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p.71 #1 · p.71 #1 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


I don't have the ZE or 85II but do use a couple of FD 85/1.2 - I'm not surprised - the Canon is a good lens. Probably not what you want to hear.

Just curious - is the Zeiss suppose to be better than the Canon? I see the Zeiss with a little more contrast - nothing new - which tends to improve the look of sharpness - The Zeiss looks pretty good. JMO

Edit: What was your shutter speed? Iso?

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Jun 04, 2010 at 07:57 PM
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p.71 #2 · p.71 #2 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


I did not think Zeiss will be better than Canon but if it does have problems with close subjects it definitely limits its uses. Not all the time, but I definitely like shooting Canon wide open and subjects are usually not very far. I used to have Canon 1.8 glass and I think it was sharper than what I saw with Zeiss (not sure though).


Jun 04, 2010 at 08:07 PM
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p.71 #3 · p.71 #3 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


Sharpness notwithstanding, I like the Zeiss look better. As far as I know the 85/1.4 does not have a very good reputation, although quite a few in this thread seem to like it. I can sort of understand why - it does have a nice rendering style. Otherwise it suffers from the same problems as the 50/1.4 - softness wide open and focus shift. Lloyd Chamber's review concludes that both the 85L II and especially the Canon 85/1.8 are sharper and easier to use than the Zeiss 85/1.4 while he favors the latter for creative shooting.

Edit: Right, pictures..

Here are two a few shot from my balcony with the 100MP + 50 MP:







50 MP:





Jun 04, 2010 at 08:07 PM
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p.71 #4 · p.71 #4 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


I don't know but I especially value Canon 85mm 1.2 II because of its ability to be very sharp wide open while producing unbelievable bokeh. When I use it I don't have to think about if I am shooting at MFD or infinity. As for contrast and color rendition I think both lenses are very very similar. At least to me. If I would want to produce softness I'd get a filter to use when needed. I think it's a major drawback (again for me) regarding Zeiss 85mm.

Now I wanted to ask your advice. What wide lens would you recommend. I currently have 24-70 f/2.8 but I wanted to add a wide prime. I know 21mm Distagon is very good but is it worth getting instead of 35mm f/2? Or maybe 28mm? Is 21mm substantially larger in size than 35mm or 28mm? If you had a choice to get a wide Zeiss ZE lens, which one would you get? Thanks



Jun 04, 2010 at 10:36 PM
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p.71 #5 · p.71 #5 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


I have the 21 but not the 35, so I can't comment on comparisons. I can give you a tip though - Lloyd Chambers has very good extensive reviews of all Zeiss Z* glass. It requires a subscription but is well worth it:
http://diglloyd.com/zf/index.html



Jun 04, 2010 at 10:48 PM
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p.71 #6 · p.71 #6 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


I'm selling my 85LII because I hardly use it anymore since I have some zeiss lenses. It's sharp and has great bokeh, but it doesn't render images like the zeiss ones do.

You should just get the focal length you like best faremax. Those lenses are all great.
As for the size of the 21ZE: it's quite a bit larger than the 35ZE. The lenshood on the 35 is very small.



Jun 04, 2010 at 11:24 PM
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p.71 #7 · p.71 #7 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


Jochenb, have you ever had a chance to use Canon 24-70 2.8? How 21mm Distagon compares to Canon 24-70 in size?


Jun 04, 2010 at 11:39 PM
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p.71 #8 · p.71 #8 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


More from the ZF 50/2 Makro-Planar. The first is wide open, the send is around f2.8 or f3.2.












Jun 05, 2010 at 02:38 AM
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p.71 #9 · p.71 #9 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


The ZE 85 f:1.4 is at its weakest when both wide open and close up. That is exactly what the Canon 85 does best, so your results are not surprising. At f:2.8, your Zeiss shot is OOF as Makten writes.
Conclusion: a ZE 85 is not really a direct replacement for a EF 85L. The Canon is used mostly for close-up portraits where the shooter wants maximum background blur and creamy bokeh. The Zeiss is a world-class lens from 10' all the way to infinity, and from f:2.0 to closed down. Its strength is extremely beautiful, elegant, understated drawing style
Hope this helps



Jun 05, 2010 at 05:19 AM
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p.71 #10 · p.71 #10 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


faremax wrote:
Jochenb, have you ever had a chance to use Canon 24-70 2.8? How 21mm Distagon compares to Canon 24-70 in size?


Yes, the 24-70 is larger and a lot heavier.



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p.71 #11 · p.71 #11 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


SKumar25 wrote:
I love your night shots denoir, esp. #3.


Me too. Lovely images. Too bad the point sources of light look incredibly ugly (balls of mush versus nicely pointed stars).



Jun 05, 2010 at 08:02 AM
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p.71 #12 · p.71 #12 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


faremax wrote:
I don't know but I especially value Canon 85mm 1.2 II because of its ability to be very sharp wide open while producing unbelievable bokeh. When I use it I don't have to think about if I am shooting at MFD or infinity. As for contrast and color rendition I think both lenses are very very similar. At least to me. If I would want to produce softness I'd get a filter to use when needed. I think it's a major drawback (again for me) regarding Zeiss 85mm.

Now I wanted to ask your advice. What wide lens would you recommend.
...Show more

Both the 85L and ZE 85 are excellent lenses, and are very different. I still have the 85L because at times I still need the AF. But for portraits, and travel I find myself using the ZE 85/1.4 exclusively. I now prefer the ZE 85/1.4 in its rendering of images.

With the ZE 50/1.4 and the ZE 85/1.4, MF with the very narrow DOF, can yield although very slight OOF, which may explain different experiences with these lenses. Is it marginal calibration required of the changed focusing screen? Of course this is negated if you use live view, but this is not always possible.

If I were to select one ZE, for travel, people and street shots, it would be 35/2. The 21/2.8 is an amazing lens, but more of a specialist lens, great for landscapes and it a stop slower.




Jun 05, 2010 at 09:41 AM
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p.71 #13 · p.71 #13 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


StevenPA wrote:
Me too. Lovely images. Too bad the point sources of light look incredibly ugly (balls of mush versus nicely pointed stars).


Thanks

Lotusm50: Beautiful images. Love the bokeh.


(100 MP)







In other news, I dropped my 5DII + 100 MP today. The quick release plate on the tripod wasn't fastened properly and the camera detached when I was carrying the tripod on my shoulder. It fell on a dirt road. A fairly soft *thud* followed. The camera was covered in dust and the lens hood got some minor scratches but no damage to the lens or camera.



Jun 05, 2010 at 01:49 PM
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p.71 #14 · p.71 #14 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


Planar 50/1.4 ZF @ f/1.4 on D700, with a polarizer...








I'm just amazed how good it is even wide open in harsh light. Sure, there's lot's of coma, astigmatism and other aberrations, but it really doesn't matter for the allover look.
But, it only "works" at a distance of a couple of meters or greater.

Edit: Very slight crop, to get rid of smeared corners. Less than 1.1x crop.



Jun 05, 2010 at 05:32 PM
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p.71 #15 · p.71 #15 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


That is simply amazing! I just love early summer green in Sweden!

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Jun 05, 2010 at 06:06 PM
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p.71 #16 · p.71 #16 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


Beautiful, Makten.


Jun 05, 2010 at 06:22 PM
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p.71 #17 · p.71 #17 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


Thanks Anden and Mortyb! Some more shots from today with the 50... Does it get more 3D than this?






















Jun 05, 2010 at 08:40 PM
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p.71 #18 · p.71 #18 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


Wow! No, not really, not for me. And , if you tell me that they are all wide open, I am going to have to eat my words, an unhappy meal in the country of French cuisine...:-)


Jun 05, 2010 at 08:53 PM
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p.71 #19 · p.71 #19 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


philber wrote:
Wow! No, not really, not for me. And , if you tell me that they are all wide open, I am going to have to eat my words, an unhappy meal in the country of French cuisine...:-)


Oh no... First one is at f/6.3, second at f/8 and the last one is at f/2.8.



Jun 05, 2010 at 09:59 PM
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p.71 #20 · p.71 #20 · ZE/ZF/ZM Images (Official Thread!)


Amazing shot Makten of the early Summer in Sweden. Has the dreamy and painted feel to it!
Great shots denoir!



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