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gpsphoto wrote:
This post is so 3D.

yea, I think I can see it. Could be the lighting though, or the aperture

Nov 03, 2009 at 02:53 AM

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nah, must be the microcontrast.

I'm working at a media startup offering a multi-dimensional visual experience (www.flaii.com) and our intern is working on building a media space with hundreds of licensed photos we purchased. But then he discovered that he needed a few more for his plan. So, I sent him to my flickr page to grab a few more. He remarked on one photo and asked "How did you make that?". My response without even thinking was "I used a Zeiss 35-70 in macro mode."

Thanks Everyone!

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Nov 03, 2009 at 03:15 AM

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Lotusm50 wrote:
Jos Tesseract wrote:

...my good Canon lenses...

That's an oxymoron, isn't it?
;-)

Oxymorons are usually two words, not three.

e.g. Pretty Ugly, Marital Bliss, Irate Patient, Fast Autofocus

Nov 03, 2009 at 03:33 AM

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TeamSK jay wrote:
nah, must be the microcontrast.

Thanks Everyone!

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From your info, we know that you are a good photographer, but I must said that you are a good insect trainer too!
Let me reprise the question "How did you train those insects to form a circle?"

Nov 03, 2009 at 03:39 AM

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Nov 03, 2009 at 03:47 AM

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A nice Nikon.

Nov 03, 2009 at 03:48 AM

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Sigma Quality

Nov 03, 2009 at 03:50 AM

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hans98ko wrote:

From your info, we know that you are a good photographer, but I must said that you are a good insect trainer too!
Let me reprise the question "How did you train those insects to form a circle?"

I'll take credit for the insect training but that is about it.

After our intern's dumbfounded look I realized that he was asking the same thing. The ants are circled around a drop of sugar water that I spilled while filling the hummingbird feeder.

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Nov 03, 2009 at 04:00 AM

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EB-1 wrote:
Wow. A lot of arrogance here.

EBH

I don't go into the Canon/Nikon sub-fora, I'm sorry if my post seemed to criticise them. On FM I only really look in the photo forums and the alt gear forum.

Carsten probably knows what spurred this thread, a reply of mine on L-Camera-Forum that was clear, concise and even referenced a text on fundamental optical theory which explained that it is a lens that causes "purple fringing" and pretty much every kind of lateral and axial CA. I even followed it up with a film shot showing purple fringing and still people said it wasn't the lens and proposed it might be things like stray UV light, or microlenses

Spyro will know that I struggle with an Australian pseudo-photographic forum that is 99% gear measurebating about who has the most focus points or the largest aperture.

And lastly Ulrik would also know that certain RangeFinder specific Forums respond very negatively to any test or opinion that highlights the certain benefits of any other camera system than their own.

This alt gear forum has a wonderful cross section of different technologies, mechanics, priorities and tastes when it comes to photography, and the people here tend to all be rather balanced and open minded.

Nov 03, 2009 at 04:14 AM

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thrice wrote:
and the people here tend to all be rather balanced and open minded.

A little Lithium goes a long way!

Nov 03, 2009 at 04:20 AM

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Haha indeed!

Nov 03, 2009 at 05:29 AM

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Thrice your rant is so tame compared to some in the Canon gear and Nikon gear.

I agree that alt users are more open minded,

not locked into the mindset if it ain't a Nikkor on a Nikon or a Canon EF on a Canon body with IS/VR, fast AF that never front or back focuses, edge to edge sharpness at all apertures including wide open, a sharp copy of the lens then it is a good lens.

If it ain't Canon or Nikon and GOD forbid no AF then it is no good.

Gee if we had that mindset then Zeiss, Leica, Voigtlander, ... may as well just close the doors, and all those great old MF lens by Nikon, Canon, Olympus(Zuiko), Contax.... would end up in landfills. Just think of all the Lead pollution from all the good ole lens that have lead in the glass.

Thrice the purists should be thanking the alt users for saving the environment.

There are quite a few good people in the Canon and Nikon forums, but sadly there too many purists ready to pounce on those with a different view.

I have learned a lot from the alt folks

Nov 03, 2009 at 05:57 AM

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Lotusm50 wrote:
EB-1 wrote:

Wow. A lot of arrogance here.

Nah. Not really. We just embrace our natural brilliance. ;-)

Not an intelligent response on my part, but

Nov 03, 2009 at 06:18 AM

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We are a bunch of people who dare to venture away from the reassuring and comforting "total look" of belonging 100% to the Canon or Nikon communities. This indicates, if you don't mind a two-cent psychological approach, that we don't need/care for wide acceptance/acclaim. Hence our openness to others and other ways, because, as I. B. Singer would have said, we are not looking for our pictures to save ourselves and/or the world...

Nov 03, 2009 at 06:29 AM

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thrice wrote:
No Carsten you're a good one

Hey did you paint your red dot black or did you buy a black dot? I asked the Leica disty here and he's requested black dots from Leica but he says he isn't hopeful. DAG is sold out of em.

I painted one, which worked out okay, but this one is a real one. I walked into my dealer, and noticed that those red leather things they have on the counters to put lenses and cameras on have a black dot in the corner. I asked if I could buy one somehow, and they pulled out two from a drawer. I don't know if every dealer stocks them, but there are several cameras in the Leica M range which have a black dot, including the black M8.2, so there is at least a chance. I still have the second one, and it is going on my M9

Nov 03, 2009 at 07:59 AM

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Daniel, the Leica forum was much more interesting in the early M8 days, when there were many of us trying to push the boundaries, find problems and solutions, testing lenses carefully and so on. Recently the cameras are getting so popular (!) that there has been an influx of knee-jerk new owners some of whom post loudly and think briefly. It is a great shame, really.

Nov 03, 2009 at 08:04 AM

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Carsten, I was a lurker in those days, I still read the M8 forum with more interest than the "omg I haven't used a rangefinder before but I have bought an M9!" and "Leica should have put a D3x inside the M9 and given it autofocus!" threads in the M9 forum. I just read the M9 forum for delivery information and controversy haha.

I'm sure I'll find a way to get some black dots! I made a dual shoe accessory adapter today, but I think it sits a little too high and will cause parallax, MatchTechnical said they'd make one for me from a thumbs up, without the thumbs up part.

Nov 03, 2009 at 08:25 AM

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Hi, Thrice.

One of the things I love of this particular forum is not only the knowledge and the -imho, obvious*- intelligence of its members. It's also a matter of personal availability in working together to effectively help others.

One of my most interesting experiences, extremely useful for me and formative for my profession, was the making of the first compatibility list for the Canon EOS 5D body and C/Y Zeiss - Olympus OM lenses. Thanks to the helpful support of its members I was able to redact and post here probably one of the most read threads on Fred Miranda. This one is infact a great forum and, probably, one of the few (virtual) places in the world that sums up so well the spirit behind the photographer.

Thanks to the "Alternative Forum" I started my first steps in the most fascinating photographic experience of my life, learning about the existance of some kind of lenses and techniques, experimenting various optics in different tasks and assignments, thinking before shooting! It was (and is) awesome: a true "knowledge & experience" free exchange.

You cannot understand the strange sensation I feel when I go to read and participate other forums, especially if they're in my native idiom. There's not another place like this one, especially in Italy: everytime I start to read a post in another place, my thoughts go here and a question comes up almost immediately: "How my friends at the Alternative would discuss this thing?". And I feel alone, really.

The "Alternative" is like my home, even if I do not contribute so much lately. Among the first sites I open every day at morning and the last one I close at evening. I love it as I love the humbleness of its members: even with a great knowledge there's no one that uses it for his/her personal vaunt.

These words are only a tribute to the value of this place: my first and last "virtual photographic school". Sorry for this so long (and probably annoying) post.

Ciao,

Emanuele

P.S. I know, mine isn't a perfect english!

*My guess is that when someone speaks about very technical arguments and do it in a manner that permits to the reader to understand even complex concepts, we're in front of a very intelligent, yet competent, person.

Nov 03, 2009 at 11:36 AM

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Ηeh, I dont even care about lens performance (they all seem the same to me) and I still hang out here

Nov 03, 2009 at 12:00 PM

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Jos Tesseract wrote:
Lotusm50 wrote:
Jos Tesseract wrote:

...my good Canon lenses...

That's an oxymoron, isn't it?
;-)

Oxymorons are usually two words, not three.

e.g. Pretty Ugly, Marital Bliss, Irate Patient, Fast Autofocus

Ummm. Let me "make haste, slowly" in correcting your understanding of oxymorons. (apologies to Octavian). There is no restriction of the number of words for an oxymoron, per se. Rather it is constructed from 2 different parts of speech or terms that together appear contradictory or incongruous -- usually an adjective and subject (noun), but other combinations are possible. "Usually two words", perhaps, but far from exclusively. In the case presented, "Canon lenses" is the subject (noun). It wouldn't work if it were just "good lenses", and much less of an oxymoron if it were "good Canon". No, "good Canon lenses" is quite acceptable as an oxymoron, if you accept or recognize its premise, of course.

And by the way, lighten up, it was a joke. We really weren't looking for a lesson on language (and it didn't actually require one).

Now excuse me while I go an relax over a plate of jumbo shrimp and welcome deafening silence on this.

Nov 03, 2009 at 12:40 PM

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Spyro has the idea.

This is the only place on the whole internet I ever bother posting

Ok well except for a few street photo type groups on flickr, but even there I never actually write anything!

Nov 03, 2009 at 12:42 PM

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burningheart wrote:
I have learned a lot from the alt folks

Me too.

Happy shooting,
Yakim.

Nov 03, 2009 at 01:09 PM

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cogitech wrote:
Oh, Dan, I agree with your original post. The intelligence here is second only to the talent, IMO.

You should all get a room... ;-) [ducks]

Nov 03, 2009 at 01:24 PM

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There's probably a certain amount of madness prevalent in those who frequent the Alt forum. I remember the posts of horror and indignation from a few Canon fanatics when I sliced my 1DS mirror back in the day so that I could try mounting a few alt lenses. My surgical skills weren't very good ... but I found out that the Leica 180/2 produced some great images on the 1DS.

Kurt

Nov 03, 2009 at 01:56 PM

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brainiac wrote:
cogitech wrote:
Oh, Dan, I agree with your original post. The intelligence here is second only to the talent, IMO.

You should all get a room... ;-) [ducks]

Hey, you're included in that compliment of mine, good sir.

Nov 03, 2009 at 02:51 PM


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