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p.1 #1 · 1D4 better than a D3S?

I just want to run a poll because of he mixed reaction I am seeing about the specifications. Why did Nikon price their D3S/D3 so high it gave Canon incentive to jack up prices.

Oct 20, 2009 at 10:18 AM

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p.1 #2 · 1D4 better than a D3S?

I think we need to see some results first. It's certainly a solid contender, and if Canon got the AF and high-ISO capabilities right, it'll be a great competitor.

Perhaps it depends on which brand of lenses you own.

Oct 20, 2009 at 10:40 AM

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p.1 #3 · 1D4 better than a D3S?

Fully agree with Tom.

Too early to tell.
We need to see high iso samples, reports of AF performance, etc.

Still wish they had gonne full frame though...

Oct 20, 2009 at 11:01 AM

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p.1 #4 · 1D4 better than a D3S?

Hang on, just let me pull my imaginary 1D4 out of my pocket and I'll tell you

Oct 20, 2009 at 11:03 AM

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p.1 #5 · 1D4 better than a D3S?

Whoa. wait till someone gets there hands on the cameras first
tim

Oct 20, 2009 at 11:10 AM

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p.1 #6 · 1D4 better than a D3S?

interesting that rob galbraith mentions an "eye-popping top ISO of 102,400" in the D3s, where when canon does this, it's simply a "top ISO of..."

don't give canon any credit there...

Oct 20, 2009 at 11:15 AM

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p.1 #7 · 1D4 better than a D3S?

I hate to say it (I really really do), but I think that Nikon has the edge in terms of specs. here. I find it difficult to see the point in the 1.3x sensor when Nikon provide all options in the same camera (FF + Croped sensor for 1.6x lenses). Only if resolution - both in still and video - is an issue the Canon has the edge in my opinion. Now this is only down to specs. - time will show how they compare in real life.

Oct 20, 2009 at 11:27 AM

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p.1 #8 · 1D4 better than a D3S?

That butterfly shot at the canon Japan website taken at ISO 3200 seems exceptionally clean...

Oct 20, 2009 at 12:14 PM

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p.1 #9 · 1D4 better than a D3S?

That is a tough choice. If you use wideangles then the "s" is needed. They will probably be around the same price point in the used market next year. I'm thinking maybe two of each would be a good move, at least until the 1Ds MK IV arrives. The $64,000 question is whether it will have a improved frame rate or deeper buffer, which are limitations of the s series.

EBH

Oct 20, 2009 at 12:19 PM

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p.1 #10 · 1D4 better than a D3S?

Doubt the iso performance will be as good as the D3s. Canon is good, but you can only get so much out of a smaller sensor.

Oct 20, 2009 at 12:28 PM

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p.1 #11 · 1D4 better than a D3S?

I have been a pretty harsh critic of Canon during my 1DMkIII woes but I don't think that there is enough of a difference between the two bodies to either declare one the winner or to care to much about the issue. At this point and at this level you are buying one brand over another for very particular reasons and you know what you need to do your job. In some cases it may be Canon and in others, Nikon.

Oct 20, 2009 at 12:52 PM

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p.1 #12 · 1D4 better than a D3S?

Why do this poll before it's even been used by anyone?

Oct 20, 2009 at 01:04 PM

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p.1 #13 · 1D4 better than a D3S?

And why such a dumb choice of choices? Can we add "dumb poll" to the list of options so I can participate?

The specs are there ... do you need us to tell you if they suit you?

Oct 20, 2009 at 01:20 PM

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p.1 #14 · 1D4 better than a D3S?

Pavel wrote:
And why such a dumb choice of choices? Can we add "dumb poll" to the list of options so I can participate?

The specs are there ... do you need us to tell you if they suit you?

+10

Oct 20, 2009 at 01:29 PM

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p.1 #15 · 1D4 better than a D3S?

Tim Ashton wrote:
Whoa. wait till someone gets there hands on the cameras first
tim

+1,000,000. Oh heck, let's make it about a billion shall we...

Everyone is wetting themselves over specs.. Let's be serious; how well did that work witth the 1D3 again exactly? As someone that bought two, I can say it didn't work very well at all so let's wait and see how good the camera is before we pronounce Canon as the winner....

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News flash - Anyone that thinks Sony is standing still is just plain nuts.. Sony and Nikon will release more cameras that will have everything Canon is offering and more, in a shorter time frame than Canon's 3 year cycle. I would expect Nikon to release the D4 by Fall 2010 at the latest, surpassing Canon yet again. Canon is playing catch up now; they are no longer market leaders...

Oct 20, 2009 at 01:35 PM

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p.1 #16 · 1D4 better than a D3S?

jamesf99 wrote:
Canon is playing catch up now; they are no longer market leaders...

No they are not, and that to me is a fantastic thing! Good for Nikon and Sony (if the Sony rumours are true) for making Canon take note that they are not invincible and need to do more to keep their customers.

If I were starting over and in the market for a hig-end set up, the cheaper D3s would be very very appealing.

Oct 20, 2009 at 01:39 PM

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p.1 #17 · 1D4 better than a D3S?

Yes, it's better. Why? Because it'll shoot my Canon lenses.

Honestly, I think that within the last year or two, Nikon has finally "closed the gap" with Canon, at least when it comes to high ISO.

Oct 20, 2009 at 02:24 PM

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p.1 #18 · 1D4 better than a D3S?

dumb poll? why is it assumed that the gear forum is this great academic knowledge exchange?

Oct 20, 2009 at 02:28 PM

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p.1 #19 · 1D4 better than a D3S?

Great... another 1D4 poll... Then again, the polls are more exciting than the cam itself

Oct 20, 2009 at 03:41 PM

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p.1 #20 · 1D4 better than a D3S?

DavidP wrote:
Honestly, I think that within the last year or two, Nikon has finally "closed the gap" with Canon, at least when it comes to high ISO.

Closed the gap, coasted alongside, and then raced ahead.

Oct 20, 2009 at 03:59 PM

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p.1 #21 · 1D4 better than a D3S?

Only the wizard knows, wait he may not have either camera either, darn.

Dave

Oct 20, 2009 at 04:05 PM

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p.1 #22 · 1D4 better than a D3S?

You have a good point about the prices for sure:

http://mortenbyskov.blogspot.com/2009/10/canon-eos-1-mark-iv-is-here.html

Oct 20, 2009 at 04:38 PM

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p.1 #23 · 1D4 better than a D3S?

Adam L wrote:
DavidP wrote:
Honestly, I think that within the last year or two, Nikon has finally "closed the gap" with Canon, at least when it comes to high ISO.

Closed the gap, coasted alongside, and then raced ahead.

Not in APS-C anymore, after the 7D. Easily the lowest noise sub-frame camera in this format when accounting for differences in resolution.

And even on full frame, the 5D2 arguably produces results that match the D700/D3 when resized for a common magnification.

Oct 20, 2009 at 04:43 PM

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p.1 #24 · 1D4 better than a D3S?

Adam L wrote:
DavidP wrote:
Honestly, I think that within the last year or two, Nikon has finally "closed the gap" with Canon, at least when it comes to high ISO.

Closed the gap, coasted alongside, and then raced ahead.

Elaborate, please? Canon's offerings are in a different niche than Nikon's but are no less good. Nikon has a compact full frame pro-AF camera, and Canon doesn't. But Canon has a high resolution compact full frame camera, and Nikon doesn't. Both have excellent high MP pro level bodies, and both have great sports bodies. Nikon's sports body is full frame, but lower in resolution, especially when considering cropping ability, while Canon's is 1.3x, but with much higher pixel density for greater detail at a distance and with shorter lenses. Frankly, for sports and PJ, I'd rather have Canon's approach.

The 7D is every bit as good, and IMO a bit better than the D300s. So where, exactly, is this 'racing' ahead?

Oct 20, 2009 at 04:45 PM

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p.1 #25 · 1D4 better than a D3S?

Lol, on all Canon forums, the instant you put in a comment that goes against the grain, people get their back up. I suppose that's true for everything in life - not many people are impartial.

The D3 is the king of low light. If you argue otherwise, you're wrong. Full stop.
Now if you want to compare unreleased cameras, let's look at the D3s ISO 102k vs the Mk IVs.
The samples are out there.

Oct 20, 2009 at 05:56 PM


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