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p.7 #1 · what is '3d' ?


So, Sam and musclepics, do you have some examples?

Nov 07, 2009 at 08:33 PM
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I think this one is 3D: http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/597185/225#7744808

Nov 07, 2009 at 08:43 PM
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p.7 #3 · what is '3d' ?


I see a bit around the middle of the shoe, but in general I think this photo shows more of a Leica-typical boke than Zeiss, i.e. subject isolation and less detail in the boke.

Nov 07, 2009 at 09:14 PM
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For me, 3D isn't only about shallow DOF but about finding something in the picture that helps relate to distance. Here, at f/2 (135L, not Alt sorry), the front and back OOF seems to help that 3D feeling. So, more than magic driven from German engineers, composition might have something to do w/ it.



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Nov 10, 2009 at 01:42 PM
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musclepics wrote:
Sam N wrote:
It's mostly down to DOF, lighting, textures, and subject distance vs. background distance.

It actually doesn't have too much to do with the lens, though some would like to think that it does.

Don't buy in to all the hype.

I agree totally.


I totally disagree (regarding doesn't have much to do with lens).

I agree that other elements contribute to perspective, but without the lens' ability to resolve the gradient changes as the light 'wraps' around its subjects ... you'll NEVER get it. Does it have to be Zeiss lens, certainly not, but it must have the ability to resolve minute variance (forgive the technically challenged) ... otherwise, you should be able to get as much a 3-D from a coke bottle as you do a microscope.

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Canon 28-135 @ 80 mm f8


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Zeiss 80-200 @ 80mm f8


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Nov 10, 2009 at 01:57 PM
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AlexTokyo wrote:
For me, 3D isn't only about shallow DOF but about finding something in the picture that helps relate to distance. Here, at f/2 (135L, not Alt sorry), the front and back OOF seems to help that 3D feeling. So, more than magic driven from German engineers, composition might have something to do w/ it.



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Wow, just like looking into a "diorama". I hope it's the correct word for it, I had to use google to translate the Dutch word "kijkdoos".

Nov 10, 2009 at 02:04 PM
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AlexTokyo wrote:
For me, 3D isn't only about shallow DOF but about finding something in the picture that helps relate to distance. Here, at f/2 (135L, not Alt sorry), the front and back OOF seems to help that 3D feeling. So, more than magic driven from German engineers, composition might have something to do w/ it.



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Is there additional selective blurring via post processing in this image to increase the illusion? It certainly does not look like a 'straight' photograph.

Nov 10, 2009 at 02:12 PM
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AlexTokyo, nice shot ... with a nice lens.

Nov 10, 2009 at 02:32 PM
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Tariq Gibran wrote:
AlexTokyo wrote:
For me, 3D isn't only about shallow DOF but about finding something in the picture that helps relate to distance. Here, at f/2 (135L, not Alt sorry), the front and back OOF seems to help that 3D feeling. So, more than magic driven from German engineers, composition might have something to do w/ it.



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Is there additional selective blurring via post processing in this image to increase the illusion? It certainly does not look like a 'straight' photograph.


Absolutely no post processing (not even sharpening BTW) on this pic. 135L on the raw.

Nov 10, 2009 at 02:41 PM
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Is this 3D or just microcontrast? Either way, I think it has pop.








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Tariq Gibran wrote:
Is there additional selective blurring via post processing in this image to increase the illusion? It certainly does not look like a 'straight' photograph.

That's because the persons in the front are much closer to the camera than the rest of the scene, even the corn on the right is much further away. Normally you see a gradient of objects in focus to objects out of focus, but now it's an OOF object (persons in front) "on top of" an in focus object (corn).

Nov 10, 2009 at 03:03 PM
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AlexTokyo wrote:
Tariq Gibran wrote:
AlexTokyo wrote:
For me, 3D isn't only about shallow DOF but about finding something in the picture that helps relate to distance. Here, at f/2 (135L, not Alt sorry), the front and back OOF seems to help that 3D feeling. So, more than magic driven from German engineers, composition might have something to do w/ it.



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Is there additional selective blurring via post processing in this image to increase the illusion? It certainly does not look like a 'straight' photograph.


Absolutely no post processing (not even sharpening BTW) on this pic. 135L on the raw.


That is pretty amazing! Great photograph.

Nov 10, 2009 at 03:27 PM
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U.C. wrote:
Tariq Gibran wrote:
Is there additional selective blurring via post processing in this image to increase the illusion? It certainly does not look like a 'straight' photograph.

That's because the persons in the front are much closer to the camera than the rest of the scene, even the corn on the right is much further away. Normally you see a gradient of objects in focus to objects out of focus, but now it's an OOF object (persons in front) "on top of" an in focus object (corn).


Yes, I realized the compression effect of using the telephoto lens wide open was doing this but did not believe it could be to the extent that is evident in the image.
Pretty impressive. The effect somewhat mimics post production techniques such as can be seen here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brgJHkqkdcY

Nov 10, 2009 at 03:30 PM
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While I think many lenses can render and many scenes can support a 3D look, it is neither a straight up property of a lens that all shots will be 3D in appearance nor is it possible to get every scene to look that way.

From what I have seen, there are several factors that can help enhance a 3D look (most mentioned already). More than one of the items must come together to make it work, but you can get varying degrees of 3D in the absence of the full list...

Sharp focus
Shallow DOF
Side lighting
Color or tonal separation of subject and background
Sharp gradient of focus (not necessarily same as shallow DOF)
Environmental cues (lines enhancing perspective)

Simple shallow DOF is not sufficient, if it were then all macro shots would look 3D when in fact very few ever do. The following closeup shot though snags some light, focus gradient and color to pop a few of the buds and stamen into a 3D look. Notice how even different parts of the flower in the same focal plane vary in apparent 3D-ness depending on what is behind them in terms of color and light.

In the second example, one could argue that there is very little difference in focus or even that it does not particularly have shallow DOF, but the boy is still coming out of the image some.

In the can example, clearly not attractive, both the can and weeds appear more 3D, but for different reasons. The weeds are a cheat with shallow DOF and light alone. The can exploits the angle and lighting while mostly being in focus.

At least that is how my eyes see these. Others will certainly differ.
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Nov 10, 2009 at 04:06 PM
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Anden wrote:
Glad someone else is seeing it too!

It was just a quick test shot from the other day. Walked by a local photo shop that had a used one for sale at a good price. Could not resist and the 3D is a bonus...'

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Congrats Andreas. I've always really liked my EF 50/2.5 CM. Although, it might be on shaky ground now that I have a possible replacement on the way ;-) All a part of my down-sizing, bang-for-buck plan.

Nov 10, 2009 at 04:23 PM
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Nov 10, 2009 at 07:10 PM
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AlexTokyo wrote:
For me, 3D isn't only about shallow DOF but about finding something in the picture that helps relate to distance. Here, at f/2 (135L, not Alt sorry), the front and back OOF seems to help that 3D feeling. So, more than magic driven from German engineers, composition might have something to do w/ it.



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Excellent 3D sample!

Nov 10, 2009 at 07:13 PM
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rachp wrote:
Is this 3D or just microcontrast? Either way, I think it has pop.




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Sorry but it does'nt.


Nov 10, 2009 at 07:16 PM
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