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p.2 #1 · Mark IV Firmware 1.0.6 problems

Please clarify:

1. three different Mak IV bodies
2. three different 500mm f/4 lenses
3. all three bodies had f/w 1.0.6 installed
4. all three bodies had focusing issues
5. none of the bodies had focusing issues with 500mm f/4 lenses before upgrading to 1.0.6

Does that stae the problem correctly?

Thanks.

Feb 01, 2010 at 05:41 PM

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p.2 #2 · Mark IV Firmware 1.0.6 problems

jrhoffman75 wrote:
Please clarify:

1. three different Mak IV bodies
2. three different 500mm f/4 lenses
3. all three bodies had f/w 1.0.6 installed
4. all three bodies had focusing issues
5. none of the bodies had focusing issues with 500mm f/4 lenses before upgrading to 1.0.6

Does that stae the problem correctly?

Thanks.

Yes...

Feb 01, 2010 at 05:45 PM

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p.2 #3 · Mark IV Firmware 1.0.6 problems

Quick question. Did you each independently downloard the new firmware on 3 different computers and use 3 different cards for your cameras. And does the installation of new firmware have any effect on the microadjustment you all may or may not have done on that particular lens in the custom settings. Although I don't see how that would have any effect the speed of focus.
I can not imagine that there is more than coincidence going on here and you all must have done something together that affected all three cameras. Can you try one of the lenses on someone's 1D4 with the original firmware.
I updated the firmware the same day I received the camera so I have no frame of reference but am interested in what may have occured.
I guess, not such a quick question.
Eric

Feb 01, 2010 at 05:48 PM

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eyelaser wrote:
Quick question. Did you each independently downloard the new firmware on 3 different computers and use 3 different cards for your cameras. And does the installation of new firmware have any effect on the microadjustment you all may or may not have done on that particular lens in the custom settings. Although I don't see how that would have any effect the speed of focus.
I can not imagine that there is more than coincidence going on here and you all must have done something together that affected all three cameras. Can you try one of the lenses on someone's 1D4 with the original firmware.
I updated the firmware the same day I received the camera so I have no frame of reference but am interested in what may have occured.
I guess, not such a quick question.
Eric

Eric,
All upgrades were downloaded/done independently on three different computers and three different cards

Feb 01, 2010 at 05:52 PM

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p.2 #5 · Mark IV Firmware 1.0.6 problems

Would you be willing to share how you set up autofocus on your cameras? What AF CF settings? (I assume AI.) What focus points (Auto AF point selection, Center, Manual AF point selection but not center, etc.)? Using DPP what AF points did it record as having used?

I am asking this because I was confused by my results from this past weekend. Confused in that what I was seeing in the VF (center AF point) was not what DPP showed me. I assume this is due to my not being familiar with DPP. But until I have more time to sort things out I am somewhat confused by the AF CF settings. It may be that the issues you are having occur with specific configurations of the AF system. Not suggesting its not a problem. Just that we may have a workaround if the issue is specific to certain setup.

Feb 01, 2010 at 05:59 PM

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p.2 #6 · Mark IV Firmware 1.0.6 problems

I have no 1D4 but I heard from a friend that after installing the new firmware he had to redo the microadjustment of his lenses, the speed of focus however did no seem to be affected.
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Feb 01, 2010 at 06:00 PM

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p.2 #7 · Mark IV Firmware 1.0.6 problems

danrhiggins wrote:
Would you be willing to share how you set up autofocus on your cameras? What AF CF settings? (I assume AI.) What focus points (Auto AF point selection, Center, Manual AF point selection but not center, etc.)? Using DPP what AF points did it record as having used?

I am asking this because I was confused by my results from this past weekend. Confused in that what I was seeing in the VF (center AF point) was not what DPP showed me. I assume this is due to my not being familiar with DPP. But until I have more time to sort things out I am somewhat confused by the AF CF settings. It may be that the issues you are having occur with specific configurations of the AF system. Not suggesting its not a problem. Just that we may have a workaround if the issue is specific to certain setup.

Yes, definitely.... I’ll post the setting when I get home tonight

Feb 01, 2010 at 06:02 PM

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p.2 #8 · Mark IV Firmware 1.0.6 problems

Spider wrote:
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Maybe a problem with the one lens?

Will,
We had three lenses....

ok so I'm assuming you tried different lenses on the camera and had the same results?

Feb 01, 2010 at 06:07 PM

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p.2 #9 · Mark IV Firmware 1.0.6 problems

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Feb 01, 2010 at 06:10 PM

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p.2 #10 · Mark IV Firmware 1.0.6 problems

Will Patterson wrote:
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Will Patterson wrote:
Maybe a problem with the one lens?

Will,
We had three lenses....

ok so I'm assuming you tried different lenses on the camera and had the same results?

No, we didn’t swap the lenses. There was no need, we didn’t have any problems prior to the upgrade, in fact I was simply stunned by the performance of this camera....

Feb 01, 2010 at 06:19 PM

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p.2 #11 · Mark IV Firmware 1.0.6 problems

If you reset the camera to original factory specs, does that reset the firmware to 1.04 or is 1.06 now integrated into the camera's DNA?

Feb 01, 2010 at 06:20 PM

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p.2 #12 · Mark IV Firmware 1.0.6 problems

Spider wrote:
Will Patterson wrote:
Spider wrote:
Will Patterson wrote:
Maybe a problem with the one lens?

Will,
We had three lenses....

ok so I'm assuming you tried different lenses on the camera and had the same results?

No, we didn’t swap the lenses. There was no need, we didn’t have any problems prior to the upgrade, in fact I was simply stunned by the performance of this camera....

I got to use a mkIV with a 300 2.8 this weekend and it was great. But, the first thing I would have done is tried another lens if this happened.

Feb 01, 2010 at 06:21 PM

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p.2 #13 · Mark IV Firmware 1.0.6 problems

Also, is it possible but I can't imagine what a coincidence it would be that you all triggered spot autofocusing and that slowed down the focusing?

Feb 01, 2010 at 06:24 PM

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p.2 #14 · Mark IV Firmware 1.0.6 problems

I'm also having the same issue - Worked fine with the 1.0.4 firmware and went t*ts up with the 1.0.6 "upgrade".

I'm also using it with a 500 F4.

Has anyone managed to source a copy of the old firmware?

Feb 01, 2010 at 06:29 PM

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p.2 #15 · Mark IV Firmware 1.0.6 problems

Spider wrote:
fraga wrote:
Can't you get and install the former firmware again?

I just got off the phone with Canon and I was told NO. They want me to send the camera in....

Don't know why Canon told you not to reinstall the previous firmware unless something has changed drastically between the Mark III and Mark IV (so do it at your own risk).

When they were constantly updating the Mark III firmware I had a similar problem with a firmware update and so I loaded both versions on my SD card and switched back and forth in the field several times and didn't have a problem.

The firmware I updated to (and switched back and forth to) was the one where they added a couple custom functions and changed the Joystick application. When I switched back and forth there wasn't a problem of any kind. When I reinstalled the old firmware the custom function and Joystick app went away and when I reinstalled the new firmware the custom function and Joystick app came back and worked just fine. I went back and forth many times in the field to test the new firmware and never had a problem. On the Mark III the new firmware overwrites the old the old will overwrite the new.

When I go to switch firmware, depending on how many versions I keep on the SD card, there is actually a scroll bar that lists all the firmware on the card so you can pick whichever one you want to install or reinstall. I asked a tech at Canon and he thought it worked because during the testing and production stages of building the camera the software engineers probably keep many versions of the FW on one of the cameras cards so they can switch back and forth to test any new changes made to the firmware and algorithms.

It's up to you but I didn't have a problem and now keep ALL new and previous firmware updates on my computer just in case I have to go backwards. I just load the two versions onto the SD card, at the root level, using a card reader and they show up on the camera screen when you pick the Firmware Update menu function. Be sure to switch to the SD card if that is where you put the FW. I'm using a Mac but it should be the same on a PC.

Again, this was on the Mark III and worked fine every time I've done it. The Mark IV might have changed but I don't know why it would ?? Do so at your own risk though.

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Feb 01, 2010 at 06:36 PM

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p.2 #16 · Mark IV Firmware 1.0.6 problems

The problem is I haven't got a copy of the old firmware and having done a google search for 1D400104.FIR has drawn a blank!

Feb 01, 2010 at 06:45 PM

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p.2 #17 · Mark IV Firmware 1.0.6 problems

chippy_jersey wrote:
The problem is I haven't got a copy of the old firmware and having done a google search for 1D400104.FIR has drawn a blank!

I'm sure someone here has a version of the old FW on their computer. If not find someone with a Mark IV that hasn't updated and ask them to save a version to their computer and email it to you.

Feb 01, 2010 at 06:55 PM

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p.2 #18 · Mark IV Firmware 1.0.6 problems

Chris, I believe all initial cameras were shipped with 104.FIR version, so it's not available for download anywhere.

Edit:
we posted at the same time.

Feb 01, 2010 at 06:56 PM

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p.2 #19 · Mark IV Firmware 1.0.6 problems

uz2work wrote:
Next, my guess is that, throughout the country yesterday, there were people shooting NBA games, NHL games, and all kinds of sports and other action with their 1D Mark IVs and the new firmware, and I'd guess that, with the internet being what it is, there would already be a firestorm on the internet if there was a genuine problem with the firmware.

Yep - I shot three basketball games on Friday night, about 3500 photos in all. My MkIV was focusing perfectly with 1.0.6.

Feb 01, 2010 at 06:58 PM

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fraga wrote:
Chris, I believe all initial cameras were shipped with 104.FIR version, so it's not available for download anywhere.

Edit:
we posted at the same time.

Yes, that's correct

Feb 01, 2010 at 06:59 PM

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p.2 #21 · Mark IV Firmware 1.0.6 problems

So far no problem with my 1.06 on swans and ducks over the weekend, I didn't notice any real difference but I have not used the camera much before the updated firmware, I also used the 500f4 with a 1.4 mounted. Ron

Feb 01, 2010 at 07:03 PM

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p.2 #22 · Mark IV Firmware 1.0.6 problems

ChrisDar wrote:
Don't know why Canon told you not to reinstall the previous firmware unless something has changed drastically between the Mark III and Mark IV (so do it at your own risk).

Not sure either. This has always been a problem in that Canon typically does not offer the initial FW for download. Nor do they ever advocate going back to an earlier version (which is something I have done many times with the old MkII). So if you are an early adopter there is no way to preserve or re-download the initial FW.

I just received my MkIV on Friday afternoon and after I confirmed that it wasn't DOA I went ahead and installed 1.0.6 before heading out to the games. I am usually hesitant to install new FW but I had not read any bad reports and given that Canon was so quick to release the fix I assumed it was warranted.

Thankfully it worked fine for the basketball games.

Perhaps it is just a quirk with the 500/4 lens. I know hindsight is 20-20 but if I had been you guys with three cameras and three lenses I would have left ONE of the cameras loaded with the old FW so you could do evaluations on your own. Who else is likely to have access to duplicate sets of cameras and lenses. Oh well.

Feb 01, 2010 at 07:06 PM

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p.2 #23 · Mark IV Firmware 1.0.6 problems

fraga wrote:
Chris, I believe all initial cameras were shipped with 104.FIR version, so it's not available for download anywhere.

I don't think 1.0.4 was ever available for download was it?

Feb 01, 2010 at 07:08 PM

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p.2 #24 · Mark IV Firmware 1.0.6 problems

Is it possible to pull the 1.0.4 firmware out of an upgraded body?

Feb 01, 2010 at 07:08 PM

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p.2 #25 · Mark IV Firmware 1.0.6 problems

If there was one software download applied to the three cameras, there is a very slight chance that it was a problem. I'd download it again and seee if it makes a difference.

With CRC checks thatwould be done on the file as it is installed, it is almost impossible for a error to creep in, but not totally impossible.

Feb 01, 2010 at 07:16 PM


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