droopy1592 wrote:
Reading fail Dave! That is not the case! Go back and read the thread please. Even if you want black frames with no light in manual mode and set your shutter speed at 1/500s it will still drop down to 4fps. And no, all digic 3 and 4 cameras do not do it. 40D and 50D don't do it, nor does the 1D mkiii.
again, so what?
does a 50D actually get more than 4 frames a second in focus in that lighting in ai servo?
even the horrible soccer field i shot at night didn't have lighting poor enough to drop it to 4fps
I'm a blind sports photographer. That is to say I am blind and I photograph sporting events, not that I'm sighted and shoot sporting events of blind people, that would be completely different.
Not to toot my own horn here, but I'm a big star amongst the blind sports fans because I really capture what it's like for us at these events.
D3s here I come...
Dan, love it. And for once, I'm not the one getting in trouble.
does a 50D actually get more than 4 frames a second in focus in that lighting in ai servo?
even the horrible soccer field i shot at night didn't have lighting poor enough to drop it to 4fps
yeah actually i have... A local night HS football game to be exact. To fight blur my shots were @ISO 6400 or greater and on the edges of the field i'd drop to 4fps.
droopy1592 wrote:
yeah actually i have... A local night HS football game to be exact. To fight blur my shots were @ISO 6400 or greater and on the edges of the field i'd drop to 4fps.
Thanks.
ok, well if you are ISO6400, f/2.8, 1/500th that is pretty extreme
but what makes you think it would produce anything close to 8fps of in focus pics in that lighting? maybe better to drop to 4 and get 2 or 3 in focus rather than 1 or 2?
I'm a blind sports photographer. That is to say I am blind and I photograph sporting events, not that I'm sighted and shoot sporting events of blind people, that would be completely different.
Not to toot my own horn here, but I'm a big star amongst the blind sports fans because I really capture what it's like for us at these events. Since my lenses are all far brighter than what I can actually see, I often shoot with the lens cap on to make it more realistic. Recently I was fortunate enough to get the opportunity to cover the Vancouver Olympics for Canada's Blind Sports Monthly. Here are some highlights...
I thought this camera was supposed to be 8FPS, but you can imagine my disappointment when I completely missed the action in Sidney's shot. Just look at how horrible it is with all those dropped frames. You can't even see the puck! He's just skating around in the first frame, then by frame four, everyone is cheering.
skibum5 wrote:
but what makes you think it would produce anything close to 8fps of in focus pics in that lighting? maybe better to drop to 4 and get 2 or 3 in focus rather than 1 or 2?
You are getting away from the problem at hand. You might be right, BUT we are not talking about technique. After all, the user can set 7D to shoot at low speed continuous shooting (3 fps). It's his choice, not Canon's.
ciprian.trofin wrote:
You are getting away from the problem at hand. You might be right, BUT we are not talking about technique. After all, the user can set 7D to shoot at low speed continuous shooting (3 fps). It's his choice, not Canon's.
well i guess you have a point so long as trigger vs. focus priority is set
I just tried this on my 7D in front of my Macbook Pro with lights off. I turned off all CF's and NR as described, set it to manual f4.5 1/800s. I left the cap on and I was at 4fps. I took the cap off and pointed the lens at the bright computer screen and I got 8fps. What interesting, is that I held down the shutter while getting 8fps on the screen, panned away it it slowed to 4fps. I panned back and it went back up to 8fps. All of this in the same continuous burst. Try it yourself. It slows down and speeds up as soon as I get to the edge of the screen from about 10" away. Weird.
I know that the 7D has a new viewfinder and that it is partially electronic. I'm guessing just the overlays, but could that be the problem and why we get 8fps in live view?? Sounds like a bug, so if they put it in the manual, then maybe they rushed the release a bit and planned to address it in FW??
I am getting 8fps in M mode and ai servo with canon battery in good lighting but drop a few frames when in poor lighting. When switch to flashpoint grip using AA tray, it drops to like 4-5fps in good lighting and really slow in poor lighting and goes for the same in manual focus. When in one shot focus, it will fires 8fps in good lighting and drops to 4-5fps in poor lighting. I know it does 8fps with AA batteries. I know it does 8fps in very good light in one shot focus with AA batteries. But, it doesn't do 8fps in ai servo with AA batteries. There are so many instances what this camera wouldn't fire at 8fps and the biggest is the lighting condition. Canon should come out with a firmware soon to fix this problem. It wouldn't do us good if it has good high iso but can't do high frame rate(for us machine gun shooters).
skibum5 wrote:
ok, well if you are ISO6400, f/2.8, 1/500th that is pretty extreme
but what makes you think it would produce anything close to 8fps of in focus pics in that lighting? maybe better to drop to 4 and get 2 or 3 in focus rather than 1 or 2?
does the 50D actually do well there??
Center point it does just fine. Dont know what all the fuss is about the 50D but I thought the center point rocked at focusing action. Pics might just be good at tiny sizes but it's still rapid fire. Did another football (church flag though) game with the 7D and got some slow down as the evening went on.
As the original poster, and an observer of the replies I have one thing to say.
Why do people need to impose their view that "it doesn't bother me, therefore it is not an issue, period."?
If it does bother someone, and they have a reason to not be happy with a degradation in performance that happens for no good reason, then it is a problem. This behavior in slower FPS because of light conditions in manual mode has no good reason to happen and actually it interferes with the use of the camera in certain circumstances. Canon has ignored the issue in two firmware updates now and I for one am not happy with that.
interesting thread. this is somewhat misleading in the sense that the camera is marketed as an 8 FPS camera, non? it's not marketed as a 4-8 FPS camera...
good luck with this, guys. hopefully you find a workaround or get a firmware upgrade.
OO7MIKE wrote:
TV mode = 8 fps in low light.
None of the other modes will let you obtain 8 fps in low light contitions.
I don't know about any one else but that's not the case on my 7D. I can not achieve any where near 8 fps in any thing other than bright light in any mode. The other thing I can't do is get my 7D to AF track the way Canon states that it will in all of their 7D promo videos on the Canon web site or at B+H. There's an awful lot I like about the 7D but there are a few things (IMO) that Canon stretched the truth on a bit. Any one can opine all they wan't about how a particular issue is not important to them but it hardly changes the fact that the camera really doesn't fully function as advertised. Add to that the constant firmware updates and it's not hard to understand why some are thinking about switching brand. I shot Nikon film a lot of years but I've been on board with Canon since going digital. I'd be lying if I said I haven't contemplated switching back a few times recently.
I want to thank the OP for calling to my attention a 7D "feature" that would affect my low light photography of dancers (I routinely use 6400/12800 ISO on my D3s and 125/sec/F2.8). I am suspicious that Canon, in their anxiety to "feature segment" their camera bodie line has added/omitted this and other "features" to the 7D to protect their 1D M IV market.
