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p.686 #1 · p.686 #1 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Thanks guys!

Ryan, those look good! I guess it's as you say, the lens probably handles best with near subjects and sufficient background separation.

Adam, I regret not experimenting more with the Summarit at that time because I also like the results from it. From the dozen or so images I did, it seems pretty well behaved. The big unknown for me is how it handles 1.5-3m subject distances with varying degrees of background separation. But any lens has bokeh problems at certain distances (other than maybe the 35/2 Sonnar in the RX1 ). During that particular visit to the Leica store, the salesman wanted me to try the 35/2.5 as well, but since I had the ZM35/2.8, wasn't all that interested. He was very enthusiastic about it, and in hindsight, I've seen some nice images from it as well.

Yeah, I was kind of surprised how nicely those 21 Lux shots above worked out. I also did a bunch with the 21 SEM, but they all look a lot more clinical than those from the Lux wide open. The challenge of shooting in that enclosure was that the 'windows' were all covered in screens to keep out the bugs, which of course with digital cameras, especially those without AA filters, resulted in massive moire problems. I had to shoot at either f/16 or try wide open, but if wide open, the plane of focus couldn't be near the screens. Even then there was still some moire to clean up. I think some of it might be RAW converter related and also dependent on actual slider settings. Anyway, it's a challenging shooting environment.

These were from our first day there, just having checked in and it turned out to be about the only sunlight we saw for the remainder of the stay, unfortunately. Knowing the weather might be bad in the coming days, I definitely wanted to take advantage of the last slivers of sunlight...

28 Cron at f/16. Very posed, but still nice IMO :






Canon 50/1.4 LTM. You can see it in Gary's images, and what I like about it is the smooth wash over the images at f/1.4, though details are still pretty sharp with it:



























Jul 02, 2013 at 05:42 PM
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p.686 #2 · p.686 #2 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


rscheffler wrote:
I briefly tried the 50/2.5 Summarit at a Leica store a while ago. At that time I was for some reason more concerned about far distance performance and did a number of infinity shots, etc.. All I did for near distance were these two at about MFD, which is 80cm.

First is sooc but the last two I think have had some tweaks:

Not sure the last one will tell you much, but it's wide open and focused at the near end of the sign at left. Unfortunately I didn't shoot anything in the 1.5-2m range.


that certainly looks better (bokeh wise) than i would expect any of the non asph 50 crons to do in the same situation. maybe the summarit would be a good choice for bokeh for those who can handle the "slow" speed. that is certainly the case for the 35mm summarit.



Jul 02, 2013 at 05:45 PM
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p.686 #3 · p.686 #3 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


rscheffler wrote:
Thanks guys!

Ryan, the only solution is the 50 Lux ASPH or 0.95 Nocti. The 50AA also looks pretty decent in the bokeh department. Unfortunately, other than Adam's trial of it, I don't think anyone here has personal experience with it.

I guess it's all subjective as I don't find the look of the CV that bad. It sits somewhere between the Lux ASPH and pre-ASPH bokeh. By the looks of it a bit closer to the pre-ASPH.



Yes, tried it twice, and was suppose to send photos from the second trial, but got rained on and didn't end up taking any worthwhile photos (SORRY).
I'll try to snag it again for the wedding, although I'll probably be busy trying out a new lens or two that I've recently picked up

This time either way, you'll get some images from me, I'm dying to use the new camera... It's calling to me.



Jul 02, 2013 at 05:45 PM
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p.686 #4 · p.686 #4 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


rsolti13 wrote:
Adam, I would agree with a lot of what you say, but the majority of where I have seen the Nokton exhibit 'busy' bokeh where the Lux ASPH would really show its true colors is the first shot above. Busy areas about 10-15 feet behind the subject. When the background is about 20 feet or greater back it is very smooth, see below...shot wide open. BUT, at 1/4th the price of the LUX Asph its a hell of a deal. The sharpness on the focus area is excellent

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I did more playing around with the CV Nokton 50 f/1.5 today.....now I'm
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Sorry, I didn't mean to plant any seeds. I just had a hard time loving the lens when I owned it. Obviously if you compare it to the 50summilux-asph you're going to be disappointed (but for the price you shouldn't be). I'd sooner take the 50/2 ZM and just make due with a f/2 lens. I find that it's a great lens, and the bokeh is more manageable. If you had the money for a 50APO that'd be the way to go.. The 50cron is to close to the 50 ZM to warrant paying double the price. Although I suppose the same could be said for the 50APO (at that price, it's almost better to buy a noct, if you don't mind the weight).



Jul 02, 2013 at 05:47 PM
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p.686 #5 · p.686 #5 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


just what i was about to ask! CV50mm 1.5 vm or planar f2!


Jul 02, 2013 at 06:04 PM
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p.686 #6 · p.686 #6 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Planar 50 ZM for the win! I actually really enjoyed it while I had it.. Honestly, I gave it up for a SILLY reason. I thought it looked funny that I was running around with a expensive Leica camera, and a Zeiss lens. So I sold it in favor of a 50cron, and if memory serves, I felt dumb for doing so..

Same thing happened with my 35/2 ZM, I sold it for a 35cron-asph, and really REALLY felt dumb for doing so.


GUYS, quick question. I noticed in the PDF of the Leica manual (M240) it says that once the batt reaches 80% you should unplug it to avoid overcharging... Seriously? Wouldn't the charger have overcharge protection built in? Page 16 of the PDF, or 141 (I'm guessing for the hardcopy).



Jul 02, 2013 at 06:27 PM
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p.686 #7 · p.686 #7 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


eninety wrote:
just what i was about to ask! CV50mm 1.5 vm or planar f2!


Well, if you're willing to suffer from focus shift anyway and have some extra cash, the ZM C-Sonnar IMHO is a better option than the Nokton. But as far as I'm concerned, I love the Planar.



Jul 02, 2013 at 06:35 PM
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p.686 #8 · p.686 #8 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


adamdewilde wrote:
GUYS, quick question. I noticed in the PDF of the Leica manual (M240) it says that once the batt reaches 80% you should unplug it to avoid overcharging... Seriously? Wouldn't the charger have overcharge protection built in? Page 16 of the PDF, or 141 (I'm guessing for the hardcopy).


Hey Adam. I have yet to unplug the charger when it reaches 80%. I usually plug in my battery before bed and unplug it in the morning. Actually, once I left it on the charger for two days by accident. When it reaches full charge, it goes in to idle/maintain mode. No worries - same deal as charging any battery.



Jul 02, 2013 at 06:45 PM
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p.686 #9 · p.686 #9 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Hey guys, I was going to write up something but then realized with a bag full of 50mm LTM and M mount lenses, might as well just shoot something.

While it's nothing special, hopefully it gives some idea about the various lenses and their renderings. I shot a leafy backlit scene at 1m (images below) and also 1.5m, as well as an open shade scene at 1m.

I've posted images and download links to the full-rez files on my blog: http://www.ronscheffler.com/techtalk/?p=217

Naturally this isn't near to being definitive and lacks a number of current 50mm lenses, such as the various Crons, Summarit, Nocti, Sonnar, etc. It's just what I happen to have available.

1m backlit wide open, lens info is in the watermark:











































Jul 02, 2013 at 10:45 PM
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p.686 #10 · p.686 #10 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


i like how you have them pretty much in order of increasing funkiness.

thanks for the comparo, very useful.



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p.686 #11 · p.686 #11 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Hehe, it was kind of a coincidence. I wanted to shoot the M mount lenses first because I only have one LTM adapter for all the old lenses. It's interesting how funkiness seems to increase with age of the lens.


Jul 02, 2013 at 10:58 PM
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p.686 #12 · p.686 #12 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Ron, you're having way to much fun !


Jul 02, 2013 at 11:07 PM
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p.686 #13 · p.686 #13 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Ron, great comparison. That Lux ASPH sure is boring . Very interesting example

8 shot pano with the Tele-Elmar 135








Jul 03, 2013 at 12:54 AM
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p.686 #14 · p.686 #14 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Great shots all!

Gary, nice rendering on the Canon 50/1.4 ltm set.
Ron, nice comparison of the 50s. They are all so different and hard to pick a favorite. The Canon seems to be in between the more vintage Sonnar look and the modern ASPH lenses. Actually quite like the softer look of the vintage Summarit as well. Your earlier French river sets are all excellent, makes me feel as though I'm there. I like the slight glow on the Canon 50 1.4 ltm shot but agree with others, 21Lux is superb! 28Cron at f/16? Don't think I've tried that yet!
Ryan, those CV 50/1.5 shots look excellent. A little imperfection on the out of focus rendering at times but otherwise looks really sharp and the 0.7MFD is a bonus? Pano looks interesting and cool!

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Nocti E60, all f/1.0























Jul 03, 2013 at 03:51 AM
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p.686 #15 · p.686 #15 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Ron - thanks for the comparison. I guess that's one advantage of owning so many lenses. I'm glad I only own one 50....
Ryan - neat pano and a spot I have come to recognize from your photos.
Joe - man that nocti looks real sweet. Such nice rendering...

A couple more from last weekend with the Canon 50mm f/1.4 ltm. I am liking this lens more and more each day. Very predictable output and very good performance from an older lens design.






Canon 50/1.4 ltm






Canon 50/1.4 ltm






Canon 50/1.4 ltm






Canon 50/1.4 ltm






Canon 50/1.4 ltm




Jul 03, 2013 at 04:14 AM
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p.686 #16 · p.686 #16 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


I think I'm done with range finders. Got my 85/2 back from CLA today, wobble is gone, but back focusing has increased. Not blaming Zeiss service or Leica RF calibration, it's just that range finders are not accurate as a system. The lens is already with a local technician for another 10 days

Anyhow, what in your opinion is the best current mirrorless body to use with the ZM glass? The GXR-M is not on the list because it has only 10 mp and is discontinued. How about the Fuji XE-1? Anyone has experience with this camera?



Jul 03, 2013 at 11:08 AM
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p.686 #17 · p.686 #17 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Edward,

I have been using the Fujifilm X-E1 with my Leica R lenses for sometime. I also have the Fujifilm 14mm f2.8 lens which is an excellent performer. I like the camera and the results. Some have still been complaining about the X-Trans sensor. I do my work in LR4.4 (soon to be LR5) but I work the files to yield what I want. Don't forget that the camera has an APS-C sensor and has a 1.5X multiplier with FF lenses. The camera from my understanding does not do as well with wide or uw angle rangefinder lenses. I have no RF lenses to use with the camera. Also, I have been down now for almost 6 weeks now due to my Quadruple Heart Bypass Surgery and have not used any camera since. So, I am looking forward to getting out and doing more work with the camera shortly.

Like many including yourself, we are still waiting for a FF mirrorless camera that will allow mounting of our legacy lenses without changing lens mounts and allowing for scrolling when using the EVF (unlike the new Leica M240).

Rich



Jul 03, 2013 at 11:18 AM
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p.686 #18 · p.686 #18 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Thank you very much for the input Rich, and wish you a quick recovery from your surgery!

Indeed the XE1 looks very appealing to me and I'm looking seriously into getting one, despite the crop factor.




Jul 03, 2013 at 11:32 AM
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p.686 #19 · p.686 #19 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


edwardkaraa wrote:
Thank you very much for the input Rich, and wish you a quick recovery from your surgery!

Indeed the XE1 looks very appealing to me and I'm looking seriously into getting one, despite the crop factor.



Edward,

Thank you. If you do decide to purchase a Fujifilm X-E1, then you may well decide to also purchase this grip and L bracket from Really Right Stuff:

http://reallyrightstuff.com/ProductDesc.aspx?code=BXE1-Set&type=3&eq=&desc=BXE1-Set%3a-includes-Base-%2b-LPlate-%2b-Grip&key=it

The grip improves the handling of the camera dramatically especially with larger and heavier lenses. Additionally the L bracket aids in mounting the camera in horizontal or vertical orientation on an Arca Swiss Type QR clamp quickly and surely.

Rich









Jul 03, 2013 at 12:22 PM
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p.686 #20 · p.686 #20 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Thanks all!

Joe, the Nocti looks great. Especially like the one of your son. I would love to be able to play with one of those one day, very unique rendering

Gary, I really like how you've been using the Canon, the output looks great. I really like the flower and the birdhouse.

Edward, sorry to hear about your Leica troubles. I have quit and come back a couple of times, I can speak from experience . If you like the rangefinder way of shooting (which I prefer), sorry mate, you're stuck. If you could care less about rangefinder experience then the options are either Fuji or Sony. I had the Nex 5N with Leica glass. Images turned out great, very nice to have live view, swivel screen, etc. The ergonomics are what killed it for me. The Fuji looks very nice, have never used it. I think software is finally catching up with the sensor where it will probably be the best way of using M glass outside of a Leica. You will need to worry about red edges/corners, but will really have to with any system I believe outside of the GXR. For sensor quality and ergonomics I find the Fuji XE-1 as the most intriguing right now.

Took out my Canon 50 f/1.5 Sonnar, very pleased with the results. The lens is surprisingly sharp wide open dead center only at near to mid distance. Infinity isn't really usable until about f/4.

All shots below pretty much untouched, maybe a little change in exposure

wide open













f/2 - really sharpens up here







wide open



















bonus - 35 Nokton II wide open from roughly same spot







I have a Zeiss C Sonnar on the way.....will do a little shootout with the CV, Zeiss and Canon



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