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p.1 #1 · 14-24/17TS/21ZE/24TS in a church

Yesterday I took some pictures of a local church. It was a good possibility to compare my wide angle lenses in a real situation. All picture weres taken at f/11 and both TS lenses were nearly fully shifted. The camera was a 5D II. Regarding the quality there is not much difference between the 14-24mm, the 17mm TSE, the 21mm ZE and the 24mm TSE II in this situation (in contrast to brick wall tests at f/2.8-4.0):

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17mm TSE:

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21mm ZE:

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24mm TSE II:

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Best reagards,

Boris

Nov 12, 2009 at 10:12 PM

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p.1 #2 · 14-24/17TS/21ZE/24TS in a church

Interesting. Thanks for taking the time to do this and post!

Nov 12, 2009 at 11:22 PM

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p.1 #3 · 14-24/17TS/21ZE/24TS in a church

Bobu wrote:
All picture weres taken at f/11 [...] Regarding the quality there is not much difference between the 14-24mm, the 17mm TSE, the 21mm ZE and the 24mm TSE II in this situation

Well, I can't say I'm surprised.

Happy shooting
Yakim.

Nov 12, 2009 at 11:40 PM

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p.1 #4 · 14-24/17TS/21ZE/24TS in a church

That 17 TSE is .... WOW. All of the pieces of glass you showed here give lots of EOSfun, but that widest TSE is an interesting challenge for the photographers creativity like no other wide lens. Your full shift shot of the ceiling is a great example of the possibilities of a super wide tilt and shift. Thanks for sharing this interesting comparison

Nov 12, 2009 at 11:46 PM

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p.1 #5 · 14-24/17TS/21ZE/24TS in a church

Thank you for the comparison, Boris. The conclusion would be.... at that aperture, it doesn't matter what lens you use, correct

? But I am impressed with both TS-E lenses, even shifted that much

Nov 12, 2009 at 11:47 PM

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eosfun wrote:
That 17 TSE is .... WOW. All of the pieces of glass you showed here give lots of EOSfun, but that widest TSE is an interesting challenge for the photographers creativity like no other wide lens. Your full shift shot of the ceiling is a great example of the possibilities of a super wide tilt and shift. Thanks for sharing this interesting comparison

I really am beginning to like that 17 TSE. I had the original 24 though, and hardly used it. I'm not convinced that I'd get much use out of the 17 either. It would certainly make a nice interior/archetecture lens, and would be useful on a cropper as well as on full frame.

Nov 13, 2009 at 12:24 AM

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p.1 #7 · 14-24/17TS/21ZE/24TS in a church

Nice series. Thanks for posting.

The 17 TSE does look impressive but the 21 ZE doesn't look bad either at $1000 less. The real question for me however is; How would my 16-35 2.8L Mark 1 do in this group. Probably not that bad at f/11.

Nov 13, 2009 at 12:32 AM

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mfoto wrote:
Nice series. Thanks for posting.

The 17 TSE does look impressive but the 21 ZE doesn't look bad either at $1000 less. The real question for me however is; How would my 16-35 2.8L Mark 1 do in this group. Probably not that bad at f/11.

My ex 16-35 mk1 would be completely crushed by my 17TSE even at f11, especially if you look off center.

Nov 13, 2009 at 12:38 AM

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p.1 #9 · 14-24/17TS/21ZE/24TS in a church

Blimey! No recession hitting that church! The 17 TS-E photo is simply incredible.

Nov 13, 2009 at 12:55 AM

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p.1 #10 · 14-24/17TS/21ZE/24TS in a church

What a beautiful church.

Nov 13, 2009 at 01:03 AM

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p.1 #11 · 14-24/17TS/21ZE/24TS in a church

mfoto wrote:
The 17 TSE does look impressive but the 21 ZE doesn't look bad either at $1000 less.

Well then it depends on whether you think the extra wideness of the 17mm focal length and the Tilt/Shift capability is worth $1000.

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Nov 13, 2009 at 01:07 AM

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p.1 #12 · 14-24/17TS/21ZE/24TS in a church

michael49 wrote:
What a beautiful church.

There will be NO commenting on the subject.

Actually, it is quite nice.

Nov 13, 2009 at 01:37 AM

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stanj wrote:
mfoto wrote:
Nice series. Thanks for posting.

The 17 TSE does look impressive but the 21 ZE doesn't look bad either at $1000 less. The real question for me however is; How would my 16-35 2.8L Mark 1 do in this group. Probably not that bad at f/11.

My ex 16-35 mk1 would be completely crushed by my 17TSE even at f11, especially if you look off center.

Thanks Stan. Of course I say "probably not that bad" as a way of telling myself that it's probably good enough for me, for now, and I won't have to worry about shelling out the dollars for one of these wonders. As you know I'm also considering the 24 1.4L II. I am taking my time in making this decision but hope to have wide prime in my bag before a trip in the spring.

Nov 13, 2009 at 01:58 AM

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p.1 #14 · 14-24/17TS/21ZE/24TS in a church

Interesting that the 17 is wider than the 14-24 shot, based on the 5th side windows in view. Are you sure the 14-24 shot was really at 14?

Nov 13, 2009 at 02:24 AM

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p.1 #15 · 14-24/17TS/21ZE/24TS in a church

mfoto wrote:
Thanks Stan. Of course I say "probably not that bad" as a way of telling myself that it's probably good enough for me, for now, and I won't have to worry about shelling out the dollars for one of these wonders. As you know I'm also considering the 24 1.4L II. I am taking my time in making this decision but hope to have wide prime in my bag before a trip in the spring.

Well it depends on what you need

I have the 24L2 as well, and love it. The original 24L was my favorite lens for more than a decade, and the 24L2 is a worthy replacement (unlike the whole 16-35 upgrade

). I'd say it greatly depends on what you need - I have the 24L not for super sharp images but rather for low light work wide open or close to that. I think if you can put the camera on a tripod then most lenses will do fine at f11 - some may do better than others, but by and large they will be all good. I don't have the TSEs for their sharpness but more for the shifting. I had the 24TSE (mk1) as well, and while it didn't scream "pixel peep me!" on the 1Ds3 it was certainly a great lens for its purpose. The new ones are just better

Nov 13, 2009 at 04:23 AM

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Geofn wrote:
Interesting that the 17 is wider than the 14-24 shot, based on the 5th side windows in view. Are you sure the 14-24 shot was really at 14?

Yes, but I changed the position of the tripod between the shots.

Nov 13, 2009 at 05:20 AM

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p.1 #17 · 14-24/17TS/21ZE/24TS in a church

Tom_W wrote:
michael49 wrote:
What a beautiful church.

There will be NO commenting on the subject.

Actually, it is quite nice.

Here you can find some information about this church, but the text is in german:

http://www.ingolstadt.de/stadtmuseum/scheuerer/ing/mdv-kirc.htm

Boris

Nov 13, 2009 at 05:26 AM

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p.1 #18 · 14-24/17TS/21ZE/24TS in a church

AGeoJO wrote:
Thank you for the comparison, Boris. The conclusion would be.... at that aperture, it doesn't matter what lens you use, correct

?

Regard the quality: yes. But regarding the composition the shift-function is quite helpfull in this situation.

Boris

Nov 13, 2009 at 05:29 AM

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p.1 #19 · 14-24/17TS/21ZE/24TS in a church

mfoto wrote:
The real question for me however is; How would my 16-35 2.8L Mark 1 do in this group. Probably not that bad at f/11.

Even at f/11 you would see the difference. I had the 16-35 and sold it, because I was not satisfied with the quality.

Boris

Nov 13, 2009 at 05:31 AM

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p.1 #20 · 14-24/17TS/21ZE/24TS in a church

Boris, you have some beautiful shots on your site. Thanks for your input.

Nov 13, 2009 at 05:51 AM

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p.1 #21 · 14-24/17TS/21ZE/24TS in a church

Great comparison shots, and beautiful church! Looking at the crops, they all seem pretty sharp to me but, the 14-24 seems to have lower contrast or color saturation than the others, am I the only one that see's this? The shifted TS-E 17 shot is awesome!

Nov 13, 2009 at 06:50 AM

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p.1 #22 · 14-24/17TS/21ZE/24TS in a church

It is hard to draw firm conclusions from this series IMHO, interesting though it is, because of the differences in focal legths, tripod position, and maybe other factors. For example, the Zeiss seems to be the one that least makes the side portraits into back blotches. There are also differences on the colour of the blue drapes around the altar in the crops, except that it cannot be seen with the 24 TS/E. Which is good? Bad? I dunno.
My guess is (1) this is a lovely church, and (2) Boris knows his photography and was trying to get the most out of each lens, rather than compare them in a scientific but totally sterile and uninteresting way.
Thanks for the lovely pics.

Nov 13, 2009 at 07:08 AM

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p.1 #23 · 14-24/17TS/21ZE/24TS in a church

Great shots. The 17 TS-E is impressive. Your image shows exactly what I like so much about this lens. It allows you to retake shots in a different manner that sets you apart from any other lens user. You could have shifted down and added more of the floor as well of course. Or combine even more different "shifts" by rotating.

What a lens line-up you have.

I wonder how well an image would be with the 14-24 @14mm if you would have stitched two images. One level and once tilted upwards?

Nov 13, 2009 at 08:14 AM

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p.1 #24 · 14-24/17TS/21ZE/24TS in a church

Great photos. As expected very little to tell apart from one to the other. Don't you get a headache by looking at your bag and wondering which lens to use? I have the 24TSE and the 35L and I still always have to wonder which one to take out.

Nov 13, 2009 at 04:35 PM

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p.1 #25 · 14-24/17TS/21ZE/24TS in a church

You could sell one of the lenses and get some gelled flashes and triggers to illuminate the interior and match color temp to whatever is coming through the windows. That will help you avoid the yellow/blue casts.

Another option would be to allow the windows to get blown out so the church itself would get a proper exposure.

Nov 13, 2009 at 06:23 PM


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