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If you are really interested in the 7D, PLEASE read this whole post. A few people have added some very good comments. Skip the rest.
My BIF photos are on the third page.
Just some thought here for those who can't decide between the 7D, MKIII or MKIV.
When my MKIII focuses correctly it can't be beat. I love the color, the dreamy sharpness and every option it has. But it has always had problems with consistent focus in BIFs. Especially targets fairly far. That issue doesn't plague everyone, but mostly sports and wildlife shooters. It's a known issue. So of course I was interested in the 7D, its excellent focus, 18mpxl photos, and making all my lenses longer.

I tried a friends 7D and was impressed enough to buy one, knowing I'm not going to pay a chunk of $5000 for a camera now until it's fully tested and proven.

Back to the 7D:
Is the ISO that much better on the MKIII?
Yes. What I can shoot at ISO 1000 on the MKIII is about the same as ISO400 on the 7D. I find I use Neat Image much more often with the 7D, yes, even at 400.
Neat Image does a fine job though. Without it, I'd have to say I was disappointed in the 7D ISO....but I am spoiled in that respect by the MKIII, so hard to judge.

Does the 7D really focus better than the MKIII?
More consistantly, yes. I forgot what it was like to come home without my fingers crossed. The photos don't beat out the MKIII in sharpness though, when compared to a proper focused MKIII photo. They are larger files so at first you think it is soft. But it's quite capable of sharpness. These photos are jpgs. not raw files.
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this one a tad overexposed, but you can see the detail really well. I slightly sharpened this, used neat image because it was already sharp. :f5.6 ISO400 1/800, +2/3. taken with my 500mm lens hand held.
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I would have been disappointed if Neat Image didn't do such a good job on these Waxwings, f4, 1/1600, ISO400 [again, spoiled by the MKIII, but pleased with the 7D results, color a tad less vivid, easily fixed]
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Does the 7D smaller focus point setting help?
Yes it does on smaller targets. I remember the first day I had my MKIII I couldn't even get it to auto focus on a spider in a web. I learned to use manual focus more often.[my 20D always did fine, so there was an issue]. But canon has fixed that by giving us a small focal area for threading leaves, trees, etc. It works well and the focus snaps in fairly fast on quick flight shots. I really noticed that difference. It still can jump focus on color changes though. The only problem being that a fast target can get by you fairly fast with such a small focus point area. [I will have to train myself to shift to larger focus area when guessing what I will be dealing with for most shots.]

Does the 18mpxl crop factor help much for birding?
Yes, it does. I can crop BIFs and get a larger, or higher density pixel print. It does leave you more room to make cropping decisions. You can crop away and still get a decent print. And In essence it does make your lens longer because of that, and also the 1.6 sensor gives me a little more length on my lenses.

What I have decided to do is use the 7D mostly with my 300f4 for more length, and my MKIII on my 500mm for now. When I need more distance and in situations where focus is the big issue for a lifer BIFshot, I may switch to the 7D. In low light and landscape I will use the MKIII. A great set up!
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Am I sorry I did not wait for the MKIV and sell my MKIII?
Occasionally, but the votes still out on that. Big difference in price, and the 7D, so far has been outstanding, although I might have a slight back focus, so luckliy I live near Canon, and am not worried about it at all.

BTW, I love the onboard flash. Its nice to have a flash handy, and indoors I had a quick family birthday party to try it out. Its fairly powerful. I missed that on my MKIII. If you aren't sure, try to rent one for a few days, most stores will give you half the rental cost back if you purchse one after.
f8, ISO 320, 1/250sec, auto white balance...all night long...
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Dec 13, 2009 at 04:29 AM
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p.1 #2 · Comparing my 7D to MKIII+BIFpics


I think a lot of folks who bought the 7D are buying it for the high ISO of it. Can you compare the 7D's 3200 vs the 1dmk3's 3200?

I'm pleased so far with my 7D,but I'm also wondering, should I have bought a used Mk3?

Dec 13, 2009 at 04:37 AM
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Hard to say Robert. I think the 7D has some improvements over the MKIII. And I doubt I'd buy a used MKIII. Mine has over 200,000 shutter releases already! Stick with the new one and save for the MKIV. I'm waiting for awhile. The 7d will always make a fantastic back up camera if you decide on a future camera.

On the other hand, if the MKIII had the focus system my 7D has, I doubt very much if I would have bought the 7D yet.

I'll try to get to some ISO comparison shots tomorrow if I have time, and some crops.

Dec 13, 2009 at 04:44 AM
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p.1 #4 · Comparing my 7D to MKIII+BIFpics


you guys are making it harder for me...
I am on the fence between a 7D,1dmk2n or a good 1dmk3

Dec 13, 2009 at 05:26 AM
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They are all excellent, so it is hard to decide. I guess it boils down to what type of shooting you do, whether your priorities match the camera.

Dec 13, 2009 at 05:32 AM
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I was with you until you praised the onboard flash. That's just a terrible image, and really no better than if it had been captured with e $150 P&S.

Dec 13, 2009 at 05:45 AM
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Netgarden wrote:
Just some thought here for those who can't decide between the 7D, MKIII or MKIV.
When my MKIII focuses correctly it can't be beat. I love the color, the dreamy sharpness and every option it has. But it has always had problems with consistent focus in BIFs. Especially targets fairly far. That issue doesn't plague everyone, but mostly sports and wildlife shooters. It's a known issue.




Are you saying "its a known issue" with fixed 1d3's?
I shoot BIF and other wildlife and don't have issues focussing. Mine is a later manufactured model (jan 09) but I thought even the early bodies which have had the full hardware fix were all good now - no?


Dec 13, 2009 at 11:53 AM
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Nice shots netgarden, but I'm amazed you need NR at ISO 400 with daylight shots. I've been very impressed by my 7D's noise and ISO 800 was very nice. I shot ISo 400 all day at a zoo and didn't need NR on the shots unless I had underexoposed a fair bit and tteir were plenty of shadows areas.

Dec 13, 2009 at 12:05 PM
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I agree IQ wise the 1DIII is significantly superior even allowing for file size in every respect other than detail. OTOH I'd say my 1DIII has at least equal success in tracking compared with the 7D so far and significantly faster acquisition. The advantage for me of the 7D is solely for extra reach when FL limited and when it's possible to keep ISO at 800 or below (and then with judicious use of NR).

Dec 13, 2009 at 02:37 PM
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dcains wrote:
I was with you until you praised the onboard flash. That's just a terrible image, and really no better than if it had been captured with e $150 P&S.


Rather than using those choice words to describe only what you might have not liked, I think it would be more important to say that:

(1) Those are good bird images
(2) The 7D-MkIII comparison feedback is interesting.
(3) The effort of preparing that feedback is appreciated.

Dec 13, 2009 at 03:22 PM
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based on what I've seen (without the neat image/flex NR treatment for the 1D mkiii) The 7D and 1D Mkiii have very similar output.

Dec 13, 2009 at 03:25 PM
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droopy1592 wrote:
based on what I've seen (without the neat image/flex NR treatment for the 1D mkiii) The 7D and 1D Mkiii have very similar output.


You kidding me? I couldnt disagree more. They are two completely different animals, IMO

Dec 13, 2009 at 03:27 PM
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Netgarden wrote:
Hard to say Robert. I think the 7D has some improvements over the MKIII. And I doubt I'd buy a used MKIII. Mine has over 200,000 shutter releases already! Stick with the new one and save for the MKIV. I'm waiting for awhile. The 7d will always make a fantastic back up camera if you decide on a future camera.

On the other hand, if the MKIII had the focus system my 7D has, I doubt very much if I would have bought the 7D yet.

I'll try to get to some ISO comparison shots tomorrow if I have time, and some crops.



Thanks for the review, I too am interested in the high ISO stuff

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Netgarden wrote: I had my MKIII I couldn't even get it to auto focus on a spider in a web. I learned to use manual focus more often.


I could admit it is not easy to AF with mk III when object is small like small bird or something and lots of branches around, most likely AF will be jumping form central point to the nearby supporting one and focus on branch instead of bird. As result shot become out of focus. But I managed to compose shots better and if central point is on object - shots always become very sharp. BIF and AI Servo normally not a problem on my mk III, I am getting constantly great results with it. I am waiting for mk IV, no point of getting 7D after mk III

Dec 13, 2009 at 03:53 PM
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When you said the hi-iso of the 7d was better than the mkIII, I had to stop reading.
You either have a faulty iso reading on your mkIII, or a broken mkIII.

Dec 13, 2009 at 04:28 PM
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stiksandstones wrote:
When you said the hi-iso of the 7d was better than the mkIII, I had to stop reading.
You either have a faulty iso reading on your mkIII, or a broken mkIII.


I don't believe that she meant that. Although Linda said "yes" to the question whether the noise on the 7D would be better than that on the 1D Mark III but she went ahead by indicating that the ISO 400 on the 7D is similar to ISO 1000 on her 1D Mark III. I also agree that the 7D is approximately 1-stop "noisier" than the 1D Mark III based on recollection and existing images as I already sold my 1D Mark III. At least, that is the case by just viewing images at 100% without any uprezing/down-rezing images for more "true" comparison.

Dec 13, 2009 at 04:38 PM
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IMO, the 7D gets better the higher the ISO. But I still think the 1DMKIII has it beat in that department slightly. But they are pretty darn close.

IQ-wise, the MKIII, to me, pushed out great files and in that sense the 7D is a notch below. I don't think the difference is dramatic at all though.

The AF on the MKIII is more robust but I think Canon did a heck of a job on the 7D. I liked the spot AF feature too. Let's you really target in on a small area. The MKIV will have that feature as well.

All in all, I enjoyed the 2 months with the 7D. It's really a great 1.6x Crop camera...probably one of the best.

I am now eagerly awaiting for the MKIV.

Dec 13, 2009 at 05:02 PM
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My MKIII is my go to camera for sports and BIF. If your MKIII is not the best focuser above all other canon bodies then it needs to be serviced. I have used the 7D for BIF and I would rather pay a few hundred more for an used MKIII. Just buy from somewhere with a return policy. Not saying the 7D is not a great camera, it's just not in the league of the MKIII. With depressed prices on used MKIIIs it makes them a better buy for sports and BIF shooters.

Dec 13, 2009 at 07:34 PM
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Thanks for this insight, Linda. I completely agree that the 7D is quite noisy, at least compared to my 5D II .... by at least 2 stops. I rarely use NR on my 5D II images but I find that I am using NR a lot on my 7D files .... but this is also partly because I am using the higher ISOs and cropping my images more when I use the 7D. Even at ISO 200 I am having to use NR when I crop my images. Am I happy with the 7D? Yes and No. No, I am not at all happy with the noise level, but I love the AF and 18mp resolution and, of course, the reach from the 1.6x crop factor. The Mark IV will certainly give you cleaner images plus a more accurate and reliable AF system .... but $6,000 vs $1,700.

Dec 13, 2009 at 07:55 PM
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AGeoJO wrote:
stiksandstones wrote:
When you said the hi-iso of the 7d was better than the mkIII, I had to stop reading.
You either have a faulty iso reading on your mkIII, or a broken mkIII.


I don't believe that she meant that. Although Linda said "yes" to the question whether the noise on the 7D would be better than that on the 1D Mark III but she went ahead by indicating that the ISO 400 on the 7D is similar to ISO 1000 on her 1D Mark III. I also agree that the 7D is approximately 1-stop "noisier" than the 1D Mark III based on recollection and existing images as I already sold my 1D Mark III. At least, that is the case by just viewing images at 100% without any uprezing/down-rezing images for more "true" comparison.


That's esentially saying the 1Dmkiii is equivalent to the 5Dii sensor AFA total image noise is concerned.


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bobbytan wrote:
The Mark IV will certainly give you cleaner images plus a more accurate and reliable AF system .... but $6,000 vs $1,700.



$6,000

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/656378-REG/Canon_3822B002_EOS_1D_Mark_IV.html


Dec 13, 2009 at 09:32 PM
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Breitling65 wrote:
bobbytan wrote:
The Mark IV will certainly give you cleaner images plus a more accurate and reliable AF system .... but $6,000 vs $1,700.



$6,000

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/656378-REG/Canon_3822B002_EOS_1D_Mark_IV.html


Bobby must have gotten a sweet deal from Jessops.
http://www.jessops.com/online.store/products/76868/Show.html?cm_re=201009-_-Home-_-promo_neweos1d

Dec 13, 2009 at 09:41 PM
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My apologies! $5,000 is still a lot of money compared to $1,700.

Breitling65 wrote:
bobbytan wrote:
The Mark IV will certainly give you cleaner images plus a more accurate and reliable AF system .... but $6,000 vs $1,700.



$6,000

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/656378-REG/Canon_3822B002_EOS_1D_Mark_IV.html



Dec 13, 2009 at 09:47 PM
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PetKal wrote:
Breitling65 wrote:
bobbytan wrote:
The Mark IV will certainly give you cleaner images plus a more accurate and reliable AF system .... but $6,000 vs $1,700.



$6,000

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/656378-REG/Canon_3822B002_EOS_1D_Mark_IV.html


Bobby must have gotten a sweet deal from Jessops.
http://www.jessops.com/online.store/products/76868/Show.html?cm_re=201009-_-Home-_-promo_neweos1d




Still can't figure why $5K and why more than mk III? Video? Btw your new picture/avatar looks cool. Is it you? It reminds me some french movie star from 60x ...



Dec 13, 2009 at 09:52 PM
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Breitling65 wrote:
Btw your new picture/face looks cool. Is it you?



No, just someone who made me laugh a lot when I was a kid.

Dec 13, 2009 at 09:56 PM




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