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p.2 #1 · p.2 #1 · Leica 180/2.0 vs Nikon 200/2.0


Richard, don't tell me I have to buy a 200mm F1.8 as well as my 200mm F2.0?? I have a D3s on order and with an AIS 35mm F1.4 (yes that an "ALT" lens for Nikkon since the don't make it anymore) and ISO 128000 I can shoot a werewolf by moonlight.


Oct 18, 2009 at 02:18 AM
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JimU wrote:
how about contax zeiss 200/2.0 apo-sonnar? any sample shots?


I would have to dig them up, may never happen. Basically it's like the 200 f1.8 L in terms of colour, LoCA, contrast, 3D etc. except that the Canon is a lot sharper wide open.

Here are a couple that I remember off-hand were taken with the Apo-Sonnar:












Oct 18, 2009 at 02:25 AM
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SoundHound wrote:
Richard, don't tell me I have to buy a 200mm F1.8 as well as my 200mm F2.0?? I have a D3s on order and with an AIS 35mm F1.4 (yes that an "ALT" lens for Nikkon since the don't make it anymore) and ISO 128000 I can shoot a werewolf by moonlight.


Note the 35/1.4 AI-S is still in production, it's just a special order item outside Japan. A few AI-S lenses including the 35/1.4 and 50/1.2 remain current items.



Oct 18, 2009 at 02:31 AM
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mawz wrote:
Note the 35/1.4 AI-S is still in production, it's just a special order item outside Japan. A few AI-S lenses including the 35/1.4 and 50/1.2 remain current items.



That's correct. I recently purchased my Nikon 50mm f1.2 Ai-S brand new with Nikon USA warranty - a very nice lens and very impressive wide open. It gives the D700 new life for low light shooting

Since this is comparing the 180 and 200mm lenses, anyone use the Zeiss 200mm f2.0 - for the price, I am presuming it is rare and very good.

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Oct 18, 2009 at 03:04 AM
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JimU wrote:
how about contax zeiss 200/2.0 apo-sonnar? any sample shots?

The AS200 is a rare and overpriced beast, although very sharp. Its big flaw is horrible background bokeh, at least when wide open. I would use it more often regardless, but the "shark fin" prevents infinity focus on the Canon 1 series. One of these days I'll dump it and get something smoother: Canon 200/1.8L, 200/2L, Nikon 200/2 VR, Leica 'cron-R 200.



Oct 18, 2009 at 06:18 AM
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I loved the bokeh on my Apo Sonnar because it is accurate hard-edged bokeh (i.e. neutral, not harsh) instead of flabby soft bokeh like the Leica and Canon. It tells you much more about the background, and appears to give greater depth of field. However, my Apo Sonnar was much less sharp at f2 than the Canon 200 f1.8 is at f1.8:







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thanks for the comments and samples guys. i'm alittle surprised since other forums have little response or responses from people who've never had items that were being discussed and only speculate.

i've got a 200/2.8 and have been wondering what benefits in terms of DOF and bokeh 1 extra stop would give (i already know it'd be nice to have an extra stop for shutter speed in low light).

some lenses have their best bokeh 1 stop down, do all these (both canons, nikon, leica & zeiss) have the best bokeh WO?



Oct 18, 2009 at 08:33 PM
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p.2 #8 · p.2 #8 · Leica 180/2.0 vs Nikon 200/2.0


Won't that depend on what one is looking for in bokeh?


Oct 19, 2009 at 01:05 AM
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gasrocks wrote:
Won't that depend on what one is looking for in bokeh?

Exactamente. I prefer smooth, but the CZ AS200 has that quality in the foreground only. From an old test:





Example above is wide open at nearest focus, with two 1x-scale crops included.



Oct 19, 2009 at 05:00 AM
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The Canon 200 f2.8 is excellent. Although I have a 200 f1.8, I would really like to get a 200 f2.8 too. I keep the f1.8 because there are situations where that extra 1.3 stops is crucial, e.g. shooting evening speeches and people at dinner tables. But with high isos performing the way they do today, the size, weight, and cost of the 200 f2.8 are a big advantage. The 200's f2 are generally big and heavy and a pain to bring to a job. I leave mine at home whenever I can get away with it. I recently bought a 135 f2, for jobs abroad because I am tired of flying with the 200 f1.8 in my hand luggage, despite the pure magic it produces. Keep the 200 f2.8 and be happy. If you really need to push the boundaries of low light, then, and only then, in my opinion, is it worth getting one of these f2 beasts. And avoid the Contax, because it's not sharp enough wide open.


Oct 19, 2009 at 10:49 AM
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p.2 #11 · p.2 #11 · Leica 180/2.0 vs Nikon 200/2.0


thanks. your comments have been quite helpful.


Oct 19, 2009 at 03:42 PM
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p.2 #12 · p.2 #12 · Leica 180/2.0 vs Nikon 200/2.0


Yakim Peled wrote:
Do you refer to the Nikon 200/2 VR? If so, I'd certainly get this one. AF and VR are well worth it IMHO.

Happy shooting,
Yakim.


Just wondering how the latest Nikon compares to the Leica 180mm f/2 APO. I have a chance to purchase the Leica and am thinking of the differences. Anyone?



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