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p.1 #1 · Gear reshuffling and 50D/1DIII "reach"


Well, I am still tossing ideas around; moving overseas in the spring and gear isn't as cheap or available there so would like to "finalize" (hah, we all know how that works out) my setup before then.

Right now I have 1Ds II, 50D and the following glass: 400/5.6L, 300/4L, 24-105L, 85/1.8, Sigmalux 50/1.4, Sigma 15-30, and a pile of alt glass (M42 and Zuiko). The 50D serves as wildlife shooter (birding) and the 1Ds II is a general purpose / travel rig.

1Ds2 likes and dislikes: Killer image quality, shoots at 800/1600 all day with beautiful output, excellent viewfinder. Small/cruddy LCD, annoying controls sometimes (try changing ISO with a long tele handheld), no self cleaning sensor (really, it does make a big difference, the 1Ds2 and original 5D like to collect dust).

50D likes and dislikes: Lots of pixels on a bird, excellent AF performance, nice and light, fantastic LCD, responsive and quick to use. But files are nowhere near as "clean" as the 1Ds2 and never have the same pop to them.

For a while I debated an a900/a850 for full frame, but the more I think about it the more I want to stay with a single system, and Canon is what I know and like.

So the Great Gear Reshuffle of 2009/2010 can take a variety of forms.


1) I could trade the 1Ds2 for a 1DIII. At that point, is there any reason to keep the 50D? It does throw more pixels on a subject when using the same focal length, but from what I see of the 1D III the per-pixel quality is a fair bit higher, so in the resulting print would there really be much of a difference? I'd lose the higher res of the 1Ds2 but I rarely print above 11x14 and I know the 1DIII will produce an excellent 16x20 if I want to do landscapes/portraits. But what then would I use for a backup camera


2) I could trade the 1Ds2 for a 5DII. I'd lose having a weather sealed rig (not that important most of the time), I'd gain some res, video, better LCD, self cleaning sensor, and it'd be a sweet combo with the 50D.


3) ?


Since I like the 1 so much the 1DIII is very tempting. But it would be a compromise camera that would effectively land somewhere between the 1Ds2 (landscapes, travel, general purpose) and 50D (long reach, wildlife stuff). So would it really replace both, or would I end up with one that was a slightly worse replacement in both cases? I know that the 1DIII will kick the 50D's butt all over the map from a pure AF/fps standpoint, but if we're talking about shooting distant targets with a 400/5.6 then will it really be better or even as good when we look at the final print?

Of course, I could maintain status quo too; the 1Ds2 only has around 5k shots on the new shutter (original started "bouncing" at 24k shots and Canon replaced it free of charge), and just got back from some minor maintenance (replaced rear LCD cover that was a little scratched up) and a health checkup so should be good to go for years to come. But the allure of a newer, more responsive rig with a little friendlier controls is there...

Thoughts? (I know I've posted about this before and still can't make my damn mind up... but now I have the 1Ds2 in excellent shape ready to sell/trade if needed so it's tempting me again.)

Shooting mostly wildlife stuff, and the rest is a smattering of portraits, street, landscapes, macro and whatever else I run across.

(PS: I have a 1.4x converter so the 400/5.6 could be a 500/8 with center point AF only on a 1 series, and I don't really shoot much wide wide wide so the Sigma 15-30 should suffice even on a 1.3 crop.)

Nov 22, 2009 at 04:09 PM
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PS: this is the kind of shot I just never get out of the 50D or any other crop camera I've used -- hard to put my finger on it but it just looks "better".



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Nov 22, 2009 at 04:18 PM
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p.1 #3 · Gear reshuffling and 50D/1DIII "reach"


Your 50D(owned one before upgrading to 1DMkII N) is not even close to the 1DMkIII. I have a 1DMkII N and it blows the 50D away...The 1DMkIII is better(plus Microadjust and live view) then the 1DMkII N. You are right, you also get the 400mm f/5.6L to AF at f/8 giving you more reach and at better AF then the 50D. f/8 400mm f/5.6L +1.4x TC

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Nov 22, 2009 at 04:25 PM
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pingflood wrote:
PS: this is the kind of shot I just never get out of the 50D or any other crop camera I've used -- hard to put my finger on it but it just looks "better".



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They have a almost 3D effect.. the image stands out better......

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Nice shot as always, Rich. The problem I've had when using the 400 with 1.4x is that sometimes center point only is limiting, and I lose 1-2 stops of light (I like to stop it down just a little when using the TC). But your experience is that regardless it gives you better final results? How big do you print?


Nov 22, 2009 at 04:29 PM
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The hummers are small as a little finger . It depends on the subject size. I would think 16x20 depending on ISO.. That is why I am upgrading to a 1DMkIII with it's 10mbs and better pixel quality. I sold my 50D to get better AF and was thinking of a 1DsMkII, but with the price coming down fast on the 1DMkIII I have gone in that direction as BIF and Wildlife are my needs more then having to enlarge the 1DsMkII to get the same results as the 1DMkIII and not have the 10fps and newer tech...I liked the microadjust on the 50D , but the AF on the 1DMkII N gives me as good without MA , with it on the 1DMkIII I think it would be Killer....Rich

Nov 22, 2009 at 04:39 PM
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How about a 5D2 and a 7D? the 7D will throw even more pixels on your subject and the 5D2 will give you the rest. as for the weathers sealed body yes its nice but buy a rain jacket.

Nov 22, 2009 at 05:01 PM
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That would be nice, but I'd have to spend $1k to get there. (And since I am happy with the 50D's AF performance I wouldn't see much gain; the 7D files don't look that much improved over the 50D compared to a 1-series...)

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Nov 22, 2009 at 05:03 PM
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Ian.Dobinson wrote:
How about a 5D2 and a 7D? the 7D will throw even more pixels on your subject and the 5D2 will give you the rest. as for the weathers sealed body yes its nice but buy a rain jacket.


I was going to say the same thing earlier except the OP is looking to use his 400/5.6 with a 1.4x and AF, something neither the 5DII or 7D can do.

Nov 22, 2009 at 05:04 PM
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M Vers wrote:
Ian.Dobinson wrote:
How about a 5D2 and a 7D? the 7D will throw even more pixels on your subject and the 5D2 will give you the rest. as for the weathers sealed body yes its nice but buy a rain jacket.


I was going to say the same thing earlier except the OP is looking to use his 400/5.6 with a 1.4x and AF, something neither the 5DII or 7D can do.


Well, if I keep the 50D (and get a 5DII) then I'll just use it "naked" on the 50D; I just don't see that the 7D is worth almost $1k more to me since I don't really have any complaints about the 50D other than the IQ not being as good as the 1 cameras.

Nov 22, 2009 at 05:06 PM
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5D and 1DMkIII unless you need video....Rich

Nov 22, 2009 at 05:19 PM
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p.1 #12 · Gear reshuffling and 50D/1DIII "reach"


5D is a thought, but I've played with the original and don't really like it that much... (I know I'm practically cursing in church here, but it's the truth!)

The 5DII I've played with and while it's not a 1-body the IQ is pretty amazing and HD video could be cool.

Nov 22, 2009 at 05:26 PM
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I suppose that one option if I get a 1DIII and it turns out to do everything I want well, would be to get a T1i as an emergency backup body if I am doing something paid, and then I'd be able to do a little video as well should the mood strike. (And have a lightweight body if I want/need it at some point.)

The agony of choice. Some days I wish there wasn't so much equipment out there.

Nov 22, 2009 at 08:25 PM
 



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p.1 #14 · Gear reshuffling and 50D/1DIII "reach"


If it where my choice and had budgetary limits i'd go 7D,1DsMK2.
1 series cameras are addictive and ive been pleasantly surprised by my 7D and its Af and also pic quality.
It kills my old 50D which i used as a back up to the Mk3 and DsMK3 on numerous levels.
To me going from a 1DsMK2 to a 5D or 5Dmk2 is a major step back in capability and id only be going 5Dmk2 if i was chasing hi ISO capability.

Nov 23, 2009 at 08:02 AM
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dehowie wrote:
If it where my choice and had budgetary limits i'd go 7D,1DsMK2.
1 series cameras are addictive and ive been pleasantly surprised by my 7D and its Af and also pic quality.
It kills my old 50D which i used as a back up to the Mk3 and DsMK3 on numerous levels.
To me going from a 1DsMK2 to a 5D or 5Dmk2 is a major step back in capability and id only be going 5Dmk2 if i was chasing hi ISO capability.


I may have to look closer at the 7D, but from what I've seen so far it's not a big step ahead of the 50D for _my needs_ -- that being using center point focus, shooting birds in decent light with the 400/5.6 or so-so with the 300/4 IS. So it'd be a near $1k extra cost but I don't think I'd see much if any difference in the results the way I shoot.

Mainly I am hoping to get a little more "upgraded" user interface, LCD etc than the 1Ds2 offers. The IQ is fantastic, but it is a little clunky to use compared to more recent rigs.

Having slept on it some more I am leaning towards the 1DIII "single camera solution". 10 meg should be enough for 16x20 landscapes (never print larger), and with the 1.4x on the 400/5.6 it might give enough reach to get similar results to what I get with the 50D. At that point I could either keep the 50D as a backup, or get something cheaper to use "just in case" like a 20D....

Nov 23, 2009 at 04:37 PM
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Rich Swanner wrote:They have a almost 3D effect.. the image stands out better......
Isn't that more a quality of the lens?


Nov 23, 2009 at 05:06 PM
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No, same lens different camera you would see. There is a reason Pro Photographers paid $6,000 for a 1DsMkII. My 1DMkII N shoots better pics then my 50D did....

Nov 23, 2009 at 07:04 PM
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p.1 #18 · Gear reshuffling and 50D/1DIII "reach"


This is from a 30D. I don't think it's too shabby.


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Nov 23, 2009 at 07:14 PM
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Yes, your right that is why the 30D is the top model used by Professional Photographers today.....

Nov 23, 2009 at 07:19 PM
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.. Ok ..

I've read some people say that high-end models show an almost 3-D effect and I only see that when the lens used is a bright lens, which can make the subject pop, irrespective of the camera used. Pros, of course, use pro cameras for good reason - faster AF, bigger sensor, lower noise levels, faster write/read, more features, etc. But, this oft-mentioned 3-D effect .. I'm just curious as to why many people think the camera is the reason for that so-called "3-d effect". Is it the larger sensor and the associated differences in DOF? I'm just curious .. not trying to malign any pro or pro camera - just curious.

Nov 23, 2009 at 07:25 PM
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You know, I don't know how much of it is in our heads, but I do know this: When I browse through my LR catalog the shots from the 1Ds2 just stand out compared to those from 50d/40d/20d/10d -- there's a certain quality to them, much like how my medium format film prints had a different "feel" than the 35mm ones.

Whether it's sensor design, sensor size, processing.. I have no idea.

Now let's get back on topic and tell me if I should get a 1D3 or not and if it would be good enough to replace the 1Ds2 for "general purpose" and the 50D for wildlife shooting.

Nov 23, 2009 at 07:32 PM
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pingflood wrote:You know, I don't know how much of it is in our heads, but I do know this: When I browse through my LR catalog the shots from the 1Ds2 just stand out compared to those from 50d/40d/20d/10d -- there's a certain quality to them, much like how my medium format film prints had a different "feel" than the 35mm ones.

hmmm ... Well, cool ... there must be something to it then, since you've used both types of cameras. Sorry for the distraction.


Nov 23, 2009 at 07:35 PM
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1DMkIII..............That is what I am going to do...............

Nov 23, 2009 at 07:35 PM
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saaketham wrote:
.. Ok ..

I've read some people say that high-end models show an almost 3-D effect and I only see that when the lens used is a bright lens, which can make the subject pop, irrespective of the camera used. Pros, of course, use pro cameras for good reason - faster AF, bigger sensor, lower noise levels, faster write/read, more features, etc. But, this oft-mentioned 3-D effect .. I'm just curious as to why many people think the camera is the reason for that so-called "3-d effect". Is it the larger sensor and the associated differences in DOF? I'm just curious .. not trying to malign any pro or pro camera - just curious.


Larger senseor allows for less DOF (more subject isolation).

But I completely agree with you; much of it is in people's heads. 1.6X crop cams are quite capable.


Nov 23, 2009 at 07:45 PM
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3-D effect.............key word effect

Subject is well lit off a darker background, subject 'appears' brought forward in the scene, better separation from the BG thus displaying the 3-D effect It works in processing with most any camera body IMO. However there is a certain quality to the DOF that changes with a smaller crop or FF camera, this is more like the spaciousness 'felt' in the files IMO

Discernible differences IMO of bodies will be in noise or features related to needs, I haven't seen an un-sharp body C'mon, lets give credit to the talent of the user, I have seen many MKIII images that are very poor, I know it's not the camera and I have seen many 20D users display images superior to the pro-bodies, hence it's not always the body!

Rich, you sure you don't really want the new MKIV

Take care, just my .02..................

Karl

Nov 23, 2009 at 07:47 PM




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