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p.9 #1 · Canon 1DMK IV

FretNoMore wrote:
My guess is that those will mainly end up as store demos, maybe that's why Canon sends out an initial small number.

No way. It's a high ticket item. They will sell it if they can, not keep it on the shelves.

Dec 19, 2009 at 10:16 AM

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The two stores I buy from have in the past kept the first camera as a demo - believe me, I tried to talk them into selling it to me

- it was true for both the Mark II and III. They need something to show their customers, and to let the staff get to know the product.

I'm sure it differs from place to place, and size of store. These stores sell a lot of cameras.

Dec 19, 2009 at 10:24 AM

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Those two stores are bizarre. That doesn't make sense at all until there's more stock to be able to use one as a demo.

Rule number one: don't piss off your customers. If 5 people have pre-ordered, you get 5 cameras and keep one as a demo, your fifth customer is going to get the sh1ts.

Dec 19, 2009 at 10:36 AM

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Well, I didn't "get the sh1ts", I think it's perfectly logical.

Dec 19, 2009 at 10:45 AM

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Adam L wrote:
Right I've spoken to the two other stores I've preordered from (I'm at no.1 at both of them) and the first one said

: No real word from Canon. Possibility of getting them before Christmas, but they think it unlikely

The second one said

: They were expecting a small number yesterday but nothing turned up. Now they expect delivery for Wednesday.

No1 at two different stores?? I'd say you've got a better chance that I have of seeing one next week. Oh, and if I were 5th on the list and my dealer received 5 but kept one as a demo I'd be more than a little pi$$ed off.

Dec 19, 2009 at 10:04 PM

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Neither of those stores are Canon Pro dealers though Pierre like the other one we are both with, so the chances are they are not high up on the food chain!

Dec 20, 2009 at 12:26 PM

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A store in Aus is telling me GBP eqiv of 3.4k, shipping next week or if it's a smaller batch, mid Jan.
hmmmmmmm

Considering I'm moving there in the new year, that might be a good option.

Warranty!!

Dec 20, 2009 at 01:16 PM

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Adam L wrote:
A store in Aus is telling me GBP eqiv of 3.4k, shipping next week or if it's a smaller batch, mid Jan.
hmmmmmmm

Considering I'm moving there in the new year, that might be a good option.

Warranty!!

That's tempting.

Who needs a warranty anyway, what can go wrong??

Dec 20, 2009 at 02:05 PM

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p.9 #9 · Canon 1DMK IV

1D4 whole range ISO samples: http://www.flickr.com/photos/despeaux/sets/72157622915564702/show/with/4151395744/

Dec 21, 2009 at 03:08 AM

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p.9 #10 · Canon 1DMK IV

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1D4 whole range ISO samples: http://www.flickr.com/photos/despeaux/sets/72157622915564702/show/with/4151395744/

If this is straight out of the camera without any NR, am impressed !

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Dec 21, 2009 at 07:05 AM

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12800 looks more usable than 6400 on the 7D. Wow. I think we have seen some lovely jumps in sensor performance with this last round of canons. can't wait to see what the next full frame sensor ends up being capable of.

Dec 21, 2009 at 07:46 AM

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Velu01 wrote:
mttran wrote:
1D4 whole range ISO samples: http://www.flickr.com/photos/despeaux/sets/72157622915564702/show/with/4151395744/

If this is straight out of the camera without any NR, am impressed !

Rgds
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just a messenger from dpr, don't know story behind it. 1d4 iso profile seems much better than any current canon/nikon bodies

Dec 21, 2009 at 09:16 AM

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just a messenger from dpr, don't know story behind it. 1d4 iso profile seems much better than any current canon/nikon bodies

I'd be surprised and very impressed if the 1D4's noise is lower than the FF Nikons, I don't think it can be. There will be plenty of testing and arguing about I'm sure. It doesn't matter either way though, unless Nikon puts an EF lens mount on the D3s, makes it 16 Mpixels and 1.3x.

Can't wait to get my 1D Mark IV.

Dec 21, 2009 at 09:56 AM

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mttran wrote:
just a messenger from dpr, don't know story behind it. 1d4 iso profile seems much better than any current canon/nikon bodies

Can't wait to get my 1D Mark IV.

Just look at the full size shadow at 100iso - it is so clean like d3x - 5d2 failed badly on this test: http://www.flickr.com/photos/despeaux/4151396468/sizes/o/

Dec 21, 2009 at 10:17 AM

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FretNoMore wrote:
I'd be surprised and very impressed if the 1D4's noise is lower than the FF Nikons, I don't think it can be.

I hope you don't think it can be because of the "FF produces lower noise than APS" thing do you?
Because it's not as straight forward as that. All things being equal, maybe that'd be true. But all things are NOT equal. A crop sensor CAN produce less noise than a FF sensor.
Technology changes.

Dec 21, 2009 at 10:41 AM

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Technology changes, but when comparing cameras of the same generation larger pixels tend to win in the noise department. I'll happily be wrong in this case though.

Dec 21, 2009 at 10:49 AM

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FretNoMore wrote:
Technology changes, but when comparing cameras of the same generation larger pixels tend to win in the noise department. I'll happily be wrong in this case though.

Not necessarily true. You mentioned same generation, not same manufacturer.

Anyway, I am curious if the 1D4 can match the D3s for high ISO performance. It doesn't have to be better... it's darn impressive if they can equalize them already.

Dec 21, 2009 at 11:40 AM

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Adam L wrote:
Right I've spoken to the two other stores I've preordered from (I'm at no.1 at both of them) and the first one said

: No real word from Canon. Possibility of getting them before Christmas, but they think it unlikely

The second one said

: They were expecting a small number yesterday but nothing turned up. Now they expect delivery for Wednesday.

No1 at two different stores?? I'd say you've got a better chance that I have of seeing one next week. Oh, and if I were 5th on the list and my dealer received 5 but kept one as a demo I'd be more than a little pi$$ed off.

This morning's update is not good news:

No MkIV's will be shipped before Christmas and my dealer is closed until the 4th of January so it looks like I'll be waiting until 2010. Others may be luckier if their dealers remain open between Christmas & New Year.

Dec 21, 2009 at 11:44 AM

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balls!!!!

Dec 21, 2009 at 12:08 PM

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Yep, Pierre. Just got a call from them too. They said they got a call from Canon, who have small numbers in stock in the UK, but are now NOT going to ship until after Christmas when they have larger quantities. Considering a lot of the independent camera stores will be closed over Christmas and NY, that means only the big e-tailers might be able to fill orders (Jessops, Jacobs, Amazon) before the New Year.

Me? Well that's the straw that broke the camel's back. I'm buying in Oz.
Probably going to be end of Jan, mid Feb now!

Dec 21, 2009 at 02:02 PM

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mttran wrote:
1D4 whole range ISO samples: http://www.flickr.com/photos/despeaux/sets/72157622915564702/show/with/4151395744/

Best if not viewed as a slide show. I saw and downloaded the higher ISO shots to compare. My rough guess - ISO 6400 looks about like ISO 3200 on my 5D2, 12,800 looks like the 5D2's 6400, and 25600 looks similar to the 5D2's 12800, but without the banding.

This is really good!

Dec 21, 2009 at 02:17 PM

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Personally the slow deliveries don't truly matter as I don't have any games or events planned until after new year anyway, it's a slow period this and next week. It just would have been fun to play with and explore the new camera, not least the video capability, during my days off over the holidays. I guess I'll have to settle for watching reruns on the TV instead.

Dec 21, 2009 at 02:20 PM

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Adam L wrote:
Yep, Pierre. Just got a call from them too. They said they got a call from Canon, who have small numbers in stock in the UK, but are now NOT going to ship until after Christmas when they have larger quantities. Considering a lot of the independent camera stores will be closed over Christmas and NY, that means only the big e-tailers might be able to fill orders (Jessops, Jacobs, Amazon) before the New Year.

Me? Well that's the straw that broke the camel's back. I'm buying in Oz.
Probably going to be end of Jan, mid Feb now!

As you're moving out there, that has to be your best bet especially as the price is so good.

Dec 21, 2009 at 02:23 PM

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p.9 #24 · Canon 1DMK IV

PierreB wrote:
Sean Bellay wrote:
I originally had the thumbs up from my wife but she just changed her mind!

I'm jealous of all you that are getting it.

That's bad news Sean.

I haven't told my wife & luckily the MkIV looks enough like the MkII it's replacing that it will never become an issue.

That worked for me. I replaced my 40D with a 7D a week ago and she still haven't noticed.

Happy shooting,
Yakim.

Dec 21, 2009 at 02:23 PM

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FretNoMore wrote:
Personally the slow deliveries don't truly matter as I don't have any games or events planned until after new year anyway, it's a slow period this and next week. It just would have been fun to play with and explore the new camera, not least the video capability, during my days off over the holidays. I guess I'll have to settle for watching reruns on the TV instead.

This was my plan too but I guess it's just going to be a week or so of Crimbo telly instead. That's actually not so bad as I've just taken delivery of a Samsung 8000 LED and it's a beauty. All I need now is a Sky HD box - anyone??

Dec 21, 2009 at 02:25 PM


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