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p.685 #1 · p.685 #1 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Edward - nice sunsets! Tough to pick between the two. In the second my eye is immediately drawn to the ferris wheel. Not necessarily a bad thing, but if it's a matter of simply enjoying the sunset, then I prefer the moodiness of the first one.
Scott - looks good - and a good chance to compare against the CV in Ryan's photos. The Zeiss is definitely a bit edgier in background rendering.
Ryan - great set! The CV has very pleasing color and contrast. A very good balance. I'm not so sure there's any difference in the optical formula other than perhaps the coatings? Here's a post on LUF comparing the CV against the Lux ASPH as well as the older version. The only difference I see in his samples is better flare/contrast control in the new version vs. old. But that's a good thing because it's what I didn't really like about the older one - a sometimes slightly bland color/tonality quality. But purple fringing still happens, and may or may not be a problem for some.

Mitch - the idea of the 'ISO-less' approach when using the M9 was originally you set the ISO to 160 and when possible, make normal looking exposures. As light levels drop and you need to maintain higher shutter speeds or stop down for more depth of field, simply use what you need to make the photo and then push the DNG file accordingly in post. The technical analysis by Kasson found that you can actually do this up to ISO 640 in-camera without seeing a real difference in post. I'm not sure Doug was advocating a traditional ETTR approach, but in any case, my take on it is I try to get a pleasing looking exposure when possible, but if I can't, then I just ensure I don't clip the highlights. This goes for nighttime shooting, or full sun in the middle of the day.

Down by the water again last evening. While the sunset wasn't 'perfect' the clouds were relatively interesting...

50 Lux ASPH:











Nikkor 10.5cm f/2.5 LTM:






This time out I made an effort to shoot the Nikkor stopped down more in the f/4-5.6 range, and I somewhat retract my earlier misgivings about it for across frame sharpness compared to modern lenses. By this point it's already sharp across about 90% of the frame. Wide open it falls off quite substantially in the outer 1/3, which is where a lens like the modern 90 Summarit performs better.
I also shot a lot of the 50mm scenes with the Lux ASPH rather than the Zeiss Sonnar, and many of those were at or near wide open (the first above is wide open and the second is stopped down to f/2-2.8), primarily to blur the water in the foreground as much as possible. What you don't see at web-rez is that the landscape on the horizon is sharp across the frame, which impresses me a lot about this lens. It's simply a lens you can use wide open at all distances and get good results across the frame, without fuss, if that's what you want.



Jul 01, 2013 at 06:16 PM
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p.685 #2 · p.685 #2 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Thanks guys. muc_marlin, the left eye I agree is VERY distracting....hmm.....

Ron, really like #2, fantastic colors. Like the low profile view

Michael, the fringing is VERY minimal. Those shots above were shot either wide open or f/2, no CA adjustments made in pp. I think a great improvement of CV lately has been coating enhancements. Take the CV 35 f/1.2 II, the flare and CA control when the lens is shot at very wide apertures is a great improvement over the first version. It looks like that was also an area of great concentration with the new 50 f/1.5 Nokton. That being said, still not Lux ASPH absent and I would assume that the situations the Lux struggles in the Nokton would do far worse

Adam, I would agree with a lot of what you say, but the majority of where I have seen the Nokton exhibit 'busy' bokeh where the Lux ASPH would really show its true colors is the first shot above. Busy areas about 10-15 feet behind the subject. When the background is about 20 feet or greater back it is very smooth, see below...shot wide open. BUT, at 1/4th the price of the LUX Asph its a hell of a deal. The sharpness on the focus area is excellent

Ron, excellent link. That just shows the perfection of the Lux ASPH and how special of a lens it is. The smoothness of the Lux bokeh looks to be the main difference....I guess the question for potential buyers, how much is it worth to you? I have seen some say same optical formula and then quote Kobayashi as saying 'minor changes' to the formula. I'm not sure as I don't have the original and haven't seen a good controlled comparison yet, but the diameter of the lens is less and is in a more compact build. I would think some changes to the formula occurred, however minor. I would agree though that the majority of change is with the coating. If you look at that link you sent where it compares at f/5.6 there is a major difference in flare control with the old/new version. I am also surprised to see that the new CV looks to be contrastier than the Lux ASPH.








Jul 01, 2013 at 06:42 PM
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p.685 #3 · p.685 #3 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Very nice Ryan, CV50 1.5 is tempting for me not because of sharpness, but because it looks so cool and retro in chrome version!
Scott, nice one with the ZM50P
Ron, another excellent set, the last ray of light on the 3rd shot is beautiful!



Jul 01, 2013 at 07:11 PM
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p.685 #4 · p.685 #4 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Ryan, I agree with you about CV's latest lenses and coatings. The 21/1.8 really impressed with its image quality/control. When viewed at certain angles, it was as though there wasn't any glass in the lens; the coating reflections were so minimal.

I still have the original CV 50/1.5 - should we meet for a shootout? Joking aside, the coatings on my copy are yellow-green, green, orange and magenta-orange, as viewed from the front (with one element farther back that has a nearly white reflection). What do you see looking into your glass?

Nikkor 10.5cm f/2.5 LTM:





















Thanks Joe! I agree, the styling is very cool, especially in chrome.



Jul 01, 2013 at 07:12 PM
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p.685 #5 · p.685 #5 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Love the last on Ron!!!!!


Jul 01, 2013 at 08:06 PM
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p.685 #6 · p.685 #6 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


airfrogusmc wrote:
Love the last on Ron!!!!!


My favorite as well!



Jul 01, 2013 at 08:25 PM
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p.685 #7 · p.685 #7 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


zhangyue wrote:
VC usually has CA problem, how about this one. (I know it can be removed by LR.)


Great set of your daughter and that lens looks real good. I echo Michael's point about CA - mostly all fast CV lenses I have tried suffered greatly from this. The CV35VII f/1.2 had the same issue (but more rarely) as well. Fairly easily cleaned up in post but still troublesome. Which version of the pre-ASPH did you have? Mine is E46 and is quite sharp in the center.....


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Jul 02, 2013 at 02:02 AM
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p.685 #8 · p.685 #8 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


I did more playing around with the CV Nokton 50 f/1.5 today.....now I'm starting to change my mind on it. Sharpness is not an issue, but I am finding many areas where the bokeh is just hard to look at. It ruins images. As Adam mentioned above, extremely close up near mfd the oof rendering is quite nice. But once you step back a few feet the background gets beyond busy. See the first two shots below, the first is near mfd, the second is back a couple feet. The third shot is also near mfd, but with a background close to the focal point. I suddenly see a 50 Cron in my future













BARF!








Jul 02, 2013 at 02:05 AM
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p.685 #9 · p.685 #9 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Thanks guys!

Ryan, the only solution is the 50 Lux ASPH or 0.95 Nocti. The 50AA also looks pretty decent in the bokeh department. Unfortunately, other than Adam's trial of it, I don't think anyone here has personal experience with it.

I guess it's all subjective as I don't find the look of the CV that bad. It sits somewhere between the Lux ASPH and pre-ASPH bokeh. By the looks of it a bit closer to the pre-ASPH.



Jul 02, 2013 at 03:09 AM
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p.685 #10 · p.685 #10 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


I don't know if this will help, but this is something I shot and posted a while ago:






















Shot on the GXR, but should give some idea. The order shown above: 50 Lux ASPH, CV50 f/1.5, ZM50 Planar, CV40 f/1.4



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p.685 #11 · p.685 #11 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Ah yes - that is a good comparison Ron. From what I have seen, the bokeh on the CV50 can be quite harsh at mid distances, wide open. Having said that, it seems to be an all round very sharp lens.


Jul 02, 2013 at 03:20 AM
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p.685 #12 · p.685 #12 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


rsolti13 wrote:
I did more playing around with the CV Nokton 50 f/1.5 today.....now I'm starting to change my mind on it. Sharpness is not an issue, but I am finding many areas where the bokeh is just hard to look at. It ruins images. As Adam mentioned above, extremely close up near mfd the oof rendering is quite nice. But once you step back a few feet the background gets beyond busy. See the first two shots below, the first is near mfd, the second is back a couple feet. The third shot is also near mfd, but with a background
...Show more

i'm afraid the 50 cron (non AA) has quite funky bokeh too.

the 50 lux pre-asph might be as sharp as the CV centrally, but it has a lot more glow and is more swirly in bokeh. does anybody have experience with the summarit?



Jul 02, 2013 at 03:49 AM
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p.685 #13 · p.685 #13 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


A few from the lake....








Canon 50/1.4 ltm






Canon 50/1.4 ltm






Canon 50/1.4 ltm






Canon 50/1.4 ltm




Jul 02, 2013 at 04:23 AM
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p.685 #14 · p.685 #14 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Gary, those are great! Love the content and the Canon 50/1.4's rendering here, though I'm sure it will be a subjective thing.

sebboh wrote:
i'm afraid the 50 cron (non AA) has quite funky bokeh too.

the 50 lux pre-asph might be as sharp as the CV centrally, but it has a lot more glow and is more swirly in bokeh. does anybody have experience with the summarit?


I briefly tried the 50/2.5 Summarit at a Leica store a while ago. At that time I was for some reason more concerned about far distance performance and did a number of infinity shots, etc.. All I did for near distance were these two at about MFD, which is 80cm.

First is sooc but the last two I think have had some tweaks:

















Not sure the last one will tell you much, but it's wide open and focused at the near end of the sign at left. Unfortunately I didn't shoot anything in the 1.5-2m range.



Jul 02, 2013 at 08:15 AM
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p.685 #15 · p.685 #15 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


In the spirit of Gary's post, some from the French River back in late May I finally got around to processing:

50 Lux ASPH:






Canon 50/1.4 LTM:











21 Lux:












Jul 02, 2013 at 08:32 AM
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p.685 #16 · p.685 #16 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Gary, very good set with the second from last being my favorite.
Ron, nice set but I think the 21 Lux completely steels the show here



Jul 02, 2013 at 09:49 AM
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p.685 #17 · p.685 #17 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Gary, really like the look of the Canon. 3rd one is great

Ron, the 21 Lux looks fantastic, but I also like #3 a lot. The older Canon lenses sure are a great bargain. Your 50mm comparison above is excellent. I would assume the new CV would look about the same as what you posted, with maybe a hair less fringing.

CV 50


















Jul 02, 2013 at 12:09 PM
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p.685 #18 · p.685 #18 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Thank you very much Peter and Ron!

Ron, very beautiful dusk sets. Agree with others that the last image from 2nd set is really outstanding.
Rsolti, nice portraits of your daughter, and the last flowers shot is very 3D.
Gary, nice set. Love the dog portrait with shallow DOF.



Jul 02, 2013 at 12:18 PM
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p.685 #19 · p.685 #19 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


ron: last page post#16, very nice set, the last is my favorite! From this pape, the 21 Lux looks fantastic
Gary: the first has a great mood/look
rsolti: I really like the first one



Jul 02, 2013 at 01:08 PM
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p.685 #20 · p.685 #20 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Ron - Last sunset shot is AWESOME!

Also, if all the summarit 50 shots turned out like that, I'd probably get one.




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