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p.4 #1 · Zeiss look?

I remember a thread trying to define the "3D effect".

I think we have a complete, unrefutable demonstration here.... Nothing to add!

Some of us that considered selling their kidney, prostituting their child or rob a bank to get a Leica M9 may finally tread back to more moral paths, and just mug a granny to get a Distagon !

Oct 12, 2009 at 03:54 PM

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belsha wrote:Some of us that considered selling their kidney, prostituting their child or rob a bank to get a Leica M9 may finally tread back to more moral paths, and just mug a granny to get a Distagon !

LoL

Oct 12, 2009 at 04:04 PM

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p.4 #3 · Zeiss look?

When you add the cost of those Distagons to a few Planars and Sonnars, it is no laughing matter, trivuong!

Oct 12, 2009 at 04:08 PM

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p.4 #4 · Zeiss look?

belsha wrote:
I remember a thread trying to define the "3D effect".

I think we have a complete, unrefutable demonstration here.... Nothing to add!

Some of us that considered selling their kidney, prostituting their child or rob a bank to get a Leica M9 may finally tread back to more moral paths, and just mug a granny to get a Distagon !

Zeiss makes _really_ nice lenses for the M's too, don't forget. And as usual they are an order of magnitude cheaper than the Leica ones. If I could ever afford an M the first thing I would do is kit myself out with Zeiss ZM's (and Voigtlanders). You don't have to take flat-looking photos just because you use an M... ;-)

Oct 12, 2009 at 05:01 PM

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p.4 #5 · Zeiss look?

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You don't have to take flat-looking photos just because you use an M... ;-)

I thought about that too... But do the Biogon or ZM lenses have the same look as the Contax-Yashica ones? Are the Biogon and Distagon 21mm similar, for exemple?

Oct 12, 2009 at 05:30 PM

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The ZM Biogons have nothing in common with the Distagons in terms of optical designs, but they do use the same great coatings and presumably have a similar design philosophy in terms of which tradeoffs to make for the desired look / performance.

The ZM 35/2 is one of my favorite lenses. I haven't used the others, but the 25/2.8 is based on a medium format design and is reputedly extremely sharp.

One nice thing about the ZM line is that they offer multiple lenses at some focal lengths (21/2.8 and 21/4.5, 50/2 planar and 50/1.5 c-sonnar, 35/2 and smaller 35/2.8) without making one "worse" than the other. Canon could learn from this and make (for example) a smaller 35/2L to complement the 35L.

Oct 12, 2009 at 06:52 PM

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brainiac wrote:
Distagon 21:

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BTW, I shot this at the church in Fulham where the Omen was filmed. Who can find the ghost of Damian in the picture?

Oct 12, 2009 at 07:30 PM

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BTW, I shot this at the church in Fulham where the Omen was filmed. Who can find the ghost of Damian in the picture?

I know this one already

Oct 12, 2009 at 08:12 PM

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p.4 #9 · Zeiss look?

I'm sold on Zeiss and the beauty of micro-contrast and I currently own three lenses but I've noticed lousy distortion when using the 50mm Planar vertically on my 5D II and I'm wondering if anyone else has had the same experience?

Oct 12, 2009 at 08:50 PM

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p.4 #10 · Zeiss look?

Another "Zeiss look", with Contax 25mm.

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Oct 12, 2009 at 08:59 PM

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p.4 #11 · Zeiss look?

Wilfredo wrote:
I'm sold on Zeiss and the beauty of micro-contrast and I currently own three lenses but I've noticed lousy distortion when using the 50mm Planar vertically on my 5D II and I'm wondering if anyone else has had the same experience?

My Planar 50 is my go-to lens, and I use it vertically more often than not, also on a 5D2. If you can show an example of what bothers you, I will look through my files to see what I can find either way.

Oct 12, 2009 at 09:35 PM

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philber wrote:
Wilfredo wrote:
I'm sold on Zeiss and the beauty of micro-contrast and I currently own three lenses but I've noticed lousy distortion when using the 50mm Planar vertically on my 5D II and I'm wondering if anyone else has had the same experience?

My Planar 50 is my go-to lens, and I use it vertically more often than not, also on a 5D2. If you can show an example of what bothers you, I will look through my files to see what I can find either way.

Phil,

I'm not home right now, but I will post some examples later. Aside from that I love the lens and the truly 3D quality if offers.

Thanks!

Oct 12, 2009 at 10:41 PM

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brainiac wrote:
belsha wrote:
I remember a thread trying to define the "3D effect".

I think we have a complete, unrefutable demonstration here.... Nothing to add!

Some of us that considered selling their kidney, prostituting their child or rob a bank to get a Leica M9 may finally tread back to more moral paths, and just mug a granny to get a Distagon !

Zeiss makes _really_ nice lenses for the M's too, don't forget. And as usual they are an order of magnitude cheaper than the Leica ones. If I could ever afford an M the first thing I would do is kit myself out with Zeiss ZM's (and Voigtlanders). You don't have to take flat-looking photos just because you use an M... ;-)

I mentioned earlier that I have 3 Zeiss lenses, one of these is the 18mm Zeiss for the M which I use on my Leica M8, and love it.

Oct 12, 2009 at 10:43 PM

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brainiac wrote:
Haha - the Zeiss thread - awesome!

Here's the Contax 35 f1.4, apologies if you've seen it before...

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Definitely seen it before, it was the reason I stretched way beyond my budget to get a 35/1.4 Distagon!

No regrets at all its an astonishing lens. Even my girlfriend can tell a picture taken with it looks better - in my opinion that is the ultimate test of a lens's qualities. If average joe can notice a difference then the cost is far and away justified.

Oct 13, 2009 at 04:10 AM

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Infact Im going to put it on my camera right now and go take some meaningless pictures of boring things to satisfy my never ending urge to just use this lens

Oct 13, 2009 at 04:20 AM

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p.4 #16 · Zeiss look?

I am not sure your girlfriend will like you referring to her as an "average joe".

Enjoy the lens.

Oct 13, 2009 at 05:25 AM

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belsha wrote:
brainiac wrote:
You don't have to take flat-looking photos just because you use an M... ;-)

I thought about that too... But do the Biogon or ZM lenses have the same look as the Contax-Yashica ones? Are the Biogon and Distagon 21mm similar, for exemple?

Yes and no. The Biogons get closer in basic design to the Distagons as they get wider and faster. The 21/4.5 and 25 ZM's are the widest true Biogon designs, the 21/2.8 is really a combination between a Biogon and a Distagon and the 15 and 18 are actually Distagons (and are labelled as such).

And yes, the ZM's do get the Zeiss 'look'. Or 'looks' more appropriately, as the ZM 50/1.5 is an absolutely classic Sonnar design, with the unique signature that the Sonnar design brings which is somewhat different from the modern Zeiss look. However the 50/2 Planar and 35/2 Biogon probably show the classic Zeiss look more than any other lenses Zeiss currently makes.

Oct 13, 2009 at 01:47 PM

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p.4 #18 · Zeiss look?

Phil,

Here are a couple of shots. In the horizontal shot the distortion is not as obvious but it is there. Again, theses were done with the 50mm Planar, on a Canon 5D II.

Cheers,
Wilfredo

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Oct 13, 2009 at 03:00 PM

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p.4 #19 · Zeiss look?

Richard, why do your pics (and only your pics) come out looking like this on my monitor half the time? This is surely not the Zeiss look.

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Oct 13, 2009 at 03:28 PM

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p.4 #20 · Zeiss look?

StevenPA wrote:
Richard, why do your pics (and only your pics) come out looking like this on my monitor half the time? This is surely not the Zeiss look.

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Whoa! I don't really know. I can tell you that I use command line tools to generate lowrez jpegs for the web quite often, so it could be that my jpegs have encoding errors in them that your system is sensitive to. It could also be something to do with the way images are served from my server. I wonder if anyone else has had this problem...

Oct 13, 2009 at 06:16 PM

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p.4 #21 · Zeiss look?

brainiac wrote:
StevenPA wrote:
Richard, why do your pics (and only your pics) come out looking like this on my monitor half the time? This is surely not the Zeiss look.

I wonder if anyone else has had this problem...

Nope, it turned out well on mine.

CP

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Oct 13, 2009 at 06:20 PM

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Wilfredo wrote:
Here are a couple of shots. In the horizontal shot the distortion is not as obvious but it is there. Again, theses were done with the 50mm Planar, on a Canon 5D II.

I don't see distortion in these. I am sure you're not talking about converging verticals, which you will see in all lenses when shot upwards.

Oct 13, 2009 at 06:20 PM

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Richard, okay, was just wondering. Sometimes the images come in fine, other times not. Sometimes the same image comes in fine one day, but not the next (I clear my cache regularly for some web work I do). And sometimes the patterns are a lot funkier than what I screen-captured above, like with blocked sections rotated or mirrored. Weirrrrd... Anyway, back to the Zeiss look.

5D, C/Y 50/1.4

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Oct 13, 2009 at 06:48 PM

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Steven, very nice.....indeed.

Does this belong here?

with Contax N17-35

Oct 13, 2009 at 06:56 PM

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brainiac wrote:
Wilfredo wrote:
Here are a couple of shots. In the horizontal shot the distortion is not as obvious but it is there. Again, theses were done with the 50mm Planar, on a Canon 5D II.

I don't see distortion in these. I am sure you're not talking about converging verticals, which you will see in all lenses when shot upwards.

I suspect I am talking about "converging verticals." I did some tests this morning with no tilting of the camera and the shots were fine, when I tilt I start getting converging verticals. I had never made this connection before, but thanks for the clarification.

Do some lenses handle converging verticals better than others?

Oct 13, 2009 at 07:07 PM


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