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p.718 #1 · p.718 #1 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


charles.K wrote:
rirakuma, thank you for your help Very nice shots! Thanks guys!

Ryan, great shots, particularly the one of the umbrella! Congratulations on the M-M Love the last B&W shot
Mitch, nice captures! Favorites are the last two

Adam, if you are a 50FL'er, having both the 50AA and Nocti is no issue, as they are completely different lenses. I have both the 50 Lux, and 50 Nocti f/1.0, and I treat them very differently. The 50 Lux has MFD of 0.7m which is very handy, while the 50 Nocti has a MFD of 1.0m, but is a very different beast.

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Charles, my wife thanks you, my bank account does not. She actually threatened to abduct my Noctilux if I bought it, but what she doesn't realize is, I would gladly buy the Noctilux to see her shooting again. I think I'm going to start paying attention the the forums.

BTW, don't forget that I mentioned the 28cron really isn't as appealing on a M240, for whatever reason. So there might be more lens shuffling soon.



Jul 31, 2013 at 04:25 AM
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p.718 #2 · p.718 #2 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


edwardkaraa wrote:
Thank you Gary. This confirms my suspicion that banding is very body dependent. My M9 doesn't show any banding either, even when I push iso 2500 by 1 or 2 stops, while others have complained about banding even at iso 2500 or lower. The M240 seems to be similar in this respect.



No banding for me on my M240, nor was there banding on an M240 I bought for my friend. Nor is there banding on the new M240 sitting in my room waiting for a buyer (I was trigger happy for my wedding, and I put a deposit down at the three biggest Leica dealers in SG, my last order was full-filled three days ago, I've tested the camera and as soon as I get back from my vacations, I'm selling it off, the wife doesn't want it, I already asked).

BTW, on the same note, ALL the M240's I've had in my possession, the startup time to LV and startup time to shoot is 100% card dependent. I got my friend to bring the M240 I sold him to my house, and I did all the testing with the same cards.. The card causes the camera to be slower, not the camera, this is confirmed by 3 M240 cameras, so let's assume this to be a truth. I didn't shoot with the new camera (other then taking a few test shots to check the sensor on low and high ISO), so I didn't test the ISO locking problem, but my friends camera does it ONLY when not in A mode shutter.. I think it's a problem more when you set your own shutter speed, it seems to work fine when you use A shutter for him, but it's "dicy" for me in A mode.

My Battery problem was a one off, I tried that same battery twice more now. And both times it kept the charge. I think maybe the camera got confused, and the battery was full, but the camera "thought" it empty. That or, something fell on the trigger while in the drycab, and I didn't notice.. Though that's most likely not the case.


Nothing else right now I can think of that may be a problem. Other then I still don't have a card that does 1second or less startup. Even with the formatting program Gary mentioned I download and try. Which is weird since I have multiple cards ranging from fastest available to 30mbps slow. But a few top speed cards of different brands are headed my way by Amazon, so I will update ASAP.



Jul 31, 2013 at 04:39 AM
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p.718 #3 · p.718 #3 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


zhangyue wrote:
Adam, I am not sure 50 can replace 35 as FOV change is dramatic enough. (35 might be able to take 50's role temporally, but not other way around.)

If you don't care weight. 50Noxt 0.95 is all you need. It is perfect enough. Otherwise, 28cron +50lux ASPH seems one of best setup for M system. I don;t recommend 90cron simply because of Rangefinder.

With 35lux and 75lux as 2nd setup depend on you mood? you can take 28cron+50lux, 28cron+75lux, 35lux+75lux, or 35lux only.

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Hi,

Agree with you, it's not exactly the same, I've illustrated this point multiple times to my wife, using a zoom lens and walking, both with video and with stills. Her argument is that she actually prefers less clutter in her images, and just prefers the 50 FL over the 35 FL, and because they're so similar, she doesn't feel the need to own both FLs.

I showed her Ron's 21Lux environmental portrait, and she thinks it's neat.. But doesn't want me using my M240 for work, as she said it'll spoil my love for rangefinders. So she rather I get the "cheaper" 21 SEM, and two 50s (but only take one 50 on vacation), so I have what she thinks is a perfect travel set. Her opinion is, when on vacation your in love with your environment and want to take it all in, so the 21 in good. Although when I mentioned the 15mm ZM she commented "to wide". She also said since I have the 28cron I can just stick with that.. Although it might be hard indoors to shoot all that I want to take in.


Anyway, I also agree that 28/50 is a good set and 35/75 is a good set. I always felt that my 90APO was to hard to use on a rangefinder for the types of subjects I shoot. The 75APO is actually great on a rangefinder, so much easier to use then the 90APO.. But if I did have 35/75 combo, the 35 I'd want is my old friend the 35Lux-asph non-fle. And I can't seem to find one at a good price.
Another thing is, if i had the two sets as you suggest, then I'll be back to where I was on the M9p, struggling to figure out which set I wanted to use..



Jul 31, 2013 at 04:55 AM
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p.718 #4 · p.718 #4 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


rsolti13 wrote:
I can get by with 28 and 50 only....the 35 is handy for one lens outings, but I pretty much agree with the step back for 35mm view when shooting 50 and step forward for 75mm view. Once you try to get wider than a 35mm view in a 50mm lens shot though it is too different. The angle is totally different with 28mm where simply taking a few steps back gives a totally different perspective

If my option was 35 Lux, 50 Lux and 75 Cron OR 50 Cron APO and 50 Noctilux I take the 50s. The 75 is
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Ryan - haha, it seems I owe you a coffee then. Yeah, I'm actually considering the 50 APO and Noctilux, but I think I might have a hard time giving up the 50Lux for the two lenses, when you consider the price difference.

It's definitely something I have to give thought to.. But to be honest, I do use the 28/50 combo, whereas I usually leave the 75 at home. I honestly haven't shot enough with the M240 though to really tell.. I think my upcoming vacations will give me a better indication of what I want to do with my lens lineup.


BTW, I like the trees!



Jul 31, 2013 at 05:00 AM
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p.718 #5 · p.718 #5 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


M9 with 50lux ASPH


















Jul 31, 2013 at 08:09 AM
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p.718 #6 · p.718 #6 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Mitch - love the colors in #1
Gary - you know I don't mind the kid pics , really like #3 and #4
Michael - #2 and #3 are excellent, great mood in #3

For those of you that have not tried the MM yet....you are missing out. The files from this camera are just unreal. I can't believe how different the files are from the M9 converted to B/W. And the ability to put it on auto ISO and not worry, something I didn't know was possible with a Leica

Keeping with kid pics.....


MM & CV 50 Nokton II















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Jul 31, 2013 at 12:08 PM
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p.718 #7 · p.718 #7 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Mitch & Zhangyue, lovely colors as usual.
Gary, nice pics with the old lenses. That 50 1.4 looks like it has a bit of glow to it
Rsolti, nice work with the MM. I agree with you that the MM is unmatched when it comes to B+W

I've been using Zeiss lenses for a while now and I'm enjoying the change in drawing style. I've been especially intrigued with the rendering of this summarit 1.5.





Jul 31, 2013 at 12:48 PM
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adamdewilde wrote:
Couple of not so quick questions for those who care to read/chime in..

My wife and I had a long debate, I'll spare you the details, but her take was: If she used an M240 her two lenses would be the 50APO and 50Noctilux (she's a fifty lover). Her logic, if you want technical perfection, and are in sunny conditions the 50APO is all you need. If you want dreamy bokeh or a good low light lens, the 50Noctilux is all you need. Reason to have both, one's small and makes a good all around lens, the other one is a
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Other than the cost (for me), I think it's logical to have both 50mm lenses in question in order to harness the strengths/characteristics of each. It's why I use and will carry both the 21 Lux and SEM during the same job/event/outing.

I still want to try the 50AA for myself, but my theory at the moment is at the 50mm focal length it would be the equivalent to the 21 SEM for my needs - technical perfection and an all around go-to lens that can be used for pretty much anything. But instead of pairing such a lens with a Nocti, I have explored various vintage 50mm options to find variations of character that appeals to me while my Lux ASPH stands in for the 50AA. That said, I still do most of my 50mm images with the Lux ASPH. The Nocti makes sense for the extra two stops over the AA and its creamier wide open look... how important that is, will depend on how you like to shoot.

I can appreciate how flexible a given focal length can be by just moving your feet a bit. But sometimes you can't, and will then be frustrated. Or you can't get the subject/background juxtaposition you want. At least for me, I really do feel 'naked' going someplace with only one lens. Even if I only shoot with just one lens, as I did for most of the recent photos I posted, it's reassuring to have my regular kit (21/28/50/90) with me.

This is such a subjective thing and I know a lot of guys really like the minimalist approach. The closest for me has been keeping a reasonable gap between focal lengths. For this reason I have a difficult time reacquainting myself with 35mm and 75mm.

My 2.

charles.K wrote:
It would be an interesting poll to take, as to what lenses people settle with after having the M series for about 6 to 12 months. Initially we want all the lenses, but I found I have settled on a few favorites that suit me now. These are the 24 Lux, 50 Nocti f1.0/50 Lux and 75 Lux. On the M-M, the lenses behave differently, and I am liking the 28 Cron/35 Lux more now. The 75 Cron AA on the M-M is also very good, but plain on the M9P.


I agree, but for me 6-12 months wasn't enough time to settle into a system. Part of the problem might be the sheer amount of potentially interesting glass available. Related to this, I think I agree with Joe's theory about keeping modern and vintage sets, as well as sets that work best with specific cameras. Because I only have the M9, I'm not concerned about the latter, but definitely am working towards functional modern & vintage sets. 2.5 years later and I'm now pretty content with at least my modern collection, though my overall kit is definitely not minimalist. But what I take with me typically is 'only' four lenses.

Edward - interesting about banding. Just reaffirms for me that I should see about testing a second M9.



Jul 31, 2013 at 03:41 PM
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p.718 #9 · p.718 #9 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


rirakuma, nice shot. love the background!

now this just isn't fair....MM at ISO 3200




















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p.718 #10 · p.718 #10 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Sorry, have been kind of awol from the thread and have missed a lot.

Ryan - congrats on the MM & 28 Cron. It will be really interesting to see how this works for you. So far your MM images are gorgeous! I haven't shot with one yet, but totally agree with you about the MM's files, having played with a number. They're so malleable and the lack of interpolation from a CFA gets rid of the chunkiness in the grain one can get from M9 B&W conversions. BTW, for M9 B&W conversions, I find it's critical to slide color noise reduction to zero. WB and tint also have an influence. Even though the image is 'B&W,' it's a superficial layer, under which resides the color original, still influencing the look of the B&W interpretation. Not so with the MM!

rirakuma - wow, the 50/1.5 Summarit is quite the departure from Zeissiness. Very nice work with it in a situation that could provoke veiling flare from the open sky in the background.

Michael - beautiful moments of your daughter! I thought you wrote she now tends to not like you photographing her? I love the playfulness of the first and the moodiness of the last.

Mitch - the first one #16, is by far my favorite here. But all have great color and mood.

Gary - for me this is why we we're creating images - documenting our lives. Great to see the Nikkor get some love and also the 180... really nice moments of your kids!

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It wasn't until about the end of the day when I used a lens other than the 28 Cron. The last image above was with the 50 Lux ASPH.



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Ryan - Wow the MM, nice, didn't realize you bought it.. I'v considered it, but I rarely if ever shoot black and white images (or even convert to black and white). I just like colors to much, so although it has numerous advantages, I might not be able to get past the mental block of not being able to shoot in color.

Ron - Great shots of the little boy. Nice capture on the last shot, really good moment.
Also, interesting take on the lens discussion. I'm leaning towards the 50APO as an everyday walk around lens, but if I don't get that and the Noct. I wouldn't likely sell the 50LUX to buy some random fun rendering lens like the sonnar or anything. I'd still want a as good as you're going to get fast lens.. Hence the Noct or Lux. Price wise the APO and Noct are killer on the budget, but the 50APO and the 50LUX are pretty doable (since I already have the lux), I'm just thinking that it would be truly a headache trying to decide which lens to bring out. Another option is going with the Noct. and the 50cron-non-apo, or the 50/2 ZM (which I really like). And still keep the LUX, but then I have a real headache with three 50mm lenses :?
Something I'll have to decide (firstworldproblems)..

On another note, I'll be testing a S-system this weekend if weather/time permits.
(if not, I'll be using the M-system, so either way I'll have some images to put up, finally).








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edwardkaraa wrote:
Thank you Gary. This confirms my suspicion that banding is very body dependent. My M9 doesn't show any banding either, even when I push iso 2500 by 1 or 2 stops, while others have complained about banding even at iso 2500 or lower. The M240 seems to be similar in this respect.


I got banding when shooting a sequence with my M9, and it usually didn't show until about the 3rd successive shot. Different SD cards would make little differences, but I could repeat it over and over again when shooting successive shots without allowing a few seconds between buffer clears.



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p.718 #13 · p.718 #13 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Very nice post on previous pages, and this page!

Very nice Gary love the rendering of that glass, sell it to me?

Ryan your are gonna love the high iso of the mono! It is so clean at 2400 it's superb! Looking at your stuff, is loosening the B and W block from my mind (seriously), I've been shooting in color with my Ricoh GR to keep me tame for awhile. now that I am starting to convert them to B and W, I believe I'm getting my sense's back for B and W

Ron that last one has some awesome lighting and 3D Pop! wow

Phil



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jojomon11 wrote:
Very nice Gary love the rendering of that glass, sell it to me?



Sure Phil. Everything I own could be sold - for the right price.

Douglas - I will have to do some banding testing as I never shoot in C mode (unless by accident).



Jul 31, 2013 at 07:26 PM
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Gary Clennan wrote:
Sure Phil. Everything I own could be sold - for the right price.

Douglas - I will have to do some banding testing as I never shoot in C mode (unless by accident).


You may even see the issue you take consecutive shots in single shot mode too quickly.



Jul 31, 2013 at 07:57 PM
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Thanks Adam and Phil!

Adam - I vote 50AA because no one else here has one currently. Any of those combos can be rationalized, I guess... Where I can't comment from experience is the Nocti. It's definitely got a creamy/dreamy look, but how much more than the Lux ASPH? Sure, more, but in one-off images, is it going to offset other factors such as size, weight, cost? Not quite the same thing, but back in about 2007-8 I stopped shooting with the Canon 70-200 2.8 IS in favor of the f/4 IS version (smaller, lighter, sharper, higher contrast, better against backlighting, better AF consistency), and sure, while the f/2.8 will blur the background a bit more, on its own, the f/4 works fine. No client has ever said there wasn't enough background blur. For me the benefit of f/2.8, or f/0.95 in the case of the Nocti, would primarily be for low light work where the extra stop or two could be useful. But with the M240, you probably could get by with f/1.4...

Maybe Phil or Ryan K can chime in here about the Nocti..? Or Hilmar, who is the only guy I know who has used all three at one point or another.

douglasf13 wrote:
I got banding when shooting a sequence with my M9, and it usually didn't show until about the 3rd successive shot. Different SD cards would make little differences, but I could repeat it over and over again when shooting successive shots without allowing a few seconds between buffer clears.


douglasf13 wrote:
You may even see the issue you take consecutive shots in single shot mode too quickly.


Exactly what I see, on both points. Sequences can also be with advance set to S but done in rapid succession, and banding is evident. The camera has always been like this. I just live with it since most of the time it isn't obvious or noticeable in images. But I can often see it if I dig far enough in to files with aggressive adjustments in post.



Jul 31, 2013 at 10:58 PM
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p.718 #17 · p.718 #17 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Ryan, wonderful rendering with the M-M! It is an amazing camera ISO 10,000 is very good also.

Ron, excellent images of the boy! Great colors and lighting. I have noticed your recent PP'ing of shots are just improving all the time!

Adam, the 50AA would be great, but have you considered the 50 Nocti f/1.0, as it is lighter, smaller and half the price. If this lens does not agree with your style, it is very easily sold and maybe then exchanged for the 0.95, or something else. I think here you would have a great contrast between the two styles of lenses, and possibly fitting easily within your budget.

I must admit I was so close on getting the 0.95 Nocti, but jumped when f/1.0 came up, and I have no intention in upsizing...yet

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Charles, Ron - I think my best bet is to borrow/test a 0.95 for a few days, and see how it stacks up in general use as well as night use against my Lux, and if there's a clear difference, I might consider putting up with the weight.

As far as the 50APO goes, I think it deserves to be borrowed again as well, but right now I'm testing an S-system for a potential business purchase. so all this will have to happen when I'm back from vacation.

For the Noctilux-f/1 I've used it briefly, and had a chance to own it several times between $2k-$3k and passed it up, now it's running in the $6k-$8k range, and I just don't know if I could justify it over the 0.95 which is slightly more corrected. But I do love the dreamy photos yours produces.. And I hear it's good with swirly bokeh?!



Aug 01, 2013 at 05:50 AM
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Ron, really nice shots of the kid. I really like the rendering of #2 & #3. Only the 28 Cron. I also agree with Charles, the pp looks excellent. The color really pops even on my dull work monitor

MM with 50 Nokton II


























Aug 01, 2013 at 11:51 AM
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p.718 #20 · p.718 #20 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Man this thread just moves. I was out of town last weekend on a shoot and have been crazy busy since I've been back. Sorry I haven't comment but I will go through and like the things I like.






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