15 AM
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p.869 #20 · p.869 #20 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


^Your colours are looking great Ed, hope you're enjoying the M


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