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p.2 #1 · How much do you shoot a game?

Joe300 wrote:
Hello All, Not getting a lot of sale trying to figure out why.??

Just getting into the T&I / Actions Sport work.... While I get the paid T&I stuff I also go out and do action photos of the sport for the season at no charge. Hoping to sell some action shots.
This past Sunday football I had two games Championship games..shoot a lot about 700 images total... but not hearing much from the parents... and most say they dont have time to look at all my photos on my site...
so do you think I am over posting to many photo's ? general shots and some keepers?

I post a web gallery with highlights... pick 20-30 from each game. Make it easy to browse.

Catch their interest and provide a simple link to the ordering page where they can find those highlighted pictures, plus the rest (weed out the weaker shots).

Parents tell me every week that their kids love to check my website the day after their game to see if they made my "Highlights from the Game" gallery.

Nov 17, 2009 at 09:52 PM

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p.2 #2 · How much do you shoot a game?

My Saturday morning first time venture. 280 pixs in a 1 hour biddy basketball game seeking an acceptable action image for a wall cling. D3 at 9fps but limiting total burst length to 3. Most often only the second or third image in the burst is the best mechanical. These little guys are allowed to dribble - pickup the dribble and dribble again. Very different.

Normal for ALL HS games - I try and stay below 400.

I upload close to 100 most times and have made my website so you can go from picture to picture in about two seconds. AND I never tell how many pixs are in the collection and I never show a contact sheet that allows pick and choose viewing. Visitors seem, via google analysis, to look at most of the pixs using this technique. Go to my website and then to the pix index page and pick a game to see first hand how it "works". Show the image fast and they will look at a lot of them in a short time. Average stay is about 8 minutes.

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Nov 17, 2009 at 11:25 PM

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p.2 #3 · How much do you shoot a game?

I've been shooting (D2) aroound 450-550 for football and that includes sideline shots. Last weekend I shoot close to 600 with no band or cheerleaders since it was an NCAA playoff game.

I'm limited to what action I can shoot since I only have a 70-200 2.8. Baskekball starts tomorrow and I expect to see 400-425 shots per game.

Nov 17, 2009 at 11:39 PM

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p.2 #4 · How much do you shoot a game?

This is an interesting tread... It seems the average shots from the members here is about 400-500 per game. I'm just wondering what your ave. time frame is once you dump the images to your computer, weed out the non-keepers, post process, size, crop, and adjust the keepers and upload them for sale. I think this would be even more interesting.

Nov 18, 2009 at 12:00 AM

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p.2 #5 · How much do you shoot a game?

It just depends on what you are shooting for...

The last NCAA Football game I shot, I had a commercial assignment as well as shooting game action. I shot upwards of 1600 images. I submitted about 150 stock images and sent about 125 images for the assignment. I had more usable shots but they were just getting redundant.

The NCAA Football game before that I think I shot about 900 images and sent in 165. However, when I am shooting for an editorial assignment when I am only looking for a couple of dozen shots and a few "plays of the game" I shoot 300 or 400.

For NCAA basketball, with strobes I shoot between 60 and 80 shots a game and submit around 40. Without Strobes, I shoot around 300 shots a game and submit around 50 or 60.

One high school football game, I shot about 2000 images, kept about 500 images, and made over $2000 in photo salesfrom that game...so it all depends on your focus.

It takes me about an hour to look thrrough about 1000-1500 images. Then it takes me another hour or so to crop all the ones I keep. (more if I keep more than a couple of hundred). about 30-40 mins to caption.

But, I have a mac pro (quad core processor with 5 GB of RAM) and open about 30-50 images at a time to crop. if I have to de-noise images I run a batch first, while I run to the store for a soda.

Nov 18, 2009 at 01:05 AM

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p.2 #6 · How much do you shoot a game?

Yes, it was a smart ass comment. Why? Because this is a completely ridiculous thread. We are talking about people from about 20 different shooting backgrounds all saying how many they shoot and why. How does this honestly help you?

Shoot how ever many frames you need to in order to accomplish whatever you are there for. Not that difficult to comprehend.

At the end of the day the only thing that counts is quality not quantity.

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Nov 18, 2009 at 01:55 AM

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p.2 #7 · How much do you shoot a game?

Jonathan Knight wrote:
Shoot how ever many frames you need to in order to accomplish whatever you are there for. Not that difficult to comprehend.

yes

Nov 18, 2009 at 02:03 AM

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p.2 #8 · How much do you shoot a game?

Jonathan Knight wrote:
Yes, it was a smart ass comment. Why? Because this is a completely ridiculous thread.

How does this honestly help you?

Some people may be reassured that shooting 400 pictures is not out-of-the-ordinary in order to end up with 100 sellable photos.

Some find it interesting that photographers better than us actually take more pictures.

Some of us are impressed that pros like yourself can show up, press the shutter once, end up with the SI cover, then go home for the week.

Why does this thread upset you so much? Sure, some threads may be of more value to you than others. Ask Fred for a refund for this thread. He's got a money back guarantee for "completely ridiculous" threads.

Nov 18, 2009 at 02:20 AM

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p.2 #9 · How much do you shoot a game?

Hmm...let's see, I shot nearly 15,000 images one day for Hammy. Shot more than 11,000 on another day and I know all of those went home on a disk to every competitor. Oh wait, you're talking about football?

Well, there was the HS football game at a field with about six lights, in the rain/sleet, 40 miles from home with no access to Internet and I had 30 minutes to shoot then get to a computer to send images under deadline. That time I shot a total of 50 images and had two--literally, two--that were usable. That was all I needed, though.

The key part of Jeremy's post is that this varies by the sport and level of play...AND by the needs of the client.

Time to process? I set a goal for myself after each football game (D1 or NFL) that I have my initial sort complete and the first batch sent to the client within one hour. That typically involves about 1,000 images narrowed down to 60-80, with maybe 20-30 or so being sent with the first batch. The timeline for D1 basketball will typically be the same, except I'm going through anywhere from 500-600 images.

I shot a D2 volleyball game last week and think I ended up with about 300 images from a four-game match and sent in five. Kept many more than that, but those were the five needed for the client.

I have absolutely no clue how many I delete; for me it's just not worth worrying about "keeper" rate. I either get the shots or don't; meet the client's needs or not. If this stuff was brain surgery or rocket science I wouldn't be doing it!

Nov 18, 2009 at 02:32 AM

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p.2 #10 · How much do you shoot a game?

i don't know what i'd do if i shot 15,000 a day...but as long as i was making that much money i'm sure i could suffer through it

Nov 18, 2009 at 02:45 AM

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p.2 #11 · How much do you shoot a game?

I don't get why people are starting to be so rude/hateful on this forum. If the thread is ridiculous then dont' post in it, it's that simple. Your comment is the same if you asked for directions and they just told you to drive til you got there.

Nov 18, 2009 at 02:54 AM

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p.2 #12 · How much do you shoot a game?

I shoot football (at night) and lacrosse (day or night) for the HS website and a local online news site.

For football, I shoot 500 per game. I edit a bit during dead space and come home with 250 frames. I post about 50-70 on the HS site and submit 3-5 for the online news.

For lax, I shoot 700 per game and cull to about 100 for web and 5 for online news.

I'm an amateur, so my keeper rate isn't as good as you guys!

I'm impressed with the work that I see here. I'm inspired and learning from all of you!

Chris

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Nov 18, 2009 at 03:17 AM

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p.2 #13 · How much do you shoot a game?

j.brevard wrote:
I don't get why people are starting to be so rude/hateful on this forum. If the thread is ridiculous then dont' post in it, it's that simple. Your comment is the same if you asked for directions and they just told you to drive til you got there.

its the fact that when i want to see people's work and half of the posts on the front page are stupid ones like these it makes me mad.

I want to see people's work. i could carealess how much you shoot.

Nov 18, 2009 at 03:17 AM

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p.2 #14 · How much do you shoot a game?

Tim Speciale wrote:
Does anyone else ever ask them self why they are shooting pictures at all in the 1st quarter? I don't think I've ever actually used one.

For HS football, which, I think, is what the OP was talking about, the first quarter can be the best time to shoot. I am thinking of those games at the beginning of the season when daylight lingers for a while before surrendering to the stadium lights.

Nov 18, 2009 at 03:22 AM

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p.2 #15 · How much do you shoot a game?

DannWunderlich wrote:
j.brevard wrote:
I don't get why people are starting to be so rude/hateful on this forum. If the thread is ridiculous then dont' post in it, it's that simple. Your comment is the same if you asked for directions and they just told you to drive til you got there.

its the fact that when i want to see people's work and half of the posts on the front page are stupid ones like these it makes me mad.

I want to see people's work. i could carealess how much you shoot.

How much less could you care?

(sorry ..grammar nazi..it should be "I couldn't care less." Common mistake)

Nov 18, 2009 at 03:44 AM

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p.2 #16 · How much do you shoot a game?

Dann and Jonathan,

I've been a lurker and occasional random poster here for a few years, so have had the privilege of watching both of your progressions over this time. Before you convey yourselves as "better" than this thread, calling it "ridiculous" and "stupid", please think back to the nearly 3500 posts that JUST YOU TWO have made...have all of them been entirely useful to the whole community? Of course not - no one here can make that claim.

In fact, I'd be willing to be that in the early days of your time here you had questions and made posts that your current selves might consider "ridiculous" and "stupid"...but you were new, eager and not afraid to ask for help - and others contributed answers during that time that helped in that progression I mentioned earlier. I mean, just think back over the past couple of weeks - how many comments have either/both of you made that bumped a thread that didn't bring attention to photos, but rather maybe what was happening on the weekend or which team would win on a Saturday? It's just the nature of the life of this site.

Again, PLEASE do not take this as me calling you out. I'm simply an older guy seeing two talented young photographers dusting up their names a bit on this board...and for what? So some newer photographers can ask others for some reaffirmation about where they are with their work style/work flow?

There's a lot better/worse things to get riled up about...

Nov 18, 2009 at 03:48 AM

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p.2 #17 · How much do you shoot a game?

And since you wanted a picture...here's one. I mean, things could be worse for both of you - you could look like me

I'm on the left - just wanted to prove that I'm not always a cranky old guy...

2012 © mcarlson

2012 © mcarlson

Nov 18, 2009 at 03:53 AM

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p.2 #18 · How much do you shoot a game?

I shoot D1 and D2 colleges most of my SID's are very happy getting between 150-200 good images. I had been shooting around 300-400 per game depending on the sport. But since I have moved up to a D Mk3 the higher fps rate I find that I am shooting a lot more sequence stuff than I had in the past. Also most of my indoors stuff I shoot strobes so the burst mode is not taking over my shot count. This has done a lot for me in the way I time the shots I am taking and has increased my keeper rate.

While I still practice not to "spray and pray" I will from time to time follow a main player during a drive or run.

But as others have said it really depends on the reason your are there. And the clients needs.

But remember if you are looking for on-line sales parents buy the damnedest things of their kids.

Nov 18, 2009 at 04:02 AM

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p.2 #19 · How much do you shoot a game?

But remember if you are looking for on-line sales parents buy the damnedest things of their kids.

Yea, that has happen to me where I would have a great shot of the kid then another one of just him on the sidelines showing number and helmet..
The mom would order that one instead of the nice action shoot... Oh Well.
I need to work on getting better shots and showing less on my site.. I could be over shooting....lol is there such a thing...lol...

Joe

Nov 18, 2009 at 07:05 PM

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p.2 #20 · How much do you shoot a game?

I shoot a lot of frames for hockey. Maybe 1000 for the game but the keeper rate is really low. I mainly burst on shots to try and get the puck being saved or the puck just as it enters the net. Those are the shots that my paper likes the most and basically everything else is standard stock stuff. Maybe 750 of the 1000 shots are just bursting with focus on the goalie when there is a shot attempt and then bursting the celebration if a goal is scored to try to get the best facial expressions. When shooting from the press box I feel that there isn't much else to get though I've started to experiment with some catwalk shots. Basketball about 250 a game as i only shoot one side of the action. I think I'd be closer to 350 if the Referees didn't seem to always stand right in front of me

Nov 18, 2009 at 08:06 PM

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p.2 #21 · How much do you shoot a game?

So, you shoot 100 or 1000. You have a keeper rate of 30% to 70%.

How many of those 2200 did he sell?

Nov 18, 2009 at 09:37 PM


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