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Archive 2009 · Jumbing to Canon ?

kakomu
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p.3 #1 · Jumbing to Canon ?

lidesun wrote:
Where's the proof for your point? Can you show it to us ?

MSC wrote:
Agreed, show your own "proof" first and then, maybe, I'll spend a bunch of time putting together a case...will get right on it.

Sure, as soon as someone quantifies the difference in colors between the cameras, I'll get right on figuring out how to tweak the colors in Photoshop to get both images to look like the other. Until then, I'd be working blindly, which isn't conducive.

This is why I asked you to quantify what differences you see in somewhat scientific terms. For instance, colors do not "jump" or "pop" or whatever. Unless you tell me what you mean without undefined jargon, I can't work on it.

Sep 30, 2009 at 03:41 PM

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kakomu wrote:
Sure, as soon as someone quantifies the difference in colors between the cameras...

Quite easy to do. Basically you shoot a known color target (e.g. the Macbeth chart) and then look to see what RGB numbers your camera translates the known colors to.

You can look at DXOptics reviews of cameras for examples.

Kaa

Sep 30, 2009 at 03:50 PM

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p.3 #3 · Jumbing to Canon ?

KaaX wrote:
You can look at DXOptics reviews of cameras for examples.

Can you link me?

Sep 30, 2009 at 03:57 PM

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p.3 #4 · Jumbing to Canon ?

The colors are different from Nikon and Canon for sure, but if someone wants to challenge others to identify which image is produced by Canon or Nikon from images shot by Canon and Nikon from different scenes with different subject, lighting, color layout etc., is just a joke

Sep 30, 2009 at 04:05 PM

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p.3 #5 · Jumbing to Canon ?

kakomu wrote:
Can you link me?

www.dxomark.com

Kaa

Sep 30, 2009 at 04:08 PM

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p.3 #6 · Jumbing to Canon ?

brainiac wrote:
We've been together for 10 years. I commend Petkal and Doo-bop on their excellent taste...

Hey, I have good taste too! Y'all should herewith presume that when I compliment an image, there is usually an implicit admiration of the subject of the image. For example, these are two fantastic images posted to sing the praises of the 24-70L (hat tip to Jeremy):
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/817551/0#7569470
Richard, I think you already have your one - and everyone else, it appears that she's already taken.

Sep 30, 2009 at 04:10 PM

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brainiac wrote:
Thanks - but with a 5D2 and a 135L it's pretty easy to get pictures like that...

Well, more than the hardware's ability to render the image, I was noticing the composition and the way the color of the dress (along with the selective focus enabled by the hardware) helped draw our attention to the subject (in addition to her loveliness).

Then you went on to make your point about the location of the focus point nudging the composition away from what you would like to shoot - point well taken (pun really not intended), it happens to me often - although sometimes I need to keep the AF point plastered on the subject (e.g., young child) in AI servo mode as she persists in constant motion. Your subject here is a bit more serene than my usual subjects...

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Sep 30, 2009 at 04:18 PM

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p.3 #8 · Jumbing to Canon ?

IMHO it is much easier to get colors from my Nikon that pop then from my Canon. For my 1ds MK III I had to used DPP to process the RAW and then photoshop for everything else. With my Nikon I use NX2 with almost no editing. I hardly have a need for photoshop anymore.

Sep 30, 2009 at 04:19 PM

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p.3 #9 · Jumbing to Canon ?

WillWeb wrote:
I'm also a long lens shooter (birds), but I'm holding on to my 1D2. I'm comfortable that the 7D will be a great camera, but the expectations are just too high right now. Even if it does out-focus the 1D2 I'll still want two fast bodies for flexibility and backup.

I love my 1DII but I'm treating the 7D as a temporary solution until the 1DMkIV arrives & I'd like to get a reasonable trade in on the MkII while it still has some residual value. However, I'll wait until after a test drive before I make any decisions.

Sep 30, 2009 at 04:26 PM

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p.3 #10 · Jumbing to Canon ?

Canon/Nikon - both make great tools - just a matter of post work to enhance the DR colours

Nikon (jpg download from nikonwebsite)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2675/3969504509_ec44b10470_b.jpg
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http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2486/3969781769_cc9b051214_b.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3070/3970642207_3e978f3a0b_b.jpg

Canon ( jpg download from canonwebsite)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3530/3970562218_26ab2eda44_b.jpg
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http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3477/3970544042_ccd6c0f7db_b.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2600/3969805837_8e5542c646_b.jpg

Sep 30, 2009 at 05:15 PM

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p.3 #11 · Jumbing to Canon ?

brainiac wrote:
OK - I took your advice. All seems fine so far. ;-)
http://www.cyberphotographer.com/b/20070714richardandsophie/394.jpg

fantastic

Oct 01, 2009 at 07:55 AM

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p.3 #12 · Jumbing to Canon ?

Thanks to every one. I just really starting with Canon Gear. I will be going for 500mm f/4 after some time. Since I have Nikon 300 mm and 70-200 mm , I am going to get only the primes for Canon. This I will build up over a period of time. But 7D is only 18MP nad 5D MK II is 21MP. I am not only going to shoot wild life but I will be using it for Studio work also. Thanks for your openion on Canon gear and that nice and pretty lady .

Oct 02, 2009 at 02:31 AM

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p.3 #13 · Jumbing to Canon ?

brainiac wrote:
We've been together for 10 years. I commend Petkal and Doo-bop on their excellent taste...

Same to you. Ah, and what was the thread all about again

Oct 02, 2009 at 03:16 AM

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ntv369 wrote:
But 7D is only 18MP nad 5D MK II is 21MP.

In output (prints) that difference will be practically invisible. It is a tiny difference in resolution.

I am not only going to shoot wild life but I will be using it for Studio work also.

For studio the 5D2 probably has the edge, but the 7D has a _lot_ more reach when it comes to wildlife. You probably don't want to hear this but I do think you would be best advised to return the 5D2 in exchange for a 7D and 1.4x teleconvertor. The 7D will work fine in the studio, and will smack the 5D2 down for distant wildlife.

>Thanks for your openion on Canon gear and that nice and pretty lady.

Not you too.... ;-)

Oct 02, 2009 at 06:01 AM

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I'm wit% Braniac on this one. I do believe the 7D is for you. Difference between 18 and 21 megapixels is completely insignificant. Difference between 1.6 cropper and full frame is HUGE in terms of "pixels on target", and reach.

If my shooting were say, 10% action/sports/wildlife, and 90% everything else, then I'd say go for the 5DII.. But if the bird/wildlife/action/sports arena gets to approach 30 to 40%, it's the 7D all the way.

Sure there are guys that "can" get a good action shot with a 5D. But the limitions posed by slow focusing, slow frame rate, and small buffer, ensure that you'll be swimming against the current. A synopses of my feeling is this:

5DII will be slightly better than 7D for SOME things. Subjects that don't move, primarily. Better than the 7D? Yes, but only slightly. It is terrible for anything that moves.

7D is great at anything that moves, and very good at everything else. If splitting hairs, not AS good at certain things as the 5D, but still, very, very, good.

Some day you may well wind up with both cameras. If that is the case, consider this: 7D has leading edge technology. The 5D does not. In the 7D, there's a huge amount of new and better stuff ........better focusing, external flash control, better sensor technology, and dual Digic IV chips being just a few. Buy the 7D now, and you get leading edge technology. Buy the 5D now, and you're getting technology that will soon be replaced with the newer technology and features. Get the 7D now, and use it. You may find it so good for all your needs, that you'll never feel the need for FF. If, later on, you feel the need for FF, for whatever reason, you'll be getting a newer version of the 5D with all the newer technology.

Sure, the 5D is only a year old, and many think it's nowhere ready for an upgrade. But in light of the quantum leap in focusing, features, and technology of the 7D, the 5D is looking very sad in every area except for IQ. I think we'll be seeing an updated 5D way befor historical patterns predict. Thanks, in great part, to the competition from NIkon. So I'm with Braniac on this one - unless you'll be shooting strictly landscape or studio work, send the 5D back and get the 7D. You'll probably wind up with both anyway one day, the difference being you'll have a greatly updated 5D

Whew!!

Harvey

Oct 02, 2009 at 07:33 AM

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hfillmore wrote:
I'm wit% Braniac on this one. I do believe the 7D is for you. Difference between 18 and 21 megapixels is completely insignificant. Difference between 1.6 cropper and full frame is HUGE in terms of "pixels on target", and reach.

Reach is nothing to do with crop factor and everything to do with pixel pitch. It's a misconception to attribute reach to sensor size rather than sensel size. The 7D happens to have more reach, not because it's a crop, but because it is a crop AND it has nearly the same number of pixels as the 5D2, i.e. a much denser sensor. The 1Ds3 has more reach than the 1D3. Reach and crop are independent until a third factor (Mpixels) is specified.

>Sure there are guys that "can" get a good action shot with a 5D. But the limitions posed by slow focusing...

There are reports that the 5D2's central focus point is much better at holding focus on a moving subject against a contrasty background than the 7D (e.g. low flying birds, footballers and racing cars). They may, of course be due to unfamiliarity with the camera though.

Oct 02, 2009 at 07:38 AM

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p.3 #17 · Jumbing to Canon ?

hfillmore and brainiac , It is great insight for me. Thanks a lot for your kind suggestions. In India the 7D is yet to arrive, let me put my thought over this befor going for the 5D MK II.

Oct 05, 2009 at 08:42 AM

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hfillmore wrote:
Sure there are guys that "can" get a good action shot with a 5D. But the limitions posed by slow focusing...Harvey

Agree with most of what Harvey wrote here, but it's really a myth that 5D2 has "slow" focusing. AI Servo tracking using center-point AF with assist points active is very accurate and speed is a good match with anything the camera can shoot at 4fps. I've posted examples here as have many others; just do a search to find them.

5D2 focusing is fantastic if you are a center-point shooter. It's only real limitations are the outer AF points which are not cross-type and hunt in low contrast or low light situations. For some this is a deal-breaker, and I can respect that. For me it's not a limitation for much of what I shoot, and I like the abiltiy to use the S-type screen with fast primes.

The 7D is still the much better action camera, no disputing that at all. I feel it is turning out also to be great at most everything else too, which is a surprise.

Oct 05, 2009 at 11:24 AM

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Hi Garyvot , I shoot mostly (99%) with Spot metering. So this focusing issue may not be a problem for me, I don't need faster frame rate. All I need is the the color separation that Canon gives which I am not able to get it from Nikon. But I will continue to use my D300 and best Nikor lens . Thanks

Oct 06, 2009 at 05:39 AM

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