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Mr. Malik wrote:
Cheers for bringing up this point...
We do have to remember though that sometimes CC can and must be harsh in order to get the point across and direct the person the right way. If we are all too friendly and "thoughtful" we may begin to refrain from providing honest.
dpun, I totally agree with your sentiments. I guess we all have to start somewhere though right. Education is free these days, especially if your resourceful. And as far as competition goes, I guess it is up to the photographer to stay ahead of the competition. How much weddings can a photog shoot in a year anyway.... sometimes you kind of need to hand over business to someone else because you get swamped or overbooked right?
Another thing to take into context is the entire notion of Post Processing...
I mean surely money can buy the latest gear and surely the marketing will go a long way, but what you do after you have snapped the images really defines who you are. I think Hoffer is prime example of that. We all know by know that he uses L glass on Canon Bodies, but its his post processing work that really differentiates his work from the rest. To that effect, I say welcome the noobs. If they are passionate enough to excel at this and create a business out of it, good luck to them. If they do it strictly for the money, then I guess it will show in their work.
In this business I think Passion is everything. I may not have been in the business too long, but I have been around photogs and I can see who does the work with passion and who shoots to pay the bills.
Anyways, I think this is a great thread. I just wanted to ad my two cents as I am very passionate about the issue as a whole.
Btw........
If not FM, then the lurkers will go to other forums.... this cannot be stopped so there is no point in getting vexed over it. I say embrace this sticky situation and just be your A game at all times.
Cheers.
=D
+100
Also, it should be noted that all the experts here were noobs at some point (nobody is born with a camera in hand... well except Hoff and Ed)  and were seeking advice (maybe not here, but other mediums) and were lucky/grateful when they received.
True , it is hard to separate the noobs that just want the quick and dirty advice without putting in the work from others that truly want to get better... it is a tough balance but it should be done with civility... you never know when the next "{put your favorite tog's name here}" will erupt into the scene.
It probably should be added to the sticky thread at the begin of the forum something about "what to expect from your first CC" perhaps:
* If nobody comments on it... you should go back and look into other first posters that got comments and see the quality of their image and compare to yours. This will set your starting point bar... Sorry you didn't get specific feedback but actually... you did get it (implicit).
* Star photogs in this thread are busy and get lots of requests... they usually wont CC your stuff until you show some "proven record" and provide something back to the FM community via post, answers, etc. It is what it is... use the advice of the kind people that did offer and set this as yet another goal to attain.
* Lurk a bit before posting (see first point). It will also show you (if/when you get advice) from who is worth listening to.. perhaps the photog that ALWAYS YELLS to MAKE A POINT might come as harsh but the intentions are good... perhaps not.... its up to you to decide.
* Wear a thick skin... without being uncivil.
Miguel
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