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Thanks Todd. THe shots look great!!

I actually prefer a detachable disc as it stores and transports better in a sense that you can put something else inside the BD (be it a smaller modifier or a reflector) without worrying about bending the disc. I would also think that Paul can manufacture different kinds of disc to mimic a variety of color temperature - very similar to Elinchrom).

Is this thing heavy??


it is pretty light. all aluminum

the removeable piece is growing on me and it is super easy to use it seemed like a extra step but it is so minimal i may end up liking it that way


how far in should it go?


Up fairly close to the modeling lamp - about 1/2 to 1". The closer it is the less spill. But don't put it so close that it shadows the outer edges of the dish.


Sep 22, 2009 at 07:17 PM
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Hey guys.. Sorry if this has been already answered. But I'm very interested in the new High Output BD. What F-stop can you push @ ISO 100 w/ 640ws at full power? With the sock & w/o the sock at 10feet?

Paul... any word on the new high out put reflectors? What F-stop will those likely push @ 640ws? How will they compare to the regular reflectors & long throws F-stop wise?

thanks,

-Alexis

Sep 24, 2009 at 10:54 AM
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alexisgc33 wrote:
Hey guys.. Sorry if this has been already answered. But I'm very interested in the new High Output BD. What F-stop can you push @ ISO 100 w/ 640ws at full power? With the sock & w/o the sock at 10feet?

Paul... any word on the new high out put reflectors? What F-stop will those likely push @ 640ws? How will they compare to the regular reflectors & long throws F-stop wise?

thanks,

-Alexis


I get f22'4 at 10' ISO at 640WS at ten feet from the raw 22" dish, with 45° coverage, then broad feathering typical of a shallow reflector. The sock drops it 1 1/2f but widens it out to about 150°. I'm trying to get some beam and output pix up, but I keep having to repaint my grey wall to get it even. Then found the problem was a stud sticking out and causing a less than flat surface . . . frustrating!

I'm remaking the 11" long through for the forth time. Also prototyping a 15" long throw. This should be extremely hot. My comparison is Elinchrom 16" 29° on RX 600. It really sucks - dead center and you see the flashtube projected on the wall. Our standard 11R beats it on axis - the Eli projects a bright ring around a dead center. The 8 1/2" is working well at about f22'4. I could get more by making it shallower, but then you get a lot of spill.

When you do the vectors you quickly find deep reflectors must also be big diameter or you just compromise the parabola and don't get as much output as a shallow version.

The winner every time is the Silver PLM because 100% of the light is focused. I'm getting f22'8 or so with 320WS - 10' with slightly reshaped proto, and very even coverage and sharp cutoff. Current shipping PLMs are close to this when critically focused. Working with a more reliable vendor to improve every aspect of PLM series, including 7mm short shafts. but not apologizing for the current version. This stuff is an art and I am human learning to refine the art.


Sep 24, 2009 at 05:20 PM
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Paul Buff wrote:
alexisgc33 wrote:
Hey guys.. Sorry if this has been already answered. But I'm very interested in the new High Output BD. What F-stop can you push @ ISO 100 w/ 640ws at full power? With the sock & w/o the sock at 10feet?

Paul... any word on the new high out put reflectors? What F-stop will those likely push @ 640ws? How will they compare to the regular reflectors & long throws F-stop wise?

thanks,

-Alexis


I get f22'4 at 10' ISO at 640WS at ten feet from the raw 22" dish, with 45° coverage, then broad feathering typical of a shallow reflector. The sock drops it 1 1/2f but widens it out to about 150°. I'm trying to get some beam and output pix up, but I keep having to repaint my grey wall to get it even. Then found the problem was a stud sticking out and causing a less than flat surface . . . frustrating!

I'm remaking the 11" long through for the forth time. Also prototyping a 15" long throw. This should be extremely hot. My comparison is Elinchrom 16" 29° on RX 600. It really sucks - dead center and you see the flashtube projected on the wall. Our standard 11R beats it on axis - the Eli projects a bright ring around a dead center. The 8 1/2" is working well at about f22'4. I could get more by making it shallower, but then you get a lot of spill.

When you do the vectors you quickly find deep reflectors must also be big diameter or you just compromise the parabola and don't get as much output as a shallow version.

The winner every time is the Silver PLM because 100% of the light is focused. I'm getting f22'8 or so with 320WS - 10' with slightly reshaped proto, and very even coverage and sharp cutoff. Current shipping PLMs are close to this when critically focused. Working with a more reliable vendor to improve every aspect of PLM series, including 7mm short shafts. but not apologizing for the current version. This stuff is an art and I am human learning to refine the art.


Thanks Paul...

What do you mean "from the raw 22" dish" is that without the direct-light blocker or with it on?? Is the 8 1/2" reflector near shipping at all?

I would love the PLM but unfortunately... I work a lot outdoors and the 86" PLM would be like a sail boat w/ any amount of wind. And around here, there ALWAYS wind (at least whenever I'm shooting). That's why I'm looking into the High output BD and looking into the high output reflectors.

Thanks!

-Alexis


Sep 24, 2009 at 10:04 PM
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The 8 1/2" reflector mold is being textured - should have new sample toward the end of next week, then about 20-30 days production and we'll be ready.

"Raw 22HOBD" means without blocker or diffuser. Output with blocker is essentially identical, but with a bit less spill. The sock drops the output and widens the beam. The 22HOBD would be a good alternative to the PLM outdoors, as will be the 11" long throw once I get it right. The king should be the 15" that is in prototyping now - about three weeks before I have answers.

I'm crossing my fingers that V21 of the Cyber Commander firmware may make it shippable in a week or so. We have 500 built and ready to update the firmware (easy to do via CC's Micro SD card.) Good progress on what was AB Max and big surprises . . . it will be re-branded Einstein 640 - because that's basically what it's become. We have prototyped my power supply and all the IGBT circuitry in house and it works fine. But it will still take about two months to bring it together.

A word about Cyber Commander and classic Buff lights . . probably not for the casual user as it takes specifying what classic Buff light is connected to each channel (via CSR+/CSRB+) and the wattage of each modeling lamps. It will not require any extensive setup once the next generation Buff lights are available - because they automatically communicate everything to CC. You have to consider CC is more like an iPhone or Palm than anything now on the photo market.

There I go again - pre-releasing info that I'll probably get jumped on for . . . I'm only human. Interviewed and panned four engineering candidates this week - it's like pulling teeth.

Sep 25, 2009 at 04:25 AM
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Will 8.5" replace the current 11R?


Sep 25, 2009 at 08:33 AM
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Paul Buff wrote:
I'm crossing my fingers that V21 of the Cyber Commander firmware may make it shippable in a week or so. We have 500 built and ready to update the firmware (easy to do via CC's Micro SD card.) Good progress on what was AB Max and big surprises . . . it will be re-branded Einstein 640 - because that's basically what it's become. We have prototyped my power supply and all the IGBT circuitry in house and it works fine. But it will still take about two months to bring it together.

A word about Cyber Commander and classic Buff lights . . probably not for the casual user as it takes specifying what classic Buff light is connected to each channel (via CSR+/CSRB+) and the wattage of each modeling lamps. It will not require any extensive setup once the next generation Buff lights are available - because they automatically communicate everything to CC. You have to consider CC is more like an iPhone or Palm than anything now on the photo market.


Thanks for the update. Looking forward to CC.


Sep 25, 2009 at 01:40 PM
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CreV wrote:
Will 8.5" replace the current 11R?

The 8 1/2" reflector will be more suitable for replacing or supplementing the current 7" reflector. It produces about 8/10f more output than the standard wide angle 7" reflector over about a 50° field (instead of 80°) and is very even and nicely feathered. The physics of studio flash demands a larger diameter reflector than this to produce really highly concentrated light without a lot of wasted energy and spill.

So the 8 1/2" should be a good smooth and efficient general purpose reflector. I'm getting about f22'5 at 10' with 320WS.

Sep 25, 2009 at 05:56 PM
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Paul Buff wrote:
I'm crossing my fingers that V21 of the Cyber Commander firmware may make it shippable in a week or so. We have 500 built and ready to update the firmware (easy to do via CC's Micro SD card.) Good progress on what was AB Max and big surprises . . . it will be re-branded Einstein 640 - because that's basically what it's become. We have prototyped my power supply and all the IGBT circuitry in house and it works fine. But it will still take about two months to bring it together.

A word about Cyber Commander and classic Buff lights . . probably not for the casual user as it takes specifying what classic Buff light is connected to each channel (via CSR+/CSRB+) and the wattage of each modeling lamps. It will not require any extensive setup once the next generation Buff lights are available - because they automatically communicate everything to CC. You have to consider CC is more like an iPhone or Palm than anything now on the photo market.


Great news! My four flahses and four CSRB+ will arrive this Monday, and I only need to wait a little longer to get a CC and test the flashes on wireless instead of wire.

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Sep 25, 2009 at 06:19 PM
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Paul Buff wrote:
CreV wrote:
Will 8.5" replace the current 11R?

The 8 1/2" reflector will be more suitable for replacing or supplementing the current 7" reflector. It produces about 8/10f more output than the standard wide angle 7" reflector over about a 50° field (instead of 80°) and is very even and nicely feathered. The physics of studio flash demands a larger diameter reflector than this to produce really highly concentrated light without a lot of wasted energy and spill.

So the 8 1/2" should be a good smooth and efficient general purpose reflector. I'm getting about f22'5 at 10' with 320WS.


Paul, if you replace the 7" reflector... will there be new grids?? I hope they are not replaced...

Sep 25, 2009 at 06:51 PM
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We don't intend to replace the 7" reflectors. We have new grids in progress for the 8 1/2" and all other new reflectors.

Sep 25, 2009 at 06:56 PM
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Paul Buff wrote:
We don't intend to replace the 7" reflectors. We have new grids in progress for the 8 1/2" and all other new reflectors.


nice...

Sep 25, 2009 at 07:27 PM
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can we pre-order the CC now? just to ensure we get one?

Sep 25, 2009 at 07:33 PM
 



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Please check with customer service - not sure about our current order status.

Sep 25, 2009 at 09:07 PM
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Dear Paul

Paul Buff wrote:
A word about Cyber Commander and classic Buff lights . . probably not for the casual user as it takes specifying what classic Buff light is connected to each channel (via CSR+/CSRB+) and the wattage of each modeling lamps.


So, for example, we tell Cyber Commander that a strobe is an AlienBee B800 and the modeling lamp is 150 watts, and that's it?

What about that is over the casual user's head? I don't want to become a wireless trigger expert, but I'm definitely looking forward to being able to control flash power remotely.

I've had Cyber Commander on preorder since the first week you were accepting preorders. As I was writing this, UPS delivered my second CyberSync Plus battery-powered receiver, 86" white parabolic, and (I hope) a couple of fabrics.

Paul Buff wrote:
Good progress on what was AB Max and big surprises . . . it will be re-branded Einstein 640 - because that's basically what it's become. We have prototyped my power supply and all the IGBT circuitry in house and it works fine. But it will still take about two months to bring it together.


That's great news (aside from the name change, as my son's name is Max), but I just bought two X1600s from you and I'm really loving these things so far. I don't anticipate taking advantage of your offer to those of us who preordered MAX. I think I'll keep the X1600s and may buy one or two of your newer lights next year.

I'm very, very impressed with the Vagabond. I pounded the daylights out of its power delivery yesterday and it never hiccuped even once. The teeny CyberSync transmitter has been unobtrusive and perfectly reliable for me so far.

Thanks for the update!

--Jaddie

Sep 25, 2009 at 09:52 PM
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Jaddie,

Pretty observant and correct. Here's a short overview of how Cyber Commander is set up and used:

In order for CC to do what it does, it must know everything about the lights it is controlling. Classic Buff lights don't have the ability to spit out their DNA so the user has to help a little. CC has an internal database of every parameter of every light we have made since 1986, including it's flash duration and color temperature at every power setting, etc.

Setup works like this: A menu item called "Find Studio" polls every CyberSync receiver that is set to the chosen frequency. This is essentially instantaneous. If the light on a particular channel is a next generation Buff light, nothing more needs to be done because the light itself returns all parameters to the CC.

But when it sees a CSR+ or CSRB+ it has to ask the user "what is connected to this Channel." A logical menu asks "Is it an AlienBees, White lightning, Zeus or something else (such as an another brand, Speedlight or other light that can be fired and metered and grouped, but not otherwise controlled.)

If, for instance, you press AlienBees, you get a menu that lists all possible ABs . . . B400, B800, B1600 or ABR800. When you select the appropriate model, the menu gives you a list of model lamp wattages - 40W. 60W. 75W, 100W. 150W or 250W. Select the lamp wattage instaled lamp and CC now knows everything about that channel. Nothing in this process is abbreviated or skipped, so the list includes every possible Buff light configuration, including such complexities as "Zeus 1250 with standard head set to 1/4 power by the ratio switch." The Zeus menu has 14 possible configurations, including Zeus 1250 or 2500, Bi Tube heads, etc. It's actually very easy to do this setup and it only takes a few seconds per channel.

There is a reason for this requirement. If you were to mix different lights with different modeling lamps and the CC didn't know the specifics of each light, you would be able to control the power of each lamp individually or together by bracketing, but you would not know the power of each light relative to each other lights or be able to maintain proportionality of modeling lamps to flashpower. You would also not know the power range of each light or it's flash duration or color temperature VS power setting.

Because of this process, you end up with a bargraph of all 16 potential lights that is lined up such that a 2500WS light adjusted to 640WS is on the same horizontal line as a 640WS light set at full power so you can see at a glance how much power each light is actually producing. If you select any one light you can read, on a digital display, every parameter and setting. You also see a bounding box for each light that tells you the range of power adjustment available. End stops are provided to keep you from changing the ratio between lights by trying to go outside any one light's capability.

If you want absolute WYSIWYG modeling, you can offset all the modeling lamps ,individually or collectively, in any fashion you want - such as 640WS of flashpower yields 150W modeling intensity for every light in the system. Once you do this, if the modeling lamps are set to be proportional to flashpower, that relationship will remain constant when adjusting or bracketing.

Im' not even going to get into the flashmeter and it capabilities here.

This can be difficult for the casual user to grasp, for when you mix a 2500WS Zeus with a 250W lamp with a 160WS B400, and set the ratio to 2500WS = 250W modeling, you can never gat more than 16W modeling out of the B400. This is not a flaw . . . it's the reality of what the exposure is going to look like.

Additional Programming: Beyond the basic setup, In addition to specifying what light is on what channel, you can also "Name" each light from a list of names the includes name such as "Left Main", "Center Hairlight", Center Fill", AUX2, etc. This way you don't have to remember what number is what light - you are told where each light is in the setup. You can also individually or collective direct all modeling lamps to be proportional to flash power, to be Separately Adjustable, Full, or Off plus a host of other parameters, particularly with regard to the next generation Buff lights.

All setup information is stored in non volatile memory and infinite setups can be saved to, and recalled from, the Micro SD card.

Where are we?
We have had 500 Cyber Commanders built and ready for about a month. We received and tested firmware Version 20 this week and have been testing it extensively. Everything works with the exception of two easily corrected small bugs. We are scheduled to receive V21 Tuesday and have high hopes that this version will correct all bugs and allow us to begin shipping.

Cyber Commander ships with a Micro SD card that stores all setups and also allows user updating of firmware, should further update be called for. This can be done via email or download of the firmware and performed from a Mac or PC with card reader in a few minutes.

I realize I am the target of a few slammers and and have always taken responsibility for the delays even when the they were out of my hands. But I believe that most who have been involved in the creation of a product of this technical complexity can sympathize with the delays. We could, of course, have shipped months ago with a bunch of software bugs, but then what would be said about my company and product?

Can you say MicroBuff!

Sep 26, 2009 at 04:28 AM
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Thanks for the cybersync info, Paul. Sounds really cool...and more interesting for studio setups than PW or RPs.
BTW, those who have done engineering/software projects understand surprises come up...it was mostly the surprise of what state the project was in when an estimated ship date was announced that was the issue IMHO.
Software developers notoriously miss dates (if you give estimates to managers for project plans, they're typically doubled to pad out the schedules enough) and hardware gets into prototype, sample, certification, manufacturing, stocking stages that can loop multiple times so actual release dates aren't valid until stocking begins or you're down to a handful of minor bugs...any other date is typically just a "goal date" that can slip (or you have to cut features that are too buggy so you can force a ship date)
Even when things are stocked, you can still have showstopper bugs that don't come up until the gear gets into the field and some customers start banging on it, then you have to shut everything down, redesign, etc. That hurts even more...


Sep 26, 2009 at 02:17 PM
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Good advice kenyee. I mistakenly released the ads way to soon based on promises i trusted. I'm not accustomed to to relying on outside engineering. The same people helped me with programming CyberSync very successfully and on schedule. They really got sidetracked by a poor switching power supply engineer on their staff and the ball got rolling sideways instead of forward. My bad.

Sep 26, 2009 at 07:22 PM
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The original cybersync is *far* simpler than the commander from what you've described, so I can't say I'm too surprised the schedule slipped; it's just something that happens sometimes w/ software (harder to predict as complexity increases). With the bad switching power supply issue, if there were enough resources (typically no in a small company), running a backup plan (the older analog supply) in the background would have been slightly safer.
This is all hindsight stuff and something to learn from for future projects...doesn't help the current project. Glad you're making good progress on the CC and Einstein/abmax


Sep 27, 2009 at 03:31 PM
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The original CyberSync is not as simple as it appears. It was designed and coded to allow all the high level function provided by Cyber Commander and future communication interfaces. The whole system is both look-forward and look-backwards and has been since it's conception. Not an easy task, but one I feel quite worth the effort and, yes, the delays.

Sep 28, 2009 at 06:03 PM
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I m very interested in some sample images from this modifier.

Sep 28, 2009 at 09:49 PM
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Bump, yea some sample pictures would be awesome!!!

I'm super interested in this BD

Sep 30, 2009 at 12:48 AM
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any more samples?

Oct 06, 2009 at 05:34 AM
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I told myself I'd buy one if the CC ever comes out. If not, I'm buying some RP Jrs and a Mantti :-)

Oct 06, 2009 at 05:53 AM
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We expect to ship a few Cyber Commanders next week to advanced users on pre order list. USA only to start. Look on our website toward the end of this week for complete manual and other info.

Oct 06, 2009 at 07:38 AM




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