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p.619 #1 · p.619 #1 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Looks great Andrew - Very, very vibrant! The last two are really interesting and a nice change of the usual CN Tower (which is how I shot it and will post later).
Michael - love that one of your son!
Allen - congrats on the show and your invite photo is a great find, wow!
Joe, very cool. You should come to Port Dover, Ontario any Friday the 13th, though it's better in the summer. The next one this year is in September: http://www.pd13.com It's only a ~8 hour drive from Boston or two hours from Buffalo NY airport.
Lovely rendering Gary.

Some more from the walk with Andrew a while back:

21 SEM:











CV12:
















Andrew shooting the floating boat with the 75 Lux:







Mar 19, 2013 at 09:15 PM
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p.619 #2 · p.619 #2 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


I am very undecided whether to keep the C-Sonnar or not. It draws nicely at f/1.5 to f/2, but the focus shift at smaller apertures is very frustrating. I have to remember always to front focus it in order to get sharp results.

Here is a long range comparison at f/8, 1/125s, iso 160, ACR default settings:


Planar by edward karaa, on Flickr


C-Sonnar by edward karaa, on Flickr



Mar 20, 2013 at 11:22 AM
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p.619 #3 · p.619 #3 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


This one is at 0.90m:


C-Sonnar 1.5 by edward karaa, on Flickr


C-Sonnar 2.0 by edward karaa, on Flickr


Planar 2.0 by edward karaa, on Flickr



Mar 20, 2013 at 11:56 AM
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p.619 #4 · p.619 #4 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Is your C-Sonnar optimized for f1.5 Edward? The sense I get from researching the lens is that a f1.5 optimized lens is great at f1.5-f2.0, but a bit of pain to use at other f-stops. My recently sold copy was optimized for ~f2.8 and was quite usable at f2.8 and up, but extra care was needed at wider apertures. Given the characteristics of the lens design, I suspect that Zeiss' decision to optimize the lens at f2.8 probably makes sense as the best choice for most users, but for many it seems counter-intuitive.

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Mar 20, 2013 at 03:00 PM
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p.619 #5 · p.619 #5 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


CVickery wrote:
Is your C-Sonnar optimized for f1.5 Edward? The sense I get from researching the lens is that a f1.5 optimized lens is great at f1.5-f2.0, but a bit of pain to use at other f-stops. My recently sold copy was optimized for ~f2.8 and was quite usable at f2.8 and up, but extra care was needed at wider apertures. Given the characteristics of the lens design, I suspect that Zeiss' decision to optimize the lens at f2.8 was probably makes sense as the best choice for most users, but for many it seems counter-intuitive.



Yes, it seems to be. As far as I understand, Zeiss started optimizing all recent batches to 1.5 because many users wanted it that way. However, I agree that 2.8 is probably the better option.



Mar 20, 2013 at 03:17 PM
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p.619 #6 · p.619 #6 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


edwardkaraa wrote:
Yes, it seems to be. As far as I understand, Zeiss started optimizing all recent batches to 1.5 because many users wanted it that way. However, I agree that 2.8 is probably the better option.


My now sold Sonnar also optimized for f2.8. theoretically, this seems a way has its merit if you want use it both WO and slow down. It requires no attention when you need photo to be absolutely sharp. WO, you can compensate at close range and DOF is cover at long range assuming we usually not need absolute sharpness.

Edward, in you case, I would suggest use it WO all the time. Or dedicate it as a low light lens or art lens., Which is pretty much I do with either Sonnar or 50lux ASPH. From your comparison, you can see Sonnar get noticeable blur background than planar even at same aperture. To me, that make more difference than slightly sharpness difference shown in Planar image.



Mar 20, 2013 at 05:26 PM
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p.619 #7 · p.619 #7 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Andrew Gough wrote:
Michael, thank you for taking the time to provide me with a detailed reply. That V1 is a very distinct lens. Your photographs have a beautiful tone! I am wondering if you have ever compared it to the V4?

Lastly, if I may ask you another question... How does the 35mm R Lux compare to the M version. I am assuming that you have compared them. Thanks Andrew


Andrew, I don’t have V4 35cron and never tried V4, but from MTF, it looks very good once stop down. By seeing image taken at f2, I don’t feel it deserve ‘king of Bokeh’ title Carstenw was point out that person name it clarify later that he was referring slow down Bokeh.

As for 35lux R and 35lux M, I think I answer you from Leica R thread I wish I can afford 35lux FLE. It should be an awesome lens, look what Joe, Allen got.

I feel Leica R lux have special character I am drawing into. For 35mm lens, be able to shoot close and place my focal point anywhere in the frame is my priority. So the 35lux R will bury with me. It also is one of sharpest 1.4 lens I ever had at “CENTER”.

I feel all leica R lux are character lens, means not as strong as some field than others. But modern M are usually extreme capable to do anything you want but lose just a liitle bit of character for particular mood/artish images. I feel if you like 50f1 and 75f1.4, you will love Leica trinity lux R for sure. I just bought the 80lux. it is on my way to me. I am look forward to try it.



Mar 20, 2013 at 05:31 PM
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p.619 #8 · p.619 #8 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Thank you for the good advice Zhangyue. Certainly the WO rendering is outstanding, and would be worth keeping the lens just for that.


Mar 20, 2013 at 05:33 PM
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p.619 #9 · p.619 #9 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


you are welcome Edward.

Here are few 50lux WO during weekend. My 50lux is off again, I need compensate manually for all of them. but results are good. Sooner or Later, it will visit leica NJ again.


























Mar 20, 2013 at 05:48 PM
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p.619 #10 · p.619 #10 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Wonderful shots, zhangyue! The first shot really has magical rendering.


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p.619 #11 · p.619 #11 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Edward, were the bear photos done on a tripod or from the same distance? It looks like the Sonnar shots were from a closer distance because the bear is larger. But I see from the infinity comparison that the Sonnar appears to be a slightly narrower angle of view.

I agree that the Sonnar's wide open rendering has a certain charm and is worth keeping. Perhaps you're starting down the slippery slope of 50mm M-mount GAS. If you like the Sonnar look, then see if you can find the Nikkor 5cm f/1.4 in LTM. It's a bit harder to find than the native Nikon S mount, but will focus in the correct Leica direction and won't need a $250 adapter. I think I've posted this Flickr link before, but it's what got me interested in trying some of the vintage 50mm lenses..

Michael: beautiful set of your kids! Sorry to hear you're having such trouble with the 50 Lux ASPH calibration. Mine seems OK lately, but it has been cold outside. I'm curious whether the focus will drift again in the summer when it's warmer. Now that someone put that theory in my head, I can't shake it.

Thanks everyone for the likes from my recent set!

Some more odds and ends from the walk with Andrew:

50/1:





















35 Cron ASPH:






28 Cron:







Mar 20, 2013 at 06:07 PM
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p.619 #12 · p.619 #12 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Ron, like all of them but last one stand out.
I found my lux problem after inspect my FL trip images. I don't know the reason yet, but I wonder is that because of floating element? Make it more valnurable than other lens, which seems quite robust.
I seems see more people have focus problem with 50lux here. Could be fast glass require more attention on focus.



Mar 20, 2013 at 06:35 PM
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p.619 #13 · p.619 #13 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


zhangyue wrote:
My now sold Sonnar also optimized for f2.8. theoretically, this seems a way has its merit if you want use it both WO and slow down. It requires no attention when you need photo to be absolutely sharp. WO, you can compensate at close range and DOF is cover at long range assuming we usually not need absolute sharpness.

Edward, in you case, I would suggest use it WO all the time. Or dedicate it as a low light lens or art lens., Which is pretty much I do with either Sonnar or 50lux ASPH. From your comparison, you can
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Pretty much the same as me. If I had wanted to use the Sonnar for all around use the f2.8 optimization would have been fine. I wanted to primarily use it wide open...quite liked the look when I nailed it, and thought I could live with the shift. I made the 'mistake' of trying out a Summilux 50 ASPH and ... well, I should have the Summilux by the end of the month



Mar 20, 2013 at 06:36 PM
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p.619 #14 · p.619 #14 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Great photos lately, I've been using the Like functionality this time instead of writing comments but I'm not sure which one I prefer.

I had to send my M9 to Solms so that they could calibrate my 28 cron and 35 lux properly but today I got a mail explaining that the position of the sensor "...is completely out of the tolerance..." so this might take a while before I have my gear properly calibrated.

Well, here is one from the archives with the 50 Summilux:








Mar 20, 2013 at 07:39 PM
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p.619 #15 · p.619 #15 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Ron, thanks for the recommendation! Definitely the Sonnar has a narrower angle than the Planar as you can see in the infinity shots. The bear shots were handheld and I even focused 5-10 cm closer with the Planar to compensate for the AOV difference but still the Sonnar shots look tighter.


Mar 20, 2013 at 07:47 PM
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p.619 #16 · p.619 #16 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Thanks for all the 'like' and nice comments.

Edward, I would also do a 1M, 3M and infinity at different aperture test for Sonnar. so you can fully understand your lens and your M9. (I do that especially having problem with 50lux) To see exact what need to be done to have accept results. I feel once slow down at long distance, you might find you are fine for more DOF. at least if you know at what aperture you are free of problem so you can use it for sharpness.

My two Leica modern lens 50lux and 90elmarit both can pass infinity even when calibrated well. and My old 50 and 35cron seems reach infinity exactly and hassle free always.

So, I feel if your complain comes from infinity shot, that is seems norm and more tolerable.

I remember those impressive 35 biogon street shots from you, most of them are WO. So this Sonnar might not be a issue to me as long as you don't always think about this FS thing. Your mind might bother you more than Lens itself I bet once you have optimized f2.8 lens, you might think about why not f1.5 as what I use to do. But TBH, it(FS) doesn't bother me much really.

Another portrait by 50cron Rigid f2.8
my cool boy








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p.619 #17 · p.619 #17 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


zhangyue wrote:
Andrew, I don’t have V4 35cron and never tried V4, but from MTF, it looks very good once stop down. By seeing image taken at f2, I don’t feel it deserve ‘king of Bokeh’ title Carstenw was point out that person name it clarify later that he was referring slow down Bokeh.



The thing that drove me nuts about my 35 V4 (made in Germany) was that it focused past infinity. I was warned by Steven Choi at Steve's Camera that older 35s have infinity issues when you get too picky on the M9, and, sure enough, I had issues when my 35/2 V4 arrived. I sent it to DAG for CLA (it had some focus ring issues,) and, when it came back, it still focused past infinity at f5.6. When I asked DAG about it, he assumed I wanted it optimized wide open, and he asked me to send it back for f5.6 calibration, but I decided I wasn't interested in a lens that had so much infinity variance, so I traded for a 35/2 ASPH, which doesn't have these infinity issues.



Mar 20, 2013 at 09:29 PM
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p.619 #18 · p.619 #18 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Hi Douglas,

I just checked my V4 at the infinity stop, and it is bang on at F/2.0 and F/5.6, so I am not sure why yours was out. Mine is a late germany version.

Andrew



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p.619 #19 · p.619 #19 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Ron, great shots, it is always nice to see someone else's point of view!

Michael, more than likely its the camera thats out... Nice Family shots! Thank you again for taking the time to reply to my questions. I have been eyeballing the 35mm R lux for a while, nut I think that it maybe better just to go all the way to the FLE.

Andrew




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p.619 #20 · p.619 #20 · Leica M/X/T/S/Q Picture Thread


Andrew Gough wrote:
Hi Douglas,

I just checked my V4 at the infinity stop, and it is bang on at F/2.0 and F/5.6, so I am not sure why yours was out. Mine is a late germany version.

Andrew


Interesting. I had a late Germany version, too. It's possible your copy may not be as sharp at f2 as it could be, which is certainly a worthwhile tradeoff, since f2 infinity shots probably aren't common. I would say it's just my copy, but well regarded Leica repairman Steve Choi predicted it even before my copy arrived. Who knows?

To be honest, this is why I take all Leica lens resolution opinions with a grain of salt, since incremental adjustments make such a big difference. Something often not talked about is how even my 50/2 and 35/2 suffer from a bit of focus shift, although nowhere near some of the faster, non-FLE lenses out there. With most of these lenses, it seems that it's about tuning things to be good enough at most apertures and distances, since film wasn't quite as picky as digital is.




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