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Ed Sawyer wrote:
Could be something like a 14-24L zoom maybe?


Interesting find. Thanks for posting.

Take a look at fig.8 from the drawings section.
A zoom lens is shown that is longer at the wide end and shorter at the tele end.
The 24-70L is currently the only (?) Canon lens with such design.
Could this be the upcoming 24-70L IS

Oct 28, 2009 at 11:35 PM
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All these speculations are making my imaginations go wild! I'm looking forward to what Canon will offer in the wide end.

Oct 29, 2009 at 12:07 AM
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jorkata wrote:

Take a look at fig.8 from the drawings section.
A zoom lens is shown that is longer at the wide end and shorter at the tele end.
The 24-70L is currently the only (?) Canon lens with such design.
Could this be the upcoming 24-70L IS


I don't think so based on the design of the front elements, which indicate it to be a lens with much wider angle of coverage (and is mentioned in the patent description).

Also, if you take look into the 16-35 zoom from the lens mount (probably also the 17-40, but I don't own one), you'll notice that as you zoom to the 'tele' end, the rear elements move forward towards the front group, just like in the patent diagrams. It's easy to overlook because it all happens inside the lens housing.

Ron

Oct 29, 2009 at 12:11 AM
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rscheffler wrote:
It's easy to overlook because it all happens inside the lens housing.


Makes sense.


Oct 29, 2009 at 12:33 AM
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p.2 #5 · New Canon 14-24L? interesting patent...


Whatever it is, you'll have to buy three copies to get a really sharp one.

EBH

Oct 29, 2009 at 12:34 AM
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Couldn't be an ef-s with both 10-22 and 17-55 out there.

IF it is a 14-24 (L presumably) that would be interesting, especially if it's aimed at the highly regarded Nikon equivalent. Putting IS in it might even make more sense since Canon will probably want to keep the 16-35L in the lineup... We already know this lens is going to cost an arm+leg anyway IF it ever materializes.

Fun to speculate



Oct 29, 2009 at 12:37 AM
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p.2 #7 · New Canon 14-24L? interesting patent...


Witness my seat-of-the-pants logic:

The 16-35L II has 16 elements in 12 groups.

The Nikon 14-24 has 14 elements in 11 groups.

These patent drawings show 11 elements in ? groups?

The EF-S 18-35 has 11 elements in 9 groups.

So you're free to conclude the similarities are not like the Nikkor nor the L

Oct 29, 2009 at 12:52 AM
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sirimiri wrote:
These patent drawings show 11 elements in ? groups?


I count 14 elements in one diagram and 15 in another.

EBH


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Oct 29, 2009 at 12:56 AM
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That's special lens for pelicle mirror

Oct 29, 2009 at 12:59 AM
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14-24/2.8



Oct 29, 2009 at 01:08 AM
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M Vers wrote:


Well..a lot of the EF-S line seems redundant.


so true

Oct 29, 2009 at 01:08 AM
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wow if this was a 14-24L IS with even comparable IQ to the 14 f/2.8LII it would pee all over the Nikon 14-24G

Oct 29, 2009 at 01:10 AM
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rscheffler wrote:
jorkata wrote:

Take a look at fig.8 from the drawings section.
A zoom lens is shown that is longer at the wide end and shorter at the tele end.
The 24-70L is currently the only (?) Canon lens with such design.
Could this be the upcoming 24-70L IS


I don't think so based on the design of the front elements, which indicate it to be a lens with much wider angle of coverage (and is mentioned in the patent description).

Also, if you take look into the 16-35 zoom from the lens mount (probably also the 17-40, but I don't own one), you'll notice that as you zoom to the 'tele' end, the rear elements move forward towards the front group, just like in the patent diagrams. It's easy to overlook because it all happens inside the lens housing.

Ron



Yes those front elements are indicative of UWA, highly aspherical and very large to minimise vignetting wide open. Looks just like front of 17 TS-E or Nikon 14-24

17 TS-E block diagram


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Nikon 14-24


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I couldn't imagine this not happening and quickly. An upgrade to the heavy and huge 24-70 would be nice as well. Nikon released its 90mm Macro patent and two weeks later it was out on the wire. Cant wait to see this one..

Oct 29, 2009 at 01:43 AM
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Dawei Ye wrote:
wow if this was a 14-24L IS with even comparable IQ to the 14 f/2.8LII it would pee all over the Nikon 14-24G


Why would you need IS on an ultra wide?

Oct 29, 2009 at 01:57 AM
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I would be happy if it was 14-24 f/4L to keep cost down, and I'm not interested in f/2.8 for UWA. Doesn't need IS at all IMO. Keep IS for the 24-70L update.

Oct 29, 2009 at 02:02 AM
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Didn't anyone actually LOOK at the patent?

It outlines two fix-focals and two zooms, and static data for six points in these products. The primes are 14F/2.8 with an image circle of r21mm (FF), and a 17F/4 with r33 (a T/S lens?). The zooms: One is a 14-18mm zoom F/4-4.7 with r21 (FF), the other is a 20-24mm F/4-4.4 with a r29 () projection. FF has a projection circle of r21.6mm.

Oct 29, 2009 at 02:06 AM
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p.2 #18 · New Canon 14-24L? interesting patent...


the 24-70 will always be huge.

have you ever picked up a nikon 14-24 2.8? it ain't exactly a lightweight.




Chefdaniel wrote:
I couldn't imagine this not happening and quickly. An upgrade to the heavy and huge 24-70 would be nice as well. Nikon released its 90mm Macro patent and two weeks later it was out on the wire. Cant wait to see this one..



Oct 29, 2009 at 02:50 AM
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p.2 #19 · New Canon 14-24L? interesting patent...


big country wrote:
the 24-70 will always be huge.

have you ever picked up a nikon 14-24 2.8? it ain't exactly a lightweight.


But as Tamron and Sigma have shown, it doesn't have to be as huge. They are as good optically despite their smaller sizes, especially the Tamron. It's a 28mm not 24mm, but the 28-70L isn't much smaller than the 24-70L.

Oct 29, 2009 at 03:00 AM
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jcowell - actually I do peruse the patents quite a bit. one for looking up old lenses, to learn of their design ideas. And two, to see what companies are up to recently.

theSuede - indeed, in the patent they describe several iterations of it, but interestingly really only one diagram/optical formula. they are deliberately vague in the patent too, talking about silver halide (film) camera usage, digital and/or video camera usage also. The patent reads a lot more vague and general than many of their lens patents in the past, which is somewhat odd. They seem to be hedging their bets some, or else it's a catch-all patent for some recent lenses (TSE 17?) and some forthcoming ones (zooms?). Usually patents on lenses though are for a specific lens, not a general concept.

Additionally, it specs out 5 aspherical surfaces (similar to 14-24 nikon I'd guess), which is a hell of a lot, and bound to add to cost.

Also, on lens patents, usually there are multiple iterations in a given patent - basically listing 3 or so versions of a given lens, with one being the production model. Not sure why that is usually done but it's the case often. that might explain the multiple zoom options. I highly doubt they'd actually put out a zoom from 14-18 or 20-24 (too limited, and no need for that big of a front element setup for something only 20mm focal length), so my guess is it's a combination of the two ranges, e.g. 14-24.

Even if this patent is designed to cover multiple lenses (e.g. 14L II and 17-TSE), it still doesn't explain the zoom iterations, as those don't exist (yet) as far as I can tell from comparison with existing canon lenses and their formulas. So, my guess is they still have a wide 14-24L type zoom on the horizon, most likely.

Also given the image circle radiuses, it's clearly not EF-S.

hopefully it will see the light of day!

-Ed


Oct 29, 2009 at 03:30 AM
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wish i had access to my optical design programs from my old work, id just pop in those lens radii and tell you what theyre making
a 14-24 would be sooo awesome


Oct 29, 2009 at 03:46 AM
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In the patent, on the cover page, I see 15 elements in 13 groups.
In Figure 1, there are 15 elements in 13 groups in the same configuration as the cover image.
In Figure 3, there are 17 elements in 14 groups.
In Figures 5 and 8, there are 14 elements in 12 groups. They are undoubtedly zooms.

EDIT: Digging deeper in the patent...

theSuede is right. The first zoom is a 14-18mm f/4-4.7 and the second is a 20-24mm f/4-4.4. The angles of view listed for the 14-18mm conform to the specs of a full frame sensor, but something is definitely up with the 20-24mm. The opening size and the angle of view would conform to...wait for it, a sensor size of approximately 49.8x33.2mm. SMALL MEDIUM FORMAT! Canon 645?!?!

Oct 29, 2009 at 04:06 AM
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Wow, witness my previous seat-of-the-pants logic utterly crash and burn. Not only that, but I should just refrain from interpreting these sorts of drawings as I am seemingly immune to correctly reading the quantity of elements

You guys seemingly really know this stuff backwards and forwards - keep the speculation coming, it's an interesting read.

Oct 29, 2009 at 06:01 AM
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I saw a drawing of a point and shoot... could this be a diagram for point and shoot lens?

Oct 29, 2009 at 08:19 AM
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It's the new 17-40 MkII!

Would be great to see a 14-24 or 15-30 from Canon.









Oct 29, 2009 at 08:27 AM




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