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Leon Noel
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p.8 #1 · what is '3d' ?


Richard probably would associate lens design with 3d look. While I agree to a certain extent, I still strongly believe micro contrast will play the biggest role.

What's 1 thing that all zeiss lenses have in common? Not the design, some are Planar some are Sonnar some are Tessar, some are primes and some are zooms. But all of them to a certain degree are successful at introducing 'pop' into the scene (nothing music related here ). Which leads me to deduct the secret must be what all those Zeiss have in common, T* coating.

T* coating is extremely adept at retaining micro contrast, even under unfavorable lighting conditions, of course it can still flare or ghost if the lens design is too complicated (e.g, C/Y Contax Distagon 21mm), but for the most part subtle tonal details are conserved. This helps produce a 'live' and vivid look which our eyes are accustomed too.

If you think about it, for a subject's form to 'pop', 2 conditions should be met:
1./ it's surface texture should be there
2./ edge contrast should be there

A lens that fails to render subtle texture on the surface of an object will make the subject itself appear flat and lifeless; on the other hand a lens with good micro contrast will retain all those subtle details. And edge contrast is pretty self explanatory, it determines whether the subject blends into the background or gets lifted off it, here micro contrast will help render those tiny details at the edges of the subject, before the DOF falls off completely and transits into the blur background. Lens design would help tremendously here, smooth or abrupt transition also contributes to whether things pop or blend with background.

End of analysis.

Nov 18, 2009 at 07:52 AM
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p.8 #2 · what is '3d' ?


You can see me in 3D - please tell me if one of those is 3D to your eyes.
I'll not enter the tech discussion cause I'm from Germany :-)

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Best, Georg

Nov 21, 2009 at 03:13 AM
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p.8 #3 · what is '3d' ?


IMO the frog has some 3D going on. The other two have a sense of depth, due to the many layers, but I don't see any 3D, i.e. nothing in there has that strong feeling of shape. The possibly minor exception would be the balloons.

Nov 21, 2009 at 05:23 PM
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p.8 #4 · what is '3d' ?


Thanks for coming back Carsten ! I understand you are linking 3D less to depth and more to a bodily appearance a.k.a. 'perception of roundness'.
I'd think so, too (like people's heads in portraits). One variable is the size of the image, and I think most pics look more 3D the bigger they are displayed.
BTW none of those pics have been pp'd but some are cropped. One is Zeiss East, one West, one Leica .-)
Best, Georg

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p.8 #5 · what is '3d' ?


Georg, what setup were those photos taken with? I would say that is very 3d to my old eyes.

Nov 21, 2009 at 07:51 PM
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p.8 #6 · what is '3d' ?


Thanks Espresso, as I said no pp at all, the red tree has had a polarizer though.

In general I'd say you have a very good chance with good lights (-angles), nailing the exposure and the focus as well - the other part of the equation is a lens that does excel in the micro-contrast department (MTF>50). Those are more demanding so you really gotta nail the rest.

Best, Georg

Nov 21, 2009 at 07:58 PM
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p.8 #7 · what is '3d' ?


here is my version of 3D with a 50L

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Nov 22, 2009 at 04:53 AM
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p.8 #8 · what is '3d' ?


Oly 28mm 3.5 @ 3.5 1/10 (1D MK II N RAW + PP Sharpening)
2.9 D ??


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Dec 23, 2009 at 03:00 AM
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p.8 #9 · what is '3d' ?


Definitely! Glad to see others are finding 3D Zuikos

Dec 23, 2009 at 05:40 PM
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p.8 #10 · what is '3d' ?


Hmmm...

Is this 3D?












Dec 23, 2009 at 06:54 PM
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3D?















Dec 30, 2009 at 02:01 PM
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p.8 #12 · what is '3d' ?


I guess not then.

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Dec 31, 2009 at 09:47 AM
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p.8 #13 · what is '3d' ?


I get a feeling of depth in those two images, but no real feeling of 3D, i.e. form. I think in the second one, the depth of field is actually too shallow to lend a 3D feeling to the objects in the scene!

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p.8 #14 · what is '3d' ?


carstenw wrote:
I get a feeling of depth in those two images


+1 ... which is still a good thing

Probably hapens to many of us ... striving for 3D, obtaining depth. Sometimes, I think of it as 2.9D ... I'm getting there, but I didn't quite make it THIS time.

Keep Shooting.

Dec 31, 2009 at 03:11 PM
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p.8 #15 · what is '3d' ?


Check out the latest Toyota commercials on TV. Its the selective focus, typically in plane with the main subject that makes it pop.

Dec 31, 2009 at 03:22 PM
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p.8 #16 · what is '3d' ?


I'm new at this image upload at Fred Miranda....





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p.8 #17 · what is '3d' ?


Depp wrote:
I'm new at this image upload at Fred Miranda....



and it shows

Dec 31, 2009 at 05:24 PM
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p.8 #18 · what is '3d' ?


Depp: they are beautiful. It is however not very 3d to me. Many flash photo's have a sort of layer effect, and these do too, but it is not convincingly 3d to me (perhaps because of the layer effect).

Second photo seems to be suffering from a harsh ND filter, am I right? Love the first photo completely btw

Dec 31, 2009 at 06:33 PM
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p.8 #19 · what is '3d' ?



Obviously the lighting can give a layered effect,but the sun light on the water comes into play as much as the lighting.

A good eye there....the sun wasn't low enough yet,I can't recall if it was a .6 or .9 ND filter.

Not looking at the model,I would say the images are very three dimensional because of the sun light on the bow and the stern wakes give a very realistic effect,especially the second one....to my eye,I like the second shot better for 3d effect,but I like her pose in the first image much more.

Even though the image is somewhat cool...I find the color saturation of the model and her skin pleasing and add to the overall effect.

Boomer Depp

Dec 31, 2009 at 07:40 PM
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p.8 #20 · what is '3d' ?


I've been looking in on this thread because I've observed a 3-D effect in photographs which I have always attributed to certain cameras / lenses -- I'm expecting to find an answer here .

I see it somewhat like Georg described -- a roundness to objects. His samples have the look to me. I don't think it correlates to things like selective focus which seem to represent another view of what the 3-D effect is, judging from examples posted.

Here's my contribution. The photo has no selective focus, pretty flat lighting, very little texture, but it has a strong 3-D look on my monitor. Of course, I'm prepared to hear comments to the contrary.



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Jan 01, 2010 at 12:17 AM
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p.8 #21 · what is '3d' ?


Rob Riley wrote:
Depp wrote:
I'm new at this image upload at Fred Miranda....



and it shows


-but clearly not new to photography. I LOVE that first pic.

Not super 3D to me, though. She almost looks photoshopped onto the background.

Jan 01, 2010 at 01:39 AM
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p.8 #22 · what is '3d' ?


I LOVE that first pic.

+1 ... a little resize & crop for easier viewing, any improvement in 3D ??
(Wrap, rope, bit, ??)

Depp ... what camera / lens, tech spec etc.



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p.8 #23 · what is '3d' ?


I think this one qualifies...



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5D2 + Samyang 85/1.4 @ f/2

Jan 01, 2010 at 01:53 AM
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p.8 #24 · what is '3d' ?


Some may found 3Dness to these images, some may not. They have more 3D pop when viewed larger. All 3 are taken with different lens.

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Jan 10, 2010 at 09:08 AM
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p.8 #25 · what is '3d' ?


C/Y Makro Planar 85















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