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Nice Phil!!!!


Jun 30, 2013 at 01:22 AM
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In my post p720#2, I mentioned that I like to shoot the M9 at ISO 640 when it's overcast. Last week, shooting at night, I found that I really like the M9 color rendition at night and in mixed light. While the first shot is at ISO 800 and the chicken shot is at ISO 640. All of these could have been shot at ISO 640, or at least ISO 800. My tendency to go for ISO 1250 is simply because, for street photography, I tend to go for the smallest aperture(highest f-stop) possible in situations where it may be difficult to focus accurately, either because of general darkness or because the subject is in motion. My feeling is that many people will not like the second shot because of the "grain" and the fifth one (woman with o-o-f man's back in the foreground), but I rather like them both. My favorite ones right now are the first one, the chickens the beauty parlor and the fourth one. Here is a series on which I would welcome critique, including ideas for a better title and on which pictures should be cut from this series:

Bangkok Obvious [WIP]
Eggleston said that he was "at war with the obvious"...



Summilux-50 pre-ASPH | ISO 800 | f/2.0 | 1/60 sec

Bangkok





Summilux-50 pre-ASPH | ISO 1250 | f/5.6 | 1/60 sec

Bangkok




Summilux-50 pre-ASPH | ISO 1250 | f/2.8 | 1/125 sec

Bangkok




Summilux-50 pre-ASPH | ISO 640 | f/1.4 | 1/1500 sec

Bangkok




Summilux-50 pre-ASPH | ISO 1250 | f/2.8 | 1/500 sec

Bangkok




Summilux-50 pre-ASPH | ISO 1250 | f/4.8 | 1/125 sec

Bangkok




Summilux-50 pre-ASPH | ISO 1250 | f/4.0 | 1/125 sec

Bangkok




Summilux-50 pre-ASPH | ISO 1250 | f/3.4 | 1/125 sec

Bangkok




—Mitch/Bangkok
Bangkok Hysteria (download link for book project)

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Jun 30, 2013 at 08:20 AM
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p.729 #3 · p.729 #3 · Leica M/X/T Picture Thread


Mitch, nice set where I like #4 and #6 the most. regarding the two high ISO photos you mentioned I don't mind the grain in the first one but the second one is to grainy and flat for me.

Ron, Canada did pretty ok, 58th in his group out of 214. I've appreciated your photos with the 10.5 Nikkor, looks like a fine landscape lens as well.



Jun 30, 2013 at 10:08 AM
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Mitch Alland - As I'm looking at them, I'm thinking for the shots you took, the settings seem to be working against you. For instance, one shot mentions f/5.6 and honestly half the frame is dark, so really you could have gotten away with a f/2 exposure and you could have dropped the ISO considerably, and exposed properly since it seems you brought it up two stops in post (the grain in the images makes me think that you shot about 2 stops under and tried to bring it up, true?). I read that you said you have problems focusing in the dark, and honestly thinking back, in dark situations I'll usually either spend another second or two really trying to hit focus, or I'll take a succession of shots. You must have been shooting in really dark conditions if you felt the 5.6 was needed to maintain focus.

Shots 1, 3, 4, 7, 8 it happened that you got close on your exposure's and still maintained a very moody cinematic look, with the exception of 4 and 7, they're on the list for being acceptable (in my opinion) due to content (chicken photo, most of the frame is bright, the other I'll mention below). I feel that the 3rd one and the last one work the best for me, in giving that "gritty night market feel" Because your subjects are really illuminated (not just people, but important content like food/veggies). And there's very little grain distracting from the darker surroundings, which allows me to understand the scene better, without being distracted.


For me 2, 5, 6, 7, are really situations where unless you felt the person was going to yell at you, or stiffen up due to your presence, you could have honestly taken a few more seconds, and shot more wide open, and dropped the ISO down a bit. Again a lot of grain gives off the impression of the image being softer, so a cleaner file, would have sharpened up a little better (visually on the web).

I also mentioned 7 twice (once for content, and once for settings) because I felt you could have taken time with him, he doesn't look like he would have cared to look at you. And two, because of the framing, you could easily convert to black and white, and still get a great image, my eyes are really drawn to the subject right away, but the problem is, I'm quickly distracted by all the color noise, when I'm trying to place him (looking at the surroundings for more information about the scene). Black and white may take care of the color noise distraction.

I agree though, the M9 really happens to play well in the dark. I find my canon and nikon DSLRs really don't give me what I want (although that might be because I use more semi-automatic modes w/the DSLRs when walking around in the dark).


Admittedly one of the main reasons why I wanted the M camera so bad, was because it did better with high ISO settings. And shooting events, my mentality has shifted to making sure I get the best high ISO files possible. So anytime I see grain, I'm always correcting it (clients don't seem to like it to the point where sometimes black and white conversions are necessary).
Unfortunately these days my photographic likes and dislikes are set by my clients, and not by self-expression.



Jun 30, 2013 at 11:41 AM
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p.729 #5 · p.729 #5 · Leica M/X/T Picture Thread


Adam, thanks for taking the time to comment. We agree in the sense that, as I said, I could have shot the whole series at ISO 640. But this was the first time that I was shooting with the M9 at night and, also, I wanted to see how ISO 1250 would look. Another consideration is that I had street photography in mind, for which I generally want to get a good amount of d-o-f, because I usually shoot people coming towards me while I am walking towards them. As it turned out, however, that was not what I found interesting as I walked through this street, and the subjects that interested me I photographed while standing still. Still f/2.0 for some of these subjects would give me less d-o-f than I wanted. When I have a chance, I'll go back to this street at night and see what I get shooting at ISO 640 and 800.

On shot 2, I probably had the camera set to f/5.6 because I had just turned around from another subject and wanted to press the shutter before the arms and hands of the two men moves into another pattern. You're partially right on the exposure of this shot, in that, if you image a circle around the two men, the exposure of this circle is dodged by almost two stops; but an oval of the top right area (the area with bright light) is burned in 0.4 stops — otherwise this latter area is too bright and leads the eye too quickly away from the two men. In other words, I underexposed intentionally to keep down the overly bright area in this high contrast scene. (The burning and dodging is done using the new radial filter of LR5, which provides for controlled feathering and works very well.)

On shot 7, the grain doesn't bother me perhaps because there is good contrast on the man, and I think it will look okay in a print. But, then, I don't have to deal with clients — at which point all bets would be off.

—Mitch/Bangkok
Bangkok Obvious [WIP]
Eggleston said that he was "at war with the obvious"...



Jun 30, 2013 at 01:07 PM
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p.729 #6 · p.729 #6 · Leica M/X/T Picture Thread


from todays hike...all captured with M9P

























watching out for wildlive!




Jun 30, 2013 at 03:07 PM
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muc_marlin - Wow, fantastic hike, the low clouds/fog really make the images awesome. Particularly like #3, makes me wish I hadn't prematurely sold off my 90APO (couldn't focus without difficulty, but with a M240, I think I'll want it again). And the last one was amazing, is this your dog, or a found shot?


Jun 30, 2013 at 03:39 PM
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p.729 #8 · p.729 #8 · Leica M/X/T Picture Thread


Mitch Alland wrote:
Adam, thanks for taking the time to comment. We agree in the sense that, as I said, I could have shot the whole series at ISO 640. But this was the first time that I was shooting with the M9 at night and, also, I wanted to see how ISO 1250 would look. Another consideration is that I had street photography in mind, for which I generally want to get a good amount of d-o-f, because I usually shoot people coming towards me while I am walking towards them. As it turned out, however, that was not what I
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Agree with your motives, I often find myself shooting @ 5.6 with moving subjects as well, just thought I'd chime in since the shots were interesting (content wise), and I really liked the thought that went into creating an overall mood. And since you wrote about your process before posting, I figured it warranted a lengthy comment since I find myself in the streets of bangkok quite often as well shooting in a more gritty dark style.
Oddly enough, I generally bring my Canon/Nikon camera with me, as I like to do video a lot while at temples etc, the monks are always doing something interesting that warrants the extra weight. NOW I can just bring the M240 Although that won't help at all with video processing (tons of Nikon and Canon footage, none of it edited into anything presentable.)



Jun 30, 2013 at 03:44 PM
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p.729 #9 · p.729 #9 · Leica M/X/T Picture Thread


adamdewilde, thanks a lot! Yes, this Sakima my very much loved siberian husky. He just love to stare down the mountains. Very frequently he sees wildlife, therefore I have always to watch him very closely. If we are walking he is always on a leash most of the times on the summits as well.


Jun 30, 2013 at 03:50 PM
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p.729 #10 · p.729 #10 · Leica M/X/T Picture Thread


btw. I am really amazed by the natural sharpness of the three lenses I have! Since I have the M9P, a couple of days, I don't sharpen the pics anymore!


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p.729 #11 · p.729 #11 · Leica M/X/T Picture Thread


muc_marlin

1st and last one are amazing. That dog looks almost like wolf. Rest is very good too. I like your way of post-process.



Jun 30, 2013 at 04:06 PM
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muc_marlin wrote:
btw. I am really amazed by the natural sharpness of the three lenses I have! Since I have the M9P, a couple of days, I don't sharpen the pics anymore!


M9 doesnt have AA filter so most of the time it doesnt need sharpening at all (or only very small amounts). And you have pretty much best lens possible..



Jun 30, 2013 at 04:08 PM
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Mescalamba wrote:
muc_marlin

1st and last one are amazing. That dog looks almost like wolf. Rest is very good too. I like your way of post-process.


Thanks a lot!

This with the wolf I hear a lot of times, particular from children's, when we pass them they say not very seldom to their parents, look a wolf!



Jun 30, 2013 at 04:15 PM
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Mescalamba wrote:
M9 doesnt have AA filter so most of the time it doesnt need sharpening at all (or only very small amounts). And you have pretty much best lens possible..



Agree with this.. I had the 28, 50, 90 combo for a while, and honestly an amazing combo.
I've switched things up a bit, I'll explain with photos (at and after my wedding obviously since right now I am camera-less according to my fiance who wont even let me look at the M240 until the wedding).


And yes, beautiful husky (had one when I was really young [up till I was around 6], he use to pull me around on my sled).



Jun 30, 2013 at 04:35 PM
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M8.2 + 35/2 ASPH

Verdon, France


Cannes, France






Aiguille du Midi, Chamonix, France


Riederalp, Switzerland



Jun 30, 2013 at 06:35 PM
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Shuko - great set and welcome to the thread!

Mitch, what I like about these is you didn't try to neutralize the white balance much, if at all. Adam mentioned a cinematic feel to them, which for me is more personal reminiscence of shooting medium speed E6 unfiltered under fluorescent lighting. The yellows and greens in the skin tones work for me here, whereas I am usually quite bothered by such a color shift (ingrained in me by client work, as Adam mentioned, where the most flattering effect is desired). I think your approach here effectively underscores the feeling of walking through an Asian night market, the sights, sounds, smells.. it's never a 'sanitary' experience, and the color balance enhances that effect/mood. Hopefully not opening a can of worms here, but some of this has to be related to Leica's choice of color 'look' for the M9, which has been stated before, was intended to emulate Kodachrome.

Browsing through your Flickr stream again, and I was really drawn (again) to the photo of the girl in the bus window, which has a very similar color mood. Then I reacquainted myself with your earlier B&W market images and was really torn. I felt a number of those were more dynamic and pulled me into them more successfully than these, either due to composition or the ability to explore the layers of details in them... The images in this series are 'quieter' and underscore a feeling I often had in large cities in Taiwan, that while there are always people around, it's not necessarily always overwhelmingly busy and one can find moments of solitude.

The images that pull me back for more study are 2, 3, 6 and 7. I like the apparent interaction between the two men in #2 and how the arm positioning/gesture is repeated somewhat in the poster in the background. I'd probably have to see the image in print to say whether or not the grain bothers me. Maybe some chroma noise reduction, but still, I think it works for me as is. #3 has a feeling of serenity and a certain elegance among chaos that I like. The WB really works well, I think, and ties in the surroundings with the stark greens of the veggies. #6 has me imagining what they're gossiping about. #7's appeal for me is a lot like #3 and the loose framing puts him in the context of his environment. I think my favorites are #3 and 7. #4 also works well in terms of the mood and lighting, just doesn't pull me in as much as the others with people in them. I have mixed feelings about #5. There is something about the moment that intrigues me, the spontaneity, yet I'm unable to fully eliminate my technical dislike for the missed focus and overall murkiness of the image.

I think I can sympathize with you about hitting focus in such situations. It can be tricky and the extra depth of field can be beneficial. But I think I agree with Adam that for some a wider aperture and less need to push in post would probably have resulted in richer/purer colors that would in turn have complemented the scenes. This is what I like about the color in #4 of the chickens, and #3.

From a technical consideration, we discussed here a while ago whether there is any real benefit to shooting the M9 at higher ISOs vs. ISO 160 and pushing in post. Jim Kasson wrote up a fairly technical look into this with various cameras, including the M9. IIRC, he determined shooting between 160-640 was pretty much a wash, with perhaps a slight edge to in-camera ISO adjustment, but above that, there was some benefit to pushing in post vs. in-camera.

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Peter, that's a fantastic set! I'm really drawn to the first image, and love the last one of your dog. #4 also has great mood with the clouds. I've spent some rather limited time in the Zillertal area and really enjoyed watching the clouds 'dance' with the mountains. It's such a fluid, ever changing experience. I think many people hope for clear sunny skies on their ski or hiking trips, but I think the somewhat unsettled days are the most visually interesting.

Joakim - thanks for the race update. I guess that's a respectable finish. Regarding the Nikkor - being an older design it's not as technically accomplished as some newer lenses for across-frame sharpness in landscapes. I never have the feeling that it's razor sharp at wider apertures and farther distances. It seems to be better wide open at near distances. The canoe shot above, viewed at full rez, would have been technically better (sharper) with the 90 Summarit. Ultimately, I guess it depends on what you want from a telephoto lens in a given situation.

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Jun 30, 2013 at 06:38 PM
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Shuko

Welcome and I would like to say (write) that those composition with moon are really nice. I like that one with boats.. Nice colors too.



Jul 01, 2013 at 02:34 AM
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rscheffler wrote:
...Mitch, what I like about these is you didn't try to neutralize the white balance much, if at all. Adam mentioned a cinematic feel to them, which for me is more personal reminiscence of shooting medium speed E6 unfiltered under fluorescent lighting. The yellows and greens in the skin tones work for me here, whereas I am usually quite bothered by such a color shift (ingrained in me by client work, as Adam mentioned, where the most flattering effect is desired). I think your approach here effectively underscores the feeling of walking through an Asian night market, the sights, sounds,
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Ron, thanks for looking so closely and widely, and for taking the time to write your comments, which I find interesting and useful. On the white balance, you're right: going over my Lightroom 5 files, I see that I adjusted the white balance only in no. 6 (beauty parlor) — and that was a minor tweak. Generally, for daylight shots, I adjust the white balance to various degrees; but in these night shots the M9-P gave me essentially the color rendition that I wanted. Human perception of color is a complex matter in terms of what image is formed on the retina and what adjustments are made by the brain that gives us the actual perception. And even more complicated is our memory, say, of the colors of a face we see in candlelight or fluorescent light and what we may remember from seeing that face in the daylight from a window facing north. I think you get what I mean: to get the feeling of nighttime and the actual ambient light it's necessary to retain some of the "color shifts" that occur. A lot of ink has been spilled on this ever since the Impressionists started thinking about the actual colors that can be seen in shadows and on subjects lit by various types of light. Also, after reading your posting I search the internet for paintings that used these type of color shifts, and the best examples I found were Rembrand's famous self portrait and his Night Watch, but also some portraits by Lucien Freud are interesting to look at in this respect.

Your reference to the fact that Kodachrome was the model for for the color rendition of the M9 warms the cockles of my heart, for I think that Kodak and Leica did a great job in this respect. The issue of the color rendition of the M9 vs the M240 is a hornets' nest, because many people who have the new camera feel strongly that it's only a matter of appropriate profiles and processing. Perhaps after there is a firmware upgrade from Leica and some better raw processing profiles they may be proven right and the color output of the M9 and the M240 may become very similar. Although I don't want to fuel any fires, I am still skeptical and am glad that I have the M9-P because, having looked at a lot of people's output from the M240 and having processed some DNGs as well, my feeling is that there is a difference in color rendition that may remain. I realize that this may not be entirely a CCD vs a CMOS issue, and that the color filter may be involved as well. In any case, my mind is not closed on the subject.



Browsing through your Flickr stream again, and I was really drawn (again) to the photo of the girl in the bus window, which has a very similar color mood. Then I reacquainted myself with your earlier B&W market images and was really torn. I felt a number of those were more dynamic and pulled me into them more successfully than these, either due to composition or the ability to explore the layers of details in them... The images in this series are 'quieter' and underscore a feeling I often had in large cities in Taiwan, that while there are always people...Show more

Of course B&W and color are very difference in the nature of the expression, which is why the idea of the M-Monochrom — as well it's implementation — is so good: so that one can think and feel differently when shooting with a B&W and a color camera. I'll take the liberty of posting here the picture of the girl in the bus window because it may be the best picture that I've taken with the M9-P. It was taken in Paris in mid-February on a cold, gray day with the light overall being somewhat blueish. Again, on checking the file in Lightroom 5, I see that i didn't adjust the white balance. I was sitting on a bus and shooting through my bus window at the bus that was passing us in the other direction less than two feet away. You can just make out the lettering on my bus window that says, "ISSUE DE SECOURS".


Paris


The images that pull me back for more study are 2, 3, 6 and 7. I like the apparent interaction between the two men in #2 and how the arm positioning/gesture is repeated somewhat in the poster in the background. I'd probably have to see the image in print to say whether or not the grain bothers me. Maybe some chroma noise reduction, but still, I think it works for me as is. #3 has a feeling of serenity and a certain elegance among chaos that I like. The WB really works well, I think, and ties in the surroundings with...Show more

Basically, I like #5 but have the same mixed feelings as you do about the missed focus. On the other hand, I am not sure it would work for me if the woman was in sharp focus. Perhaps if there were some other pictures in the series that were intentionally in soft focus…Come to think of it, I'm vacillating about this picture because I have much more trouble in color than in B&W in trying to get away from an "exquisite" look that I don't want in order to achieve something more expressive.

You didn't say anything about #1, which I bring up here because I was much taken when I processed it by the chiaroscuro and the colors in the umbrellas. Essentially, this picture was correctly exposed, but I brought up the exposure by 0.7 stops and burned in the light coming from the left edge of the frame to bring the viewers eye more to the right side of the frame. Do you have any thoughts on this picture?


I think I can sympathize with you about hitting focus in such situations. It can be tricky and the extra depth of field can be beneficial. But I think I agree with Adam that for some a wider aperture and less need to push in post would probably have resulted in richer/purer colors that would in turn have complemented the scenes. This is what I like about the color in #4 of the chickens, and #3.

From a technical consideration, we discussed here a while ago whether there is any real benefit to shooting the M9 at higher ISOs vs. ISO 160
...Show more

Yes, interesting: I saw some posts by "douglas3f" on the idea of shooting the M9 at ISO 640 and then pushing one or two stops when developing. As mentioned, I intend to go back to the location of these pictures at night and try shooting at ISO 640. However, I didn't understand from douglas3f's posts how to expose at the ISO 640 speed. I suppose he means exposing to the right as much as possible without hitting the right side of the histogram; but, if so, what is the best way of exposing in the dynamic situation of street photography when you don't have the time for a test shot? In any case, the image on the LCD will not help since it will show underexposure by one or two stops.


Bangkok Obvious [WIP]
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Jul 01, 2013 at 04:20 AM
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Ron - The second and third shot with the tree branches, really awesome!
I'd say the second shot gets points for having so many branches adding to the interesting texture of the bokeh, but the third shot gets the points for composition.

Go back with a ladder, and got the third shot from a higher angle

Mitch - I don't remember ever seeing the bus shot?! I've looked through this whole forum at least twice over in the past few years.



Jul 01, 2013 at 05:51 AM
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Adam, perhaps my memory is faulty and I posted it on RFF — or did I post it in another thread?

EDIT: Correction, no, I posted this picture in p720#2 of this thread.

On Ron's tree branch pictures, I like the second one; the third one has too many circle shapes in the bokeh, which I find distracting.

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