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p.678 #1 · p.678 #1 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


That second picture is pretty bizarre (in a good way) Ron!

WeeSin - great to see you pictures - well done.



Jun 24, 2013 at 05:00 PM
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p.678 #2 · p.678 #2 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


A reprocess of an older image in B&W.






21SEM




Jun 24, 2013 at 09:04 PM
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p.678 #3 · p.678 #3 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Thanks Phil, Gary, Edward, Adam

Phil, yes it was sunset but the light was blocked from direct view.
Gary, another nice set at the waterfall. 21SEM B&W looks good! If you like the Sonnar look, you might want to add one of these Contax CZ lenses to your collection. I use my Contax RF lenses with an Amadeo Contax to ltm adapter which works great.
Wee Sin, excellent set and congrats on your M240.
Ron, I like the rendering on the red gate shot. Interesting OOF rendering on the 2nd 35/2 shot.

muc_marlin wrote:
joe : do you get this look, feel from the sonar without post processing?


Hehe, Peter, the Sonnar look is quite distinct, like fine German beer, you can't fake it? Actually, these older lenses are quite low in contrast but these CZ Sonnars (I have three so far) resolves quite well. I added contrast, clariy and minor tweaking in post but otherwise colors from the lens seems nice. Main concern with these older uncoated lenses is flare which as Ron mentioned, can make colors washed out.

Here is a sample dng out of camera. Quite good in my opinion for a lens > 80 years old?







Jun 24, 2013 at 09:23 PM
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p.678 #4 · p.678 #4 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Thanks guys!

Yes, Joe and I are on a Sonnar spree. Well, more so Joe. Just received my Amedeo adapter today and gave the 50/1.5 a spin. My copy is an Opton (made in West Germany) and is coated.

A few initial observations... the coatings probably make a pretty big difference because I tried scenes with some bright sky as backlight and the lens held contrast reasonably well. Better than I expected in many situations. Bokeh character is in-line with Sonnars from this era but I think it's somewhat less extreme than the Nikkor 5cm/1.4. I don't have a ZM50/1.5 for direct comparison, but based on some web shots from it, I would guess the ZM is slightly smoother with its OOF specular highlight rendering. Compared to the Nikkor, the Opton doesn't melt into absolute gooey SA glow wide open, though it still has SA glow that will add a slight halo-edge to high contrast transitions. Nor does it seem as susceptible to extreme purple fringing like the Nikkor against very bright backgrounds. Stopped down one stop, the hard ring edges soften but the lens doesn't have the dramatic pick-up in contrast the Nikkor has. The Opton seems to have a relatively small central sweet spot. Stopping down to f/11 seems to give the best across-frame performance. This isn't a lens I'd want to use for technical purposes. Interestingly, the Canon 50/1.4, which isn't a Sonnar design, is much better than the Nikkor or Sonnar for predictability and control. Stopped down around f/8 it's pretty close to modern glass for across-frame sharpness. So... for me, the 50/1.5 Summarit, 5cm/1.4 Nikkor and 50/1.5 Zeiss-Opton Sonnar are more or less bokeh effect lenses that also can work well for people/portraiture. The Canon can do this as well, or sit in the camp of more technically proficient lenses.

So, where to start?

These are pretty much unprocessed. WB adjustment and maybe slight curves for some. Zeiss-Opton 50mm f/1.5 Sonnar, all without a lens hood:















































And sorry if I hurt your eyes with the following These were given slightly more processing.



























Biggest hassle with the lens is again ~1m MFD and because it sits in a Contax RF to Leica focus helical adapter that was probably made based on the actual Contax RF focus helical, the focus direction is the wrong way.



Jun 25, 2013 at 05:27 AM
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p.678 #5 · p.678 #5 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


joe, thanks for the example! It really has a nice character which fits good to portraits and people shots.


Jun 25, 2013 at 08:19 AM
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p.678 #6 · p.678 #6 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Ron, Gary and Joe, thanks for the comments.


rscheffler wrote:
WeeSin - very nice - great color! I really like the last three. I'm struck at how clean the 28 Cron file looks. On the M9 it vignettes even when stopped down a fair amount, yet your M240 example doesn't show any. Was it specially processed?


Ron, no special vignettes process to the 28 cron photo. I did crop some from right and bottom edges. So it may be more like 35mm or so. The top and left edges are the exact original edges. I never have personal experience with 28 cron on M9 (got it after my M9 was sold). Don't notice much vignetting issue with it on M240. If there is it must be mild.


Tks.



Jun 25, 2013 at 11:55 AM
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p.678 #7 · p.678 #7 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Ron congrats on the CZ Opton 5cm 1.5! Your sample looks very sharp and seems to hold contrast much better than my uncoated version. Excellent set to showcase what this lens is capable. That flare shot is pretty cool!


Jun 25, 2013 at 01:30 PM
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p.678 #8 · p.678 #8 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Great shots, guys.
Ron, Joe, I start confusing about what lens you guys have right now. Canon, Zeiss, Nikkor... But I certainly enjoy all the photos posted. they got characters of their own.
No wonder this thread belong to Alt forum here

This one from last week.
50cron Rigid. in front of dancing class. unknown little girl, with striking eyes.








Jun 25, 2013 at 05:16 PM
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p.678 #9 · p.678 #9 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Neat shots Ron. I like the more greener ones near the top for that lens. And yes, it really does suck (the haze), it was better yesterday, but today it started getting a bit thick in the evening. Hopefully it clears up soon as my wedding is a little over two weeks away!




Jun 25, 2013 at 05:47 PM
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p.678 #10 · p.678 #10 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Adam, Yes, the lens works well in those situations and is a bit calmer looking. BTW, I saw someone posted a WTB Leica M ad in the GetDPI B&S and found a seller within a day. Not sure how much of a premium he had to pay... also might be difficult with you not being in the USA.

Michael - GAS has been at play this month, for sure! But the M mount does mean there are a lot of great lens options worth trying! Nice moment - she certainly does seem to be captivated by you, the camera, or something!

WeeSin - thanks for the additional info. It's something I also noticed with Jono Slack's early M240 & 28 Cron sample images.

Joe - the lens is pretty sharp, especially at nearer distances. But wide open sharpness is very central. Not having the benefit of live view, I'm not sure if it's simply a matter of field curvature and thus finding the actual plane of focus for off-center compositions. Where I'm having some trouble with the lens is focus shift and making appropriate mental adjustments to the rangefinder focus. It seems my lens is f/2.8 optimized and shooting wide open results in front focus. Towards infinity I can set the lens on infinity and focus will be OK between f/1.5-2.8, though the technical quality of infinity images in this aperture range aren't that great. At around f/4 and higher, I've found it's critical to RF focus the lens even if the point of focus is many hundreds of feet/meters away. Simply setting to infinity here results in slightly softer images, as though focus shift continues. Might be too that the Amedeo adapter has some leeway?

f/1.5 through f/4:























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p.678 #11 · p.678 #11 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Ron, I agree for wide open, its best used at closer distances. Sharpness is also very central and with a small sweet spot. For infinity use, best is to stop down. Two samples below, both at the infinity stop on the Amadeo adapter and cross checked using EVF. Maybe it is not reaching infinity wide open?

f/1.5 It looks OK at this resolution






f/4






center crop
f/1.5






f/4






Two more samples, focus was between the O and R of "FORD"
f/1.5






f/5.6








Jun 25, 2013 at 06:41 PM
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p.678 #12 · p.678 #12 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


zhangyue wrote:
I start confusing about what lens you guys have right now. Canon, Zeiss, Nikkor...


Michael, I haven't had as much fun with a new camera for a long since getting a M240. My RX1 gets almost no use, my Ricoh GR sits unused and if its not for how the Monochrom renders older lenses and perform at ISO10,000 it would be hard to put down my M240. Live view really opens up new avenues for all types of lenses without needing another camera (compromised APS-C or heavy DSLR). The other option is to wait for a Sony or other FF Mirrorless solution but even then, we don't know if they will have the right micro-lenses for wide RF lenses? I bought a NEX7 when launched and was really disappointed with how my M lenses were soulless on the crop sensor Also as many have experienced themselves, corners can be really poor even with 28 or 35mm lenses. So somehow I think the holy grail FF mirrorless solution many are hoping for is still a few generations away? While some are not happy with the M240 for whatever reasons (AutoWB , colors, high ISO not as good as Sony, no off center zoom for LV (I was also skeptical but found that its not as bad as I though it was), etc etc. I am enjoying my M240 today. That being said, the M9 is still a very relevant camera and if I didn't have the M240, I would still be happy shooting with a M9.

Also with no disrespect to others here, its all about risk and rewards, the earlier you pre-order a Leica M, the earlier you get one. If you ordered yesterday or wanted to wait until you see more samples online, don't expect one delivered tomorrow unless you are very lucky, have a great relationship with your dealer or pay extra for it. I mentioned in the past, I ordered my M(240) before the camera was launched and there was already a wait list. This is after all, Leica.



Jun 25, 2013 at 07:03 PM
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p.678 #13 · p.678 #13 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


joe88 wrote:
Michael, I haven't had as much fun with a new camera for a long since getting a M240. My RX1 gets almost no use, my Ricoh GR sits unused and if its not for how the Monochrom renders older lenses and perform at ISO10,000 it would be hard to put down my M240. Live view really opens up new avenues for all types of lenses without needing another camera (compromised APS-C or heavy DSLR). The other option is to wait for a Sony or other FF Mirrorless solution but even then, we don't know if they will have the right
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Joe,

Good to know. Unfortunately for me with all of my R lenses, the lack of off center zoom for LV was the deal breaker. I need this option for much of my work.

Rich





Jun 25, 2013 at 07:32 PM
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p.678 #14 · p.678 #14 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Rich, don't give up, hopefully Leica might have the crippled live view sorted in the next revision of the M240.1, although it seems not possible to do it with the current processor. I agree off center zoom can be critical for some types of shooting as in your case.


Jun 25, 2013 at 07:44 PM
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p.678 #15 · p.678 #15 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Thanks for the comments!

It's interesting to see what all these classic lenses can do. I have acquired a Canon 35/1.8 LTM myself but I haven't got around to test it yet.

Here are two from a walk this evening with some more modern lenses, 28 Summicron and 90 Elmarit.














Jun 25, 2013 at 08:13 PM
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p.678 #16 · p.678 #16 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Joakim, very nice set with the lighting on those two pics. I think the extra steps with your new sharpening script is worth the effort. And congrats on the Canon 35 1.8. You might want to add a Canon 50 1.4 ltm which would pair well with the 35, or maybe also add a Canon 50 1.5 ltm which is a Sonnar design


Jun 25, 2013 at 08:22 PM
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p.678 #17 · p.678 #17 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Wow - lot's of action here lately. Great to see!

One thing I really like about the M system is how compact it is....














Jun 25, 2013 at 10:25 PM
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p.678 #18 · p.678 #18 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Gary, sample shots please!!


Jun 25, 2013 at 10:30 PM
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p.678 #19 · p.678 #19 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


No sample shots for you - it's not a Sonnar! I actually may give it a go at my son's soccer game this week just for fun. Stay tuned....


Jun 25, 2013 at 10:36 PM
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p.678 #20 · p.678 #20 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Joe - looks OK, though if that's at the infinity stop, my feeling is the far trees are maybe still to close? Anyway, if it's working OK for you, then no need to change anything. I really like the rendering of the van images - goes very well with the age of the van.

Joakim, those look great. The first one though is what still bugs me a lot about digital - the poor handling of extremely bright highlight transitions. The M9's dynamic range is at play here as well. High contrast scenes are where the old lenses can sometimes be useful, as I've found with the 50/1.5 Summarit, and to some degree with the old Sonnars. Their lower contrast character tends not to stretch out the dynamic range like modern lenses do, though shooting into the sun isn't typically one of their strengths.
Looking forward to your results with the Canon 35/1.8!

Gary, that looks like it could desperately use a handgrip. Good luck with it shooting sports!

Another scene with the Sonnar at f/1.5, 2.0 and 2.8:


















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