Mmmm, no, that's the limits of the lens at f/1.2. And proximity, and my shaky hands. The sensor is MUCH more capable than that - but yes, not as capable as some of the FF or APS-H/APS-C models out there.
"Kewl" is in alternate spelling and pronunciation of "cool". It's kinda like "koo-el". Just a fun way to say cool!
Forgive me for being stupid, but how do you focus these lenses? I have a hard time focusing with my 5D + Oly lenses, not to mention focusing with a little tiny electronic viewfinder. Do you have focus confirm adapters?
I've been thinking about picking up an E-PL1 to use with my Ultron 28 f/1.9 and Nokton 40 f/1.4, but I just wasn't sure how well it all worked together.
matthewm wrote:
Forgive me for being stupid, but how do you focus these lenses? I have a hard time focusing with my 5D + Oly lenses, not to mention focusing with a little tiny electronic viewfinder. Do you have focus confirm adapters?
I've been thinking about picking up an E-PL1 to use with my Ultron 28 f/1.9 and Nokton 40 f/1.4, but I just wasn't sure how well it all worked together.
magnified liveview (5x, 7x, 10x, or 14x depending on the camera). depending the camera and how you mesh with it's interface it can be quite quick and easy. i find it be as fast and more accurate than focusing an slr with a split prism. if you get the gh1 or oly clip on finder they are bigger than most (all?) apsc optical finders as well.
LightShow wrote:
Thanks to sebboh, I'm thinking about getting a set of FL lenses, I also love the look & feel of the built like a tank vintage glass.
19 F3.5 R FL
55 F1.2 FL
85 F1.8 FL
135 F2.5 FL
If any one can post some sample images or just comment on them,
that would be great, thanks.
thanks for the wonderful compliment. i'm afraid the only one i've shot with is the 55mm, i'll try and post more from it soon though.
No, no magnified liveview in these. That's WAY too slow for birds and such! The EVF in the GH1 is great all by itself. Now that I'm used to it the only time I use magnified liveview is for super-close-ups or macro work.
And, it's not a stupid question if you don't know the answer! Those would be the smartest questions to ask!
The EVF is better than the OVF for obtaining focus - no matter what screen you're using. I've been a little timid to make that point here on this site as I'm sure it'll rub the traditionalists here the wrong way. But it's pretty much an accepted truth among those who use EVF's professionally - namely videographers and film makers. It's my opinion as well being from the same. I dunno about all m4/3 EVFs but the GH1 is 800x600 which is juuuust enough to surpass an OVF in almost every type of usage. Just wait a year or two till they're 800 horizontal lines! YeeHaaw!
Bifurcator wrote:
No, no magnified liveview in these. That's WAY too slow for birds and such! The EVF in the GH1 is great all by itself. Now that I'm used to it the only time I use magnified liveview is for super-close-ups or macro work.
sorry, i was just speaking generally not about your images. BIFs are hard to track while in magnified mode but why is magnified liveview any slower than regular liveview?
Bifurcator wrote:
The EVF is better than the OVF for obtaining focus - no matter what screen you're using. I've been a little timid to make that point here on this site as I'm sure it'll rub the traditionalists here the wrong way. But it's pretty much an accepted truth among those who use EVF's professionally - namely videographers and film makers. It's my opinion as well being from the same. I dunno about all m4/3 EVFs but the GH1 is 800x600 which is juuuust enough to surpass an OVF in almost every type of usage. Just wait a year or two till they're 800 horizontal lines! YeeHaaw! ...Show more →
sorry, i don't know anything about video - do they make optical viewfinders for video only cameras? on an unrelated noted i suspect that if you have good or at least very good vision you can resolve more than 800 horizontal lines on a decent FF optical viewfinder at least in the part of the viewfinder that falls on your fovea.
Bifurcator wrote:
No, no magnified liveview in these. That's WAY too slow for birds and such! The EVF in the GH1 is great all by itself. Now that I'm used to it the only time I use magnified liveview is for super-close-ups or macro work.
sebboh wrote:
sorry, i was just speaking generally not about your images. BIFs are hard to track while in magnified mode but why is magnified liveview any slower than regular liveview?
I'd say completely impossible, the GH1 jello's massively when magnified like that - on anything over about 35mm. If the subject isn't still-ish AND you don't have a steady hands it's just not useful (over 35mm).
To answer you're question directly about why it's slow it's just that when you see a BIF you usually have about 2 or 3 seconds to aim, frame, focus, and shoot unless you were following him before the take-off or he's doing gentle circles over-head, etc. It takes me an extra second to enter magnified view and then finding the bird within that very narrow jelloy view is extremely difficult - to the point that he'd be long gone before you got it.
I wish there was a one-touch press-off button the would let us enter and exit magnified LV quickly! That would drastically increase the number of situations where it was useful!
Bifurcator wrote:
The EVF is better than the OVF for obtaining focus - no matter what screen you're using. I've been a little timid to make that point here on this site as I'm sure it'll rub the traditionalists here the wrong way. But it's pretty much an accepted truth among those who use EVF's professionally - namely videographers and film makers. It's my opinion as well being from the same. I dunno about all m4/3 EVFs but the GH1 is 800x600 which is juuuust enough to surpass an OVF in almost every type of usage. Just wait a year or two till they're 800 horizontal lines! YeeHaaw! ...Show more →
sebboh wrote:
sorry, i don't know anything about video - do they make optical viewfinders for video only cameras? on an unrelated noted i suspect that if you have good or at least very good vision you can resolve more than 800 horizontal lines on a decent FF optical viewfinder at least in the part of the viewfinder that falls on your fovea.
Yeah, there's OVFs for video. Some directors use them but no one in tech and no operators - generally speaking. Pretty much everything is electronic these days - either in the form of EVFs or LCD monitoring. But it's not about what your vision can resolve. It's more about how it's resolved and what's displayed. With electronic you're seeing the end product pretty much. To do with the focusing issue it's a few hundred times easier for most humans to see the contrast between in and out of focus areas when it's displayed electronically. That contrast becomes more apparent and abrupt somehow. I think it's the smooth analogue of the OVF that makes it more difficult, I dunno, but that's my take and I've heard the same quite a lot over the years from others. <shrug>
Bifurcator wrote:
I wish there was a one-touch press-off button the would let us enter and exit magnified LV quickly! That would drastically increase the number of situations where it was useful!
yeah, that's why i like the NEX's interface for manual focus lenses - there is a one touch magnified LV. i think panasonic put it in the gf1 too, don't know why they left it out of the g1/gh1. the oly interface is god awful at least in the ep1/2, i heard the epl-1 was actually better in this respect.
On the GH1 it's a 2 button press: Left on the 4-way rocker button and then the center button to confirm - giving you the opportunity for cursor placement in-between if you wish. This wouldn't be so bad but it's right where my cheek bone is - making it pretty much necessary to lower the camera and lose all framing. Kinda dumb on Panasonic's part. I suppose LCD users (those who claim to be able to see them on sunny days, etc.) wouldn't have this problem though.
And just to stay on topic here's the FD 24mm F/2.8 - a VERY nice 24mm lens IMO!
Bifurcator wrote:
That sounds really nice! Me wants!
This wouldn't be so bad but it's right where my cheek bone is - making it pretty much necessary to lower the camera and lose all framing. Kinda dumb on Panasonic's part. I suppose LCD users (those who claim to be able to see them on sunny days, etc.) wouldn't have this problem though.
love that first shot.
i have plenty of shots with the NEX at wide apertures on sunny days if you want to see them. the problem with the lcd is that tracking while zoomed is impossible with long lenses - it's just not as natural a motion and you can't brace against your head. tracking is fine though (for me) under ~100mm equiv.
i have plenty of shots with the NEX at wide apertures on sunny days if you want to see them. the problem with the lcd is that tracking while zoomed is impossible with long lenses - it's just not as natural a motion and you can't brace against your head. tracking is fine though (for me) under ~100mm equiv.
Well, for me that really isn't the only problem. Sure it's true that /most/ LCDs can't cut it in the Sun. And then there's the bit about the time it takes for the human eyes to adjust. This gets longer as one gets older. For me there's about a 10 to 15 second delay from looking at a bright blue sky to being able to detect /anything/ on an LCD. Then there's us ancient folks that need reading glasses. My sight goes from being able to see no small detail at 50cm to some small detail at 1m to perfect vision at 10m to super-human vision at 100m or more. There's a name for this condition but I forget what it is - Hyper-something. It's not the same as being far-sighted but for the close ranges the affects are similar. I need two different pairs of glasses for <1.2m viewing and no glasses at all past that... So maybe trifocals? Anyway, these things in total make LCD's 100% useless to me.
If you say the NEX can be seen in the sun I'll believe you although it'd be the first time I ever heard of such a thing - that was actually capable.
Bifurcator wrote:
Yours too! That young bunny is pretty killer!
Well, for me that really isn't the only problem. Sure it's true that /most/ LCDs can't cut it in the Sun. And then there's the bit about the time it takes for the human eyes to adjust. This gets longer as one gets older. For me there's about a 10 to 15 second delay from looking at a bright blue sky to being able to detect /anything/ on an LCD. Then there's us ancient folks that need reading glasses. My sight goes from being able to see no small detail at 50cm to some small detail at 1m to perfect vision at 10m to super-human vision at 100m or more. There's a name for this condition but I forget what it is - Hyper-something. It's not the same as being far-sighted but for the close ranges the affects are similar. I need two different pairs of glasses for <1.2m viewing and no glasses at all past that... So maybe trifocals? Anyway, these things in total make LCD's 100% useless to me.
If you say the NEX can be seen in the sun I'll believe you although it'd be the first time I ever heard of such a thing - that was actually capable.
thanks, lcds really are only for only for young people. once you need reading glasses, and everybody needs reading glasses over the age of ~50, lcds are a pain in the butt. luckily my mfd is still around 10cm so i should have some time before i curse lcds.
this grasshopper shot was a manual focused at near macro distance at f/1.2 with bright sunlight shining directly on the lcd while handholding (just linked since it isn't a FL/FD/LTM lens): https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/919410/1#8881504
Thank you very much. Looks like this may be the last hurrah for the Pen. I really want the 24 to be a 36, so I've got an NEX 5 on the way. I sure hope it's tasty crow I'm eating about the lack of in-body IS.
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