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p.1 #1 · soft box for of camera flash units


It's that time of year and people want to know what is on my xmas list. well after I told them and they said no a list that would mean us not having won the lottery lol I was thinking of a soft box for my canon 580ex flash unit. I saw these in a mag the other week http://www.studio-flash.com/50cm-x-5...etz-p-709.html and just wanted some feed back. Does any one use anything like this ? what's good or bad about them?. I was also looking for some book ideas mainly on the subjects of portraits. So does anyone have any good books they could recommend ?
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Nov 14, 2009 at 10:57 AM
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p.1 #2 · soft box for of camera flash units


I've used one w/ my 580EX, but unless you're quite close with the flash, the 580 just doesn't pack enough power to fight through two layers of screen. I also have an umbrella that doesn't absorb quite as much light, but still is somewhat limiting. I've recently used the umbrella with good success outdoors shooting a senior by putting the flash on the end of a monopod, setting it on manual, and tripping it remotely. This allowed me to place the flash just out of camera view, but close to my subject. For some shots though, I would really like to have had a second flash for more power.

My original thought was to use the softbox and or umbrella for informal wedding or event candids or portraits by using them with a flash bracket. This was the situation where there just wasn't quite the power I'd like to have had. By the way, the bracket and accessories - softbox and umbrella - are from Alzo. The price is good, but the quality is only OK. I haven't replaced them yet, but probably will when I'm feeling flush w/ $'s.

I'm hoping to see more posts about this from others w/ more experience, as I quite like the idea of good light that's very portable!

Cheers, Bruce



Nov 14, 2009 at 01:15 PM
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p.1 #3 · soft box for of camera flash units


I happen to be a fan of the Westcott Apollo 28" for hotshoe flashes. Face the flash towards the rear of the soft box and the light will bounce through the front diffuser very nicely. They're a little pricey ($120 US), but given the ease of setup and wonderful light, well worth the purchase. The Apollo also works very well with smaller monolights (Alien Bees 400/800).


Nov 14, 2009 at 11:58 PM
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p.1 #4 · soft box for of camera flash units


Trying to do studio-style, large diffuser lighting is like trying to pound nails with a screwdriver: it can be done, but isn't the best tool for the job. So all things considered if you want to do studio lighting you'd be better off buying studio lighting gear and leaving the Canon flash for the lighter, more mobile lighting tasks. That's not said to discourage experimentation, but rather to prevent the throwing of money at solutions which could be better spent elsewhere to meet your goal of doing portraits.

Your first mistake is assuming you need a soft box. That's a bit like going the doctor and telling them what to prescribe rather than letting them prescribe a solution. If you want to use a single tethered light and a reflector a modifier like the PhoTek Softlighter would be a better choice than a 28 x 28 softbox because it is larger, will wrap the light more, and because its basically an umbrella with a cover on it will diffuse the light better because 100% of it is forced to change direction, not blast straight through a piece of diffusion fabric.

If you plan on using two flashes in a key / fill arrangement it is possible to get similar soft looking lighting with smaller modifiers. Something on the order of the 28x28 Westcott is ideal. The guy who taught me how to get soft looking light with two direct flashes, Monte Zucker, later used and endorsed the 28x28 Westcott for studio work in his later years. The size of the modifier used for the fill is less critical if it is kept center where it cast few shadows. But a problem with big modifiers on Canon flash is that the control of the slaves is done via visible light pre-flash from a 580ex (not IR or magic) and modifiers block the sensor making radio triggers necessary. That means spending as much on the triggers as on the flashes.

If your goal is better lighting for on the go candid portraits and general editorial / PJ style shooting you could get by quite well with a pair of Canon flashes and simple reflection / diffusers:

http://super.nova.org/TP/DIYdiffusers.jpg

I have both hot shoe and studio lights and use the hot shoe and diffusers when I need a portable solution and use the studio lights when I can get the subjects to the studio. Admittedly I'm lazy but can afford to be because I do photography for amusement, not to make a living. But still I find it easier to do the job with the proper tools. One day a few years ago when visitors dropped by I grabbed the camera with 580ex attached and shot a dual flash photo of the boy below, then decided to switch to the studio lights.

http://super.nova.org/TP/DIYvsSB.jpg

That comparison illustrates you don't need huge modifiers to get soft lighting if two lights are used. I find that is a much more practical way to use Canon flash with its built-in wireless. Note how the upward orientation of the flash head keeps the sensor clear and also causes 100% of the flash output to change direction? That redirection of the light is actually quite similar to how light is scattered in a softbox and size-for-size offers more diffusion than simply blasting the focused flash through a sheet of fabric.

By better understanding the underlying cause and effect you will make more effective purchasing decisions.

Softboxes don't work the same way on hot shoe flash as they do on studio lights due to the difference in flash tube location. Studio lights have bare flash tubes which stick out in the box radiating (and diffusing) in all directions, while the hot shoe focused with fresnel lenses just blasts all its light forward. Also something to consider If using two or more lights with Canon wireless a pitfall is that they are not designed for use with modifiers and modifiers will block the sensor on the slave. A 580ex master uses visible pre-flash, not IR, for communicating with the slave. That's why people find it necessary to use radio triggers, an added expense.

What actually causes diffusion isn't size and distance. Those are just factors which change the direction if light relative to the object casting the shadows: how parallel the light rays are and how many directions they come from. The impression that lighting is "soft" or "hard" in photo is an optical illusion created by several factors. The biggest clue is how light or dark the shadows are, which is a function of how much fill light there is relative to the highlights.

The goal of lighting control, on a technical level is controlling contrast: fitting the range of the scene -- from highlight to shadow -- to the sensor. Fill is needed in most situations because the sensor in the camera has a limited range of only about 6-7 stops of detail. That means when highlights are exposed correctly with any single light source indoors detail the mid-tones will look darker, and shadow detail. That is also true outdoors in direct sun where a subject with back to the sun will have fill from the sky, but because it is 3 stops darker will render the face darker in the photo than seen by eye.

Single Big source vs Smaller Dual Sources:

Big diffusers, used close enough to an object to dwarf it will cause it light to come from many directions including some angles so shallow the light will "wrap" the object and make the edges of the shadows created by the source look lighter. So what is happening is that the key light is also acting as fill. There is no independent control of the shadow tone, it depends on the size and distance of the light. Also unless the light wraps completely the shadows will have a dark core (umbra) in the center of the shadows. As any size source moves further away the character of the light on the object changes because the light rays relative to source and object becomes more parallel.

Dual light key/ fill strategies control contrast, lighten shadows, and create the illusion not by wrapping the key light but by flrst lifting all the shadows the camera sees up to the point the sensor records detail in the darkest shadows

http://super.nova.org/TP/LE01.jpg
Then overlap all the other key and accent sources on top of the fill
http://super.nova.org/TP/LE04.jpg

The net result is a flash lit scene which exactly matches the sensor with a full range of detail. I first learned that cause and effect with hot shoe flash back in the early 1970s. I had the good fortune to work for the photographer who introduced the idea of using dual flash to cover wedding receptions. We used direct flash: one on a bracket the other on a stand, overlapping the key light on top of the even fill like putting white icing on a chocolate cake. Its a brilliant strategy for wedding work because it allows capturing detail in the bride dress and groom suit at the same time, something impossible with single flash due to the short range of the camera.

When fill comes from the direction of the camera, and key light is put about 45 degrees from the nose of a subject the result is flattering "short" lighting with buttery smooth shadows, even with direct flash. The fill light is flat and neutral, casting few shadows and clues about shape in the photo, but it illuminates everything evenly. When the key light is added on top of it to create the illusion of shape with the highlights the shadow tone created with the fill does not change, except to the extent the key light is close and big enough to have the wrap effect explained above. The net effect of even fill and a key light placed to the side is like a very large source which is brighter on one side. Even with direct flash lights used in a key over centered fill arrangement will produce "soft" looking lighting if enough fill is used to light the shadows. It works because the brain it is conditioned to think dark = hard.

The best approach for lighting is to take advantage of any tool that is available. So in that respect when considering Single Big vs Dual Smaller source the best strategy is to use a large key source with neutral fill and get the best that both offer. Finding the best combination for hot shoe is mostly a matter of budget and logistics for use.


Chuck



Nov 15, 2009 at 10:11 AM
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p.1 #5 · soft box for of camera flash units


Another vote for the not so cheap Westcott Apollo. I got one (early Xmas present) and love it. It takes a sturdy stand (or boom stand) and when needed, you can mount more flashes in it.






Nov 15, 2009 at 10:19 AM
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p.1 #6 · soft box for of camera flash units


I have two 16"x16" eBay softboxes that I bought cheap. I am looking at getting an small octabox from Photoflex as I use their brackets with the hotshoe flashes and softboxes already. If I was to do it over I might go with the ezybox for lastolite which is the same size and has many of the same features plus the ability to collapse and store easier. I have a paint pole and umbrella adapter that works great in place of the ezybox. I think 3' is about the limit we can hope to get from an speedlight. Maybe a Quantum could do more but not that much more. Sure you can add multiple speedlights to a softbox but the best approach then is to get some dc capable studio lights for the on location work or do as Chase Jarvis did on the San Disc shoot take the regular studio light and a generator capable to power the setup in use. You can only do so much with speedlights and it is alot just check out both of Joe McNally's books and his videos to see how he lights stuff and he has to be the one photog that pushes the hot shoe flash to its limits and beyond.


Nov 15, 2009 at 04:13 PM
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p.1 #7 · soft box for of camera flash units


I'm a big advocate for the Westcott Apollo line, which I use with speedlights and monolights.

Lots of info and lots of pictures of the softboxes in action at these threads:

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/687870/3
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https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/821096/0


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3482/3744034474_8409113569.jpg

Cheers,
Sid



Nov 16, 2009 at 08:09 AM





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