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dimitris77 wrote:
Why would you need IS on an ultra wide?

Oct 29, 2009 at 11:36 AM

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p.3 #2 · New Canon 14-24L? interesting patent...

matanuska wrote:
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There's also the possibility it could be an EF-S lens too...

that would be sad.

Nah... the range of focal length suggests full frame. 14-24mm on a crop sensor is useless.

Oct 29, 2009 at 11:45 AM

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p.3 #3 · New Canon 14-24L? interesting patent...

Dawei Ye wrote:
dimitris77 wrote:
Why would you need IS on an ultra wide?

Don't you find you use Wide Angles stopped down?

When you stop down a lens, the aperture is made smaller, so less light comes in.

When less light comes in, a longer shutter duration is required to obtain a given exposure (assuming we hold ISO constant), increasing motion blur.

IS helps reduce camera shake induced motion blur

For the typical use of an UWA, IS would not allow you a long enough exposure for it to be useful. Not to mention if you want to do exposure and/or focus bracketing... or shoot multiple frames for pano. Besides, no self respecting landscape shooter would be caught dead without a tripod.

Oct 29, 2009 at 11:58 AM

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p.3 #4 · New Canon 14-24L? interesting patent...

f/2.8 would be almost ideal. It'd be great for starscapes.. I hate using slower speeds like f/4.

Even better if it was f/1

Oct 29, 2009 at 01:03 PM

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For the typical use of an UWA, IS would not allow you a long enough exposure for it to be useful. Not to mention if you want to do exposure and/or focus bracketing... or shoot multiple frames for pano. Besides, no self respecting landscape shooter would be caught dead without a tripod.

This is a very narrow view. There are photographers beyond landscape types who require a fast wide angle lens. When did UWA's become the sole domain of landscape photographers?

Tripods are impractical for wedding and event photographers like to drag shutters at speeds like 1/4, 1/5 etc. Being able to handhold an image at 1/5, 1/10 or 1/15 is a godsend, and subject motion is rarely an issue for those wide shots where people are tiny in them. Camera motion in absence of IS is though. If you'd like I can send you about 1000 otherwise usable 14L II photos I have that were ruined due to camera shake, at shutters like 1/15, 1/10 etc

Oct 29, 2009 at 02:10 PM

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p.3 #6 · New Canon 14-24L? interesting patent...

yeah and i dont know about many of the other landscape guys out there, but the 16mm is usually to wide for normal landscape stuff. I lot of my landscape stuff at 10mm is more like nature photography than landscape

Oct 29, 2009 at 02:22 PM

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p.3 #7 · New Canon 14-24L? interesting patent...

Dawei Ye wrote:
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For the typical use of an UWA, IS would not allow you a long enough exposure for it to be useful. Not to mention if you want to do exposure and/or focus bracketing... or shoot multiple frames for pano. Besides, no self respecting landscape shooter would be caught dead without a tripod.

This is a very narrow view. There are photographers beyond landscape types who require a fast wide angle lens. When did UWA's become the sole domain of landscape photographers?

Tripods are impractical for wedding and event photographers like to drag shutters at speeds like 1/4, 1/5 etc. Being able to handhold an image at 1/5, 1/10 or 1/15 is a godsend, and subject motion is rarely an issue for those wide shots where people are tiny in them. Camera motion in absence of IS is though. If you'd like I can send you about 1000 otherwise usable 14L II photos I have that were ruined due to camera shake, at shutters like 1/15, 1/10 etc

I did say "for the typical use". What do you think that phrase implies?

Mate... wedding is about the people, what's the point of shooting with a UWA where the people are so tiny that motion blur doesn't matter? And even if you do shoot with UWA, I don't think it would be very often.

How about some sample shots of that situation you just described? Or perhaps some wedding photographers here can shed some light on this matter?

Oct 29, 2009 at 02:32 PM

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p.3 #8 · New Canon 14-24L? interesting patent...

It's much too large and complex for any point-and-shoot lens. Canon is not making film P&S's either really, as far as I know. (at least not any new ones).

Re: sensor size on the 20-24mm iteration - I doubt there's a Canon digital 645 in the works, that seems unlikely, since there were no patents for new cameras/sensors/etc. that would indicate something like that was afoot. Plus they'd need way more than one new lens to go with it. I'd think maybe something more along the lines of a tilt/shift zoom, possibly? I still think they (Canon) are being somewhat obtuse with the patent and rather than 2 zooms it's really 1 that is more likely, covering both ranges.

Hopefully something will come of it!

-Ed

Oct 29, 2009 at 02:37 PM

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cgardner wrote:
Check out Figure 11 in the documentation for a hint at what the next camera Pro body will look like

No, the note for that one clearly screams P&S for the Myspace generation. It's going to have a projector like the recently released Nikon. For all the bitching a lot of you guys do, it's getting to the point where a lot of it is valid. It seems like Canon is making no attempt to be cutting edge anymore, and waiting for Nikon to release new stuff so they can replicate the ideas for their line.

dimitris77 wrote:
Why would you need IS on an ultra wide?

You wouldn't [except in low-light conditions, shooting hand-held] but that doesn't mean Canon won't put it there. If it means they can make a couple hundred dollars more, using existing technology, why not?

Oct 29, 2009 at 04:13 PM

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p.3 #10 · New Canon 14-24L? interesting patent...

For architecture I have my absolute dream lens in the TS-E 17 now. For walk around purposes a 14-24 would be very welcome only if it does not have the large front element. You have to be so careful.

Oct 29, 2009 at 05:03 PM

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p.3 #11 · New Canon 14-24L? interesting patent...

matanuska wrote:
Considering the Nikon 14-24 f/2.8 (no IS) is pushing $2k, I don't think this would be cheaper than the existing 16-35.

But I think the gap between 14 and 17mm is pretty large

Oct 29, 2009 at 09:11 PM

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p.3 #12 · New Canon 14-24L? interesting patent...

Lens design for UWA is already difficult enough, add extra elements and an IS system to the equation and you've complicated things even further. IMO we won't see an in lens IS system in an EF-mount UWA for a while.

Oct 29, 2009 at 09:18 PM

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p.3 #13 · New Canon 14-24L? interesting patent...

I see IS coming to the 24-70 as more likely than on a uwa.

If a 14-24 does come out will the 16-35 me discontinued? How about an uwa for the 1D? Like say a 11-24?

Oct 30, 2009 at 03:27 AM

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p.3 #14 · New Canon 14-24L? interesting patent...

They won't drop the 16-35, it's a less specialized tool than the 14-24 IMO and will always be popular. I think a 14-24 is your UWA for a 1.3x crop.

Oct 30, 2009 at 04:05 AM

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p.3 #15 · New Canon 14-24L? interesting patent...

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They won't drop the 16-35, it's a less specialized tool than the 14-24 IMO and will always be popular. I think a 14-24 is your UWA for a 1.3x crop.
18.2-31.2mm equivalent wide enough?

Oct 30, 2009 at 05:41 AM

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Jos Tesseract wrote:

You wouldn't [except in low-light conditions, shooting hand-held] but that doesn't mean Canon won't put it there. If it means they can make a couple hundred dollars more, using existing technology, why not?

I think Wide Angles are one class of lens that are really crying out for IS. Their very nature (to get wide encompassing scenes) means that you often have to stop them down to get DOF...meaning less light...meaning greater chance of motion blur. I think (and hope) it's only a matter of time.

Another class of lenses that need IS are things like the 24L, 35L, 85L, 135L. Those are really crying out for IS. The 85L and 135L are impaired in their low light function simply by the need to get high shutter speeds like 1/100

As identified though, there are some possible technical reasons why it is not feasible at this time to give them IS.

If we really are looking for lenses where IS is useless, I would daresay lenses like the 600L IS or 800L IS, which would be crazy to handhold...but that would be my ignorance speaking. Users of those lenses may very well utilise the IS in those lenses too!

Bring on (optional) Body IS

Oct 30, 2009 at 10:57 AM

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p.3 #17 · New Canon 14-24L? interesting patent...

M Vers wrote:
Lens design for UWA is already difficult enough, add extra elements and an IS system to the equation and you've complicated things even further. IMO we won't see an in lens IS system in an EF-mount UWA for a while.

I think we'll see in-body IS before IS on an ultra-wide

Oct 30, 2009 at 11:47 AM

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Adam L wrote:

I think we'll see in-body IS before IS on an ultra-wide

Unless Canon redesigns a great number of its lenses, we won't see it on a full-frame camera any time soon. Why? Because the sensor would move outside of the image circle in its attempt to correct camera shake/movement and we would have significant vignetting as a result. The 1.3 X sensor could accomodate this without trouble due to the fact that the corners of the sensor do not reach the edge of the projected image circle.

Oct 30, 2009 at 12:52 PM

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p.3 #19 · New Canon 14-24L? interesting patent...

Forget about UWA IS. This is about a lens, that may or may not get built. Usually they mention IS in the patents, so given that this one is not mentioned, I'd think it's not going to be IS.

-Ed

Oct 30, 2009 at 07:42 PM

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p.3 #20 · New Canon 14-24L? interesting patent...

cgardner wrote:
Check out Figure 11 in the documentation for a hint at what the next camera Pro body will look like

As long as the dimensionms are the same as a Leica M9 I'd be satisfied

Oct 31, 2009 at 12:36 AM

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p.3 #21 · New Canon 14-24L? interesting patent...

I would love a 14-24 f2.8L, to go with a new 24-70 f2.8LII IS and a new 70-200 f2.8LII IS

Craig Gowens wrote:
I The opening size and the angle of view would conform to...wait for it, a sensor size of approximately 49.8x33.2mm. SMALL MEDIUM FORMAT! Canon 645?!?!
I wouldn't be surprised if Canon have a MF body full of Canon electronics just as a method of exploring options of new markets.

hmmm....
A $12k-$15k small MF body that can do 5fps, iso from a native 50 to 3600.

Nov 03, 2009 at 07:08 AM

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p.3 #22 · New Canon 14-24L? interesting patent...

Now thats sounds good!

Nov 03, 2009 at 09:48 AM

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p.3 #23 · New Canon 14-24L? interesting patent...

Paul Pope on DPR reckons the 1 series concept is going (1Ds IV will be the last).

Soooo.. maybe they are indeed going to ditch 35mm at the top and and start a brand new system. No more EOS? You heard it here first! Let's see how long it takes to get to CanonRumors

Nov 03, 2009 at 11:29 AM

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p.3 #24 · New Canon 14-24L? interesting patent...

Great what do I do about my current bunch of useless EF lenses

I don't know if I should even get the 200 f/2L IS now

The bad thing about these rumors is that they mess with your brain

Nov 03, 2009 at 02:42 PM

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p.3 #25 · New Canon 14-24L? interesting patent...

I'd love to see a Canon 645!

Then again my dream would be, ditch EOS and introduce a rangefinder line and a 645 line, like Leica just did. But that wouldn't be practicle.

Nov 03, 2009 at 07:18 PM


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