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Archive 2009 · Clarification

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p.1 #1 · Clarification

Okay.

I apologize if I hit a nerve of all the paid wedding photographers on this forum. I really did not mean to.

Yes, I am an amateur photographer and that is why I came here to ask questions. A lot of you seem like you know what you are doing and could offer helpful advice that I would very much appreciate.
I'm not out to steal your business; it will be a while before I will charge any one for photos, if I even get to that point.

I deleted my original post to hopefully let the post die out. I was feeling bombarded by the negativity when I just asked a few simple questions.

A lot of people asked questions about my equipment and I didn't have time to answer earlier, but I will now.

Yes, for some shots I was using the kit lens. I know they aren't the best at all, but that and a 75-300mm, f/4-5.6 lens were all I had. I wasn't about to ask the bride and groom to wait until I saved money to buy better lenses to get married. =)

I will post a few photos that I took; some from the ceremony inside the church and some from the group shots afterward. I hope to receive some helpful advice on how to improve, I've gotten all the criticism that I need.

I posted earlier that I told the bride and groom that I had "no experience", and I only meant that in the wedding photography realm. My experience lies more in landscape and outdoor photography; stuff where I have more time to figure out the lighting situation.

Here is an example of a shot from inside the church, which I am not happy with:

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Here is one which I am bit happier with, but I still don't like how it turned out:

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And for some contrast, here's a group photo:

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Nov 01, 2009 at 03:11 PM

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shooting RAW will not do anything for 'blurry' photos.

sounds like slow shutter speed to me

Nov 01, 2009 at 03:13 PM

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p.1 #3 · Clarification

IF this is a real post...

What were you doing even shooting a wedding?

Nov 01, 2009 at 03:15 PM

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p.1 #4 · Clarification

I'm afraid you may well get blasted any minute.

Were you the only person paid to shoot this wedding?
Did the couple know that this was your first wedding shoot?

Shooting a wedding without KNOWING you could do it is, at best, reckless.

Can you post some examples? Blurriness can be a myriad of things: camera shake, subject movement, out-of-focus, too shallow depth of field or if only slight perhaps just under sharpened RAW files.

Shooting in low light conditions is difficult, and dealing with so many people on such an important day is even more difficult. You need both experience and ideally decent equipment, lenses more so than bodies in my experience.

J

Nov 01, 2009 at 03:16 PM

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What frustrated me was that the photos worked well at the rehearsal, set up the same way I was going to do the actual wedding. But it didn't work at the wedding.

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I mentioned that it was my first wedding and I wasn't the only photographer there. I'm trying to learn, and I would appreciate it if I got help instead of insults.

Nov 01, 2009 at 03:18 PM

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p.1 #6 · Clarification

And I did it for free. It was a favor and a learning experience. Both bride and groom knew I was not experienced and they were both good friends of mine, so it all was covered and understood.

Nov 01, 2009 at 03:20 PM

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jennimon wrote:
So I have a question.

I recently did my first wedding and I am completely disappointed. It isn't about my shots; I'm pleased with what I took, with concerns to composition. I'm disappointed with my camera.

It was a major crisis time. I was lying on the floor of the church, or draped over the balcony messing with every single setting, trying hundreds of different combinations to get it to shoot well, but it didn't. Every single ceremony photo is blurry.
External flash with a diffuser - still blurry.
External flash with no diffuser - still blurry.
Built in flash, no diffuser - still blurry.
No flash - still blurry.

I shoot with a Canon Rebel XT (digital). Is my model just not good for low lighting, movement photos? Is it user error?

I was shooting in RAW most the time, but my frustration led me to try all the factory presets as well.

Any advice?
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What frustrated me was that the photos worked well at the rehearsal, set up the same way I was going to do the actual wedding. But it didn't work at the wedding.

P.S.
I mentioned that it was my first wedding and I wasn't the only photographer there. I'm trying to learn, and I would appreciate it if I got help instead of insults.

I don't see anything in the first post alluding to another photographer. I'm very glad to see you mention that now!

What lenses were you using? Yes, posting some photos may be most helpful.

Linda

Nov 01, 2009 at 03:23 PM

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If you're truly interested in shooting weddings...and charging $ for them...you should second shoot for as many different pro wedding shooters that you can while learning everything you can about the mechanics of photography.

"Trying hundreds of combinations as well as factory presets" tells us that you're not as familiar with photography as you should be when shooting an event like a wedding.

High ISO + fast glass + appropriate shutter speed would have solved your problem assuming you're style leans towards natural light.

I'm guessing that the lighting conditions at the rehearsal were different than the lighting condifions at the wedding...either that or you accidentally switched ISO and didn't realize it.

Find a pro who will take you on as an assistant and then apprentice for him or her for at least a season.

Good luck.

..Lew..

Nov 01, 2009 at 03:26 PM

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p.1 #9 · Clarification

I didn't mean to sound insulting, and am more than happy to help.
Please do post some photos if you can.

J

jennimon wrote:
What frustrated me was that the photos worked well at the rehearsal, set up the same way I was going to do the actual wedding. But it didn't work at the wedding.

P.S.
I mentioned that it was my first wedding and I wasn't the only photographer there. I'm trying to learn, and I would appreciate it if I got help instead of insults.

Nov 01, 2009 at 03:32 PM

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p.1 #10 · Clarification

Practice anywhere and everywhere other than weddings. School, church and community events, friends and family, etc. Find the worse lighting conditions and learn to work with them.

What lenses and flash were you working with?

Nov 01, 2009 at 03:32 PM

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p.1 #11 · Clarification

this is helpful, and not an insult. if you think a "bad camera" is the cause of your blurry images, you clearly have little to no knowledge of how exposure works. you need to be reading a book or asking questions in a beginner photography forum, not a wedding forum.

best of luck.

Nov 01, 2009 at 03:44 PM

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p.1 #12 · Clarification

Blurry, as in motion blur, would be caused by either camera or subject movement.
This you should already know how to fix...adjust your camera settings (ISO, f/) so that you get your shutter speed up to at least 1/30.

Blurry, as in out of focus, is just that...out of focus.
I have had the little AF/MF switch get bumped to MF when pulling the lens out of a pouch, so now I check that every time I change lenses.

Nov 01, 2009 at 04:06 PM

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jennimon wrote:

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What frustrated me was that the photos worked well at the rehearsal, set up the same way I was going to do the actual wedding. But it didn't work at the wedding.

To clarify what I meant by "hundreds of different combinations"... I was talking about different ISO's, etc. I found the ISO that worked at the rehearsal and I didn't shoot anything else after that, kept the camera set up the same way. The rehearsal and the ceremony were at the same time of day.

P.S.
I wasn't the only photographer there and I did it for free. The bride and good understood that I have no experience and they were both good friends of mine. I'm trying to learn, and I would appreciate it if I got help instead of insults.

unfortunately, your edited post makes your lack of knowledge even more apparent. simply having a camera in your hands does not make you a photographer. if you have "no experience" why would you expect to get great results? and, frankly, why would you be so distracting as to blast off your flash and be changing settings "hundreds" of times during someone's most important day? sadly, that bit is just plain rude.

hey, i know i've never baked a 5-tier fondant-covered cake before, and i know it's your great-granny's 100th birthday party, but i can do it! i own an oven! oops. sorry i burned your house down.

i would encourage you to first pursue even the most basic knowledge of photography before you even consider pursuing professional photography. try a book by: http://www.scottkelby.com/

Nov 01, 2009 at 04:10 PM

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Son, I am disappoint.

You need to upload a couple of photos.

Nov 01, 2009 at 04:13 PM

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p.1 #15 · Clarification

What you wrote about in your first post, is exactly why couple's should hire a professional photographer.

Without seeing any sample pics... my guess is that your shutter speeds were too slow and you suffered from camera shake. I know that you said that both the rehearsal and wedding were at the same time of day, so you used the same settings, but light can vary greatly even at the same time of day. If one day was more cloudy you'd have varying amounts of light coming in through the windows, illuminating the ceremony and reception venues.

At the core.. it sounds like you may only have a basic understanding of what is happening when you are changing settings. I say this because if you were really changing settings as much as you were without getting an acceptable result, you were merely guessing, hoping to get something right. A pro can look at a shot and dial in a correct setting in one step, usually we can dial in a setting just by looking at the available light without a test shot.

I'd recommend picking up "Understanding Exposure" by Brian Peterson. After all of that, I'd be willing to bet that your choice of gear wasn't the best either. Even if you had a full professional understanding of photography, you'd run into the limitations of your gear in a wedding setting.

Rich

Nov 01, 2009 at 04:45 PM

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Learning to be a wedding photographer (or photographer in general) at a friend's wedding isn't a great place. There are much better avenues and places to learn. Like Grits said, just because you have a camera doesn't make you a photographer. Learn to swing before you try to take pitches in the big leagues.

However I will have a slice of that 5-tier fondant-covered cake, it sounds delicious, even if you did burn my house down.

Nov 01, 2009 at 04:53 PM

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p.1 #17 · Clarification

jennimon wrote:
The bride and good understood that I have no experience and they were both good friends of mine.

Past tense = they didn't like the blurry photos?

Nov 01, 2009 at 04:54 PM

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Go get a magic ball, and ask it why. Mine said, "ask again later".

For Pete's sake, this is a photo forum, upload a few then we can help. Nobody can diagnose your problems blind-folded.

Nov 01, 2009 at 04:56 PM

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p.1 #19 · Clarification

What lens were you using?

Nov 01, 2009 at 05:06 PM

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ngoduyviet wrote:
Go get a magic ball, and ask it why. Mine said, "ask again later".

For Pete's sake, this is a photo forum, upload a few then we can help. Nobody can diagnose your problems blind-folded.

ROTFL

No one hits it out of the ballpark the first time out... You will have to strike out many times before you hit a grand slam.

Nov 01, 2009 at 05:13 PM

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Well I suppose it's a good thing in one sense that at least you are coming on here and asking advice so you clearly have a desire to improve.

If you want actual advice then probably best post -

Lens used.
Examples of 'blur' etc with exif data embedded so we can see your settings and diagnose what went wrong.

Yes you may get slated but I'm sure a few folk will offer constructive advice (most of the stuff above is spot on)

Seriously though - you need to accept that you are about 1% down the road to charging someone for your services - you need to get a basic understanding of exposure/available light/ISO etc etc before you start fiddling away with settings. It sounds like you would have been better off sticking it on auto and letting the camera decide.

Nov 01, 2009 at 05:27 PM

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p.1 #22 · Clarification

Hope this would not be an insult. My only advice is to learn the basics before even shooting one's wedding.

Nov 01, 2009 at 05:35 PM

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p.1 #23 · Clarification

Wow you guys are pretty hard core. The wedding is over, someone needed help and the righteous police are coming out of the corners waving their batons. I know now to keep my questions in PMs.

Nov 01, 2009 at 06:54 PM

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^ I didn't see anything particularly hardcore posted here.

I think any group of professionals would have reacted similarly. No one likes to see someone pissing in the pool.

Also, I think her post touched a nerve. The 'Its easy being a photographer! I wanna make buckets of money on this simple trade!" nerve.

Nov 01, 2009 at 07:05 PM

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p.1 #25 · Clarification

I think that once the OP said that they weren't being paid and they weren't the only photographer (not sure if this meant more uncle bobs or a paid pro) I think it was pretty constructive.

There is not much more that can be said after 'learn the basics' to the original post.

Nov 01, 2009 at 07:13 PM


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